MerlionInGermany\" post_id=\"1929405\" time=\"1565942736\" user_id=\"2964:

zac's mum\" post_id=\"1928453\" time=\"1565693085\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=1928453 time=1565693085 user_id=53606]Floppy, your child’s school got say who is top 25% ah? I thought MOE has removed inter-class and intra-class rankings? Even Edusave awards also not academic-based any more. So how would parents know if child is top whatever percent?

I think, but I am not very certain, that if you are in the top 25%, you will still get the cert from MOE to inform you that you are in the top 25%. This is to allow you to apply for EMB if you qualify for the income criterion. Cos EMB is for “top 25% + good conduct + income”. The change is for p1 and p2 because no exams or something like that, so the criteria for EMB for p1 and p2 is “some qualities + income”.

The existing ESA for p5 and p6 ESA (top10%) still remains also, I think.

Our school said they removed the top xx % awards because MOE is (still) giving it out, so no need for the kid to be told twice (by moe and by school).

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zac's mum\" post_id=\"1928453\" time=\"1565693085\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=1928453 time=1565693085 user_id=53606]
Floppy, your child’s school got say who is top 25% ah? I thought MOE has removed inter-class and intra-class rankings? Even Edusave awards also not academic-based any more. So how would parents know if child is top whatever percent?
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luvmum\" post_id=\"227040\" time=\"1280372915\" user_id=\"688:

I tend to agree that by placing your child to the better school, it's the learning environment, better morale of the teachers (cos better school also comprise of better students) and yes the peers ard who will be very encouraged to learn whether by themselves or from their parents that give you that extra push. The desire to excel is far more compared to neighbourhood school. Becos of that, parents have been vying for popular schools through varying extent, talking abt myself too.

I trust that all teachers are sufficiently trained to teach but certainly like any one of the working group, our morale and passion will be killed off if we are faced with tough environment (children playing truant, scold teachers, no homework done, enormous complaint from teachers etc etc)

Yes, agreed wholesomely that you can also be the sunshine in neighbourhood school but really how many can shine when most of your friends are either not bothered or not interested in studies. The influence of your own friends is too great to be ignored.

Though I was also from neighbourhood school and was in the top 3 since Pr 4, but really when I entered a better secondary school, I find it a total misfit and struggle for me as what I tot as best is probably below avg when you get into better school.

And yes, when I grow up now and having to enrol my own children, I lament on why my mum didn't try harder to send me to FMPS when all my sisters were there. At least, I also help to pave out the future route for my children next time when they enrol their own children by putting her on a better school, provided the system still remains unchanged.

That's life.... :heresmyfish:

Daddy D\" post_id=\"227023\" time=\"1280372025\" user_id=\"7159:[quote=\"Daddy D\" post_id=227023 time=1280372025 user_id=7159]
Good Sch = Good Results? = Good Future Prospects? = Elitism? = Widening Class Divide?

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floppy\" post_id=\"1928425\" time=\"1565686916\" user_id=\"97579:

zac's mum\" post_id=\"1928422\" time=\"1565686403\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=1928422 time=1565686403 user_id=53606]...None of which means anything if your particular child decides to be one of the outliers

It's purely from a probability / statistics perspective

Generally speaking, if your kid is consistently performing in top 25% of the 'good' and 'exceptional' school, you know roughly where he/she stands. On the other hand, being in the top 25% of a 'regular' school may not have as much meaning to it.[/quote]

zac's mum\" post_id=\"1928422\" time=\"1565686403\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=1928422 time=1565686403 user_id=53606]
...None of which means anything if your particular child decides to be one of the outliers [/quote]

Imp75\" post_id=\"1928135\" time=\"1565579657\" user_id=\"2358:

I think a good primary sch has a higher probability of producing more top scorers than a regular pri sch so placing kids in these schools perhaps can give parents more assurance that the sch has something to offer that can value add to the kids. Speaking from example, my gals came from regular kindergarten, no tuition (maybe only CL) but did well enough to qualify to sch of their choice. I attribute this largely to the pri sch they were in.

MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"1927922\" time=\"1565446076\" user_id=\"43981:

Dont think so..a better primary sch esp with affiliated sec sch will be good.. kids unlucky in balloting with have the psle to go to a better secondary school.. after secondary school the more dependent on results to go further in their education journey..but when come out to work, after few years, need to depend on many other factors le..

floppy\" post_id=\"1927860\" time=\"1565426392\" user_id=\"97579:

On the other hand, a rising tide lifts all boats.

Hendon\" post_id=\"1927853\" time=\"1565424370\" user_id=\"142376:

10 years since the last post in this thread.

I felt a burning need to seek out if someone had already asked these questions and found this thread.

1 of my kids classmates ‘kid X’ didn’t ballot successfully into the best neighbourhood school ‘school A’ in the area at 2C. The kid is now faced with two options for schools in the area at 2CS, ‘school B’ or ‘school C’. The kids form a class in one of the top preschools in the area. Some of the other kids ‘kids Y, Z etc’ in the class have gotten into school A.

All three schools A, B and C are co-ed. In fact all the schools in the area are co-ed with no affiliation or govt-aided. Schools A, B and C were also started at the same time when the HDB estate was built.

In the current system in 2019, pri principals are rotated every 6 years or less. Every child has the opportunity to be tested for GEP. All 3 schools have the same cookie cutter facilities and probably the same limited CCAs found in neighbourhood schools.

From P1-3, does it really matter if Kid X didn’t get into school A, and kid Y and Z did? Assuming all 3 kids didn’t qualify for GEP, these kids at P4-6 should be given the same access to resources officially.

School A registered 50% of its P1 intake at Phase 1.
School B and C had about 48% of its intake registered at Phase 1. All 3 schools had close to 0 registrations at 2A1 - so alumni participation is not a factor.

Within 1km of school A, 60% of the housing is HDB, 40% condos and landed housing. Within 1km of School B and C, 90% HDB, 10% condo and landed.

Why is school A so attractive during every P1 registration? It is a perception that School A is the top school in this HDB heartland.

I have seen school A, and the students do generally look smarter than those in school B and C over the years.

I generally believe motivated parents matter more than the school. In popular schools, there is a crowding of motivated parents. So it shouldn’t matter that kid X couldn’t get into school A if the parents would be as motivated as they would have been if kid X did successfully get into school A.

Hendon\" post_id=\"1927853\" time=\"1565424370\" user_id=\"142376:

10 years since the last post in this thread.

I felt a burning need to seek out if someone had already asked these questions and found this thread.

1 of my kids classmates ‘kid X’ didn’t ballot successfully into the best neighbourhood school ‘school A’ in the area at 2C. The kid is now faced with two options for schools in the area at 2CS, ‘school B’ or ‘school C’. The kids form a class in one of the top preschools in the area. Some of the other kids ‘kids Y, Z etc’ in the class have gotten into school A.

All three schools A, B and C are co-ed. In fact all the schools in the area are co-ed with no affiliation or govt-aided. Schools A, B and C were also started at the same time when the HDB estate was built.

In the current system in 2019, pri principals are rotated every 6 years or less. Every child has the opportunity to be tested for GEP. All 3 schools have the same cookie cutter facilities and probably the same limited CCAs found in neighbourhood schools.

From P1-3, does it really matter if Kid X didn’t get into school A, and kid Y and Z did? Assuming all 3 kids didn’t qualify for GEP, these kids at P4-6 should be given the same access to resources officially.

School A registered 50% of its P1 intake at Phase 1.
School B and C had about 48% of its intake registered at Phase 1. All 3 schools had close to 0 registrations at 2A1 - so alumni participation is not a factor.

Within 1km of school A, 60% of the housing is HDB, 40% condos and landed housing. Within 1km of School B and C, 90% HDB, 10% condo and landed.

Why is school A so attractive during every P1 registration? It is a perception that School A is the top school in this HDB heartland.

I have seen school A, and the students do generally look smarter than those in school B and C over the years.

I generally believe motivated parents matter more than the school. In popular schools, there is a crowding of motivated parents. So it shouldn’t matter that kid X couldn’t get into school A if the parents would be as motivated as they would have been if kid X did successfully get into school A.

ChiefKiasu:

Why not think out of the box? Send our kids to the more ordinary school, help them to excel there and get their names permanently on the school plaques in the school's hall, challenge them to bring pride and glory to the school by doing better than kids in the supposedly better schools, and be seen as the ones that really made the difference in the schools. Our kids can then be the pioneers that brought their schools to the top. Imagine the pride that THEIR children will have when they become students of those schools. Just imagine.


It is our children that made the schools, and not the other way around. A good school is one with educators that can inspire our children to challenge their limits, and not one that is completely focused on getting their charges to score all As for academic exams.

Our children's path are to be charted and walked by themselves, not by us, and definitely not by the school of choice. Teach our kids to want to chart their own paths to their dreams using their own natural born skills and talents. Life does not end just because they did not get into that \"good school\" that we wanted so much to get them into.

jedamum:

Primary schools have little influence if the parents have big influence.

Primary schools have big influence if the parents have little influence.
Secondary schools have big influence, but is influence by the academic results of Primary Schools Leaving Examinations.

jedamum:

Being a sch representative is not mainly about getting the 'name' of being representatives...

csc:

Primary schools have very little influence as compared with secondary schools. :lol: