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[mathsparks]

Hi 3boys,

like you said, if this has turned into a bashing session from post#3, there should be a basher, right? Only in this case, the bashee becomes the basher.

When I said I’ve personally heard it, it refers to I’ve heard either thru 2nd or 3rd person else I would say I’ve personally witnessed it.

I’m in my 40s and over the years, I can assure you that I’ve heard of such incidents. You’ve not encountered such doesnt mean that I’m cooking something up. Of course, if you ask me to provide a name, I would’ve forgotten liao.

This is a public forum, and everyone is encouraged to share their opinions and experiences responsibly and I also respect the rights of everyone to practise /choose their own religion without interference or coercion; I’m only sharing. However, if my sharing is deemed inappropriate or offensive, I’ll gladly remove it.

Another thing that annoys me no end is that if you stay in a public flat, you’ll receive endless visits from people trying to convert you even if you’re a buddhist with an altar in your house. I find that totally disrespectful. This I guarantee you is from first hand experience of my parents from their years living in Bt Batok and now Jurong West. I’m only grateful that I dont encounter such visits where I am, otherwise, I’ll be the basher.


Totally OT!

[raynreg]

3Boys:

I have known and seen many dying elderly by their bedsides, both personally and as part of my previous work, and have yet to hear or see of a single suggestion of a forced bedside baptism.

There can't be forced baptism per se but when you are frail and dying and if there is someone who can offer a glimpse of hope wouldn't anyone just accept?

[tree nymph]

3Boys:

Frankly,
I'd appreciate if there were a comment meant to be directed my way, that it be so, rather than via innuendo.

I was not bashing, merely pointing out the imprecision of certain suppositions. tree nymph herself admitted the possibility of inaccuracy/embellishment. Do we not owe it to ourselves, when discussing topics of such a sensitive nature, to be sure of our facts and not merely pile in with 'he-said, i-said' hearsay?

mathsparks, case in point. Did you see the above happen as you describe it or was it 2nd-3rd hand information? You say 'their bedside', how many dying elderly do you personally know of that have been baptised against their will? As fact rather than hearsay? I have known and seen many dying elderly by their bedsides, both personally and as part of my previous work, and have yet to hear or see of a single suggestion of a forced bedside baptism.

3Boys,
My English may not be as good as yours, but i said that it was a TYPO mistake. I DID NOT ADMIT \"THE POSSIBILITY OF INACCURACY/EMBELLISHMENT.\" I KNEW THIS CASE AS A FACT. YES A FACT. THE OLD MAN WAS BAPTISED TWO DAYS BEFORE HE PASSED ON. THE PASTOR TOOK THE INSTRUCTIONS OF HIS SONS - HIS SONS LIED TO THEIR PASTOR THAT IT WAS THE OLD MAN'S LAST WISH. THE SONS ALSO PROMISED A DONATION.

You may not have heard or seen a single suggestion of a forced bedside baptism - that DOES NOT MEAN THAT THESE THINGS DO NOT HAPPEN. Do you know what happen at their home? Maybe you have not seen enough. I bet you also have not seen a living dinasaur, does it mean that they don't exist?

[tree nymph]

mathsparks:

Hi 3boys,

like you said, if this has turned into a bashing session from post#3, there should be a basher, right? Only in this case, the bashee becomes the basher.

When I said I've personally heard it, it refers to I've heard either thru 2nd or 3rd person else I would say I've personally witnessed it.

I'm in my 40s and over the years, I can assure you that I've heard of such incidents. You've not encountered such doesnt mean that I'm cooking something up. Of course, if you ask me to provide a name, I would've forgotten liao.

This is a public forum, and everyone is encouraged to share their opinions and experiences responsibly and I also respect the rights of everyone to practise /choose their own religion without interference or coercion; I'm only sharing. However, if my sharing is deemed inappropriate or offensive, I'll gladly remove it.

Another thing that annoys me no end is that if you stay in a public flat, you'll receive endless visits from people trying to convert you even if you're a buddhist with an altar in your house. I find that totally disrespectful. This I guarantee you is from first hand experience of my parents from their years living in Bt Batok and now Jurong West. I'm only grateful that I dont encounter such visits where I am, otherwise, I'll be the basher.


Totally OT!

:offtopic:

But I must say :goodpost:

[Orchid_SG2010]

tree nymph:

[ I bet you also have not seen a living dinasaur, does it mean that they don't exist?

interesting...
Did dinasaur exist?

[Orchid_SG2010]

tree nymph:

3Boys,
My English may not be as good as yours, but i said that it was a TYPO mistake. I DID NOT ADMIT \"THE POSSIBILITY OF INACCURACY/EMBELLISHMENT.\" I KNEW THIS CASE AS A FACT. YES A FACT. THE OLD MAN WAS BAPTISED TWO DAYS BEFORE HE PASSED ON. THE PASTOR TOOK THE INSTRUCTIONS OF HIS SONS - HIS SONS LIED TO THEIR PASTOR THAT IT WAS THE OLD MAN'S LAST WISH. THE SONS ALSO PROMISED A DONATION.

You may not have heard or seen a single suggestion of a forced bedside baptism - that DOES NOT MEAN THAT THESE THINGS DO NOT HAPPEN. Do you know what happen at their home? Maybe you have not seen enough. I bet you also have not seen a living dinasaur, does it mean that they don't exist?

3Boys:

Frankly,
I'd appreciate if there were a comment meant to be directed my way, that it be so, rather than via innuendo.

tree nymth,
i think you are very good at Empire Building.
If someone is good at Empire Building both at workplace and at cyberspace, he/she will tend to involve his/her buddy to side him/her whenver he/she wants.

Cut through your tone, i think all forumers are correct in their sharing thoughts.
But i think keep on using capital letters make people feel you are not respecting others no matter how assertive you think you are...

In the real life, are you always so intimidating ? what makes you so aggressive to display a fact? because you have a handful of GM (grandmaster) buddies in KSP? if you were a newbie, would you have a gut to impose your thoughts in such a bully way?/shouting at others?

[Orchid_SG2010]

3Boys:

mathsparks:

[quote=\"tree nymph\"]Mathsparks,

just to share.

My best friend, who is a very staunch christian, hold joss sticks and pay her respects and follow through the Buddhist way when her beloved grandma passed away. She told me that her grandma is the one who brought her up and cared for her a lot. However, she respected her grandma, so she respected her wish to be sent off the Buddhist way and she respects that and also follow through the rituals as her respect to her late grandma. She earns my respect!

a distant relative - old cousin granduncle kind, he is a Buddhist. His sons are Christians. But the old man's nephews are not. So before he passed away, he bought his own place in the temple, arranged for his nephew to hold his urn, make all the arrangement for his funeral to be carried out the Buddhist way. The moment he passed away, his sons, didn't inform their cousins, and baptized the father and held a Christian Funeral...

Thanks for sharing, treenymph. I've personally heard of ailing, dying elderly being baptised at their death bed and I suspect they're too frail to resist.

:hugs: Just ignore the basher.

Frankly,
I'd appreciate if there were a comment meant to be directed my way, that it be so, rather than via innuendo.

I was not bashing, merely pointing out the imprecision of certain suppositions. tree nymph herself admitted the possibility of inaccuracy/embellishment. Do we not owe it to ourselves, when discussing topics of such a sensitive nature, to be sure of our facts and not merely pile in with 'he-said, i-said' hearsay?

mathsparks, case in point. Did you see the above happen as you describe it or was it 2nd-3rd hand information? You say 'their bedside', how many dying elderly do you personally know of that have been baptised against their will? As fact rather than hearsay? I have known and seen many dying elderly by their bedsides, both personally and as part of my previous work, and have yet to hear or see of a single suggestion of a forced bedside baptism.[/quote]3boys,
mthspark is innocent.....

[tree nymph]

Orchid_SG2010:

if you were a newbie, would you have a gut to impose your thoughts in such a bully way?/shouting at others?

YES, I WILL.

[tree nymph]

tree nymph:

Orchid_SG2010:

if you were a newbie, would you have a gut to impose your thoughts in such a bully way?/shouting at others?

YES, I WILL.

Orchid_SG2010,
Is my reply bold and big enough?

Since you have failed to see the big picture and insulting me here, I will cease to reply to your posts from now on, cos it is starting to spoil my otherwise great weekend.

[Nebbermind]

insider:

tree nymph:

cos it is starting to spoil my otherwise great weekend.

Aiyo, don't get upset by a newbie with errr....six posts so far? If he/she staying here long enough, he/she may get to know us more and learn how to post 'more intelligently'...

Have a great weekend!

this is very uncalled for...everyone starts somewhere....