Do most parents end up doing projects for their kids?

Reply to Do most parents end up doing projects for their kids? on Tue, 17 Aug 2010 15:45:52 GMT

hoskins8h — Tue, 17 Aug 2010 15:45:52 GMT

daisyt:
cindylauper posted in this section (Sec/IP), so let me address my views in par with Sec/IP.

Project work is very time consuming but I personally feel that there are many skills our kids are picking up through project work. In fact, for kids who start at lower primary, is a good foundation for them. Anyway, at lower primary, its more of the learning process that counts.

Project work makes my dd understand many things

1) Good friends not necessary mean good working partners (I told her, in working life, friends cannot be colleagues, its the same concept)

2) Adapt and adjust each other's working attitude to ensure work is done, cannot expect everyone to have the same kind of attitude as you.

3) A good leader plays a very important part on timely completeness and proper workload allocation

4) Everyone is strong in certain areas, so make use of other's strong points

When the time is there, they naturally would be forced to learn and pick up the required skill eg. using the software, finding resources, seeking advices around them.

There are times, when the projects are not good enough, they have to re-do.

Don't forget, for those taking A level, project work is a compulsory subject. For those taking diploma, there are project works too. When we are in the workforce, we have to deal with big and small projects too.

Without O levels, IP students can side-track to project work and not worry about exam style learning till the A levels. Project work is useful as it teaches the student to deal with people and uncertainty. Some of it may be unpleasant (e.g. dealing with team-mates who critisize and dont work, or those who want to have things done their way). It's preparation for adulthood. My discussions with my child is normally on the soft learning; I dont really care much about content.

Reply to Do most parents end up doing projects for their kids? on Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:57:23 GMT

daisyt — Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:57:23 GMT

cindylauper posted in this section (Sec/IP), so let me address my views in par with Sec/IP.

Project work is very time consuming but I personally feel that there are many skills our kids are picking up through project work. In fact, for kids who start at lower primary, is a good foundation for them. Anyway, at lower primary, its more of the learning process that counts.

Project work makes my dd understand many things

1) Good friends not necessary mean good working partners (I told her, in working life, friends cannot be colleagues, its the same concept)

2) Adapt and adjust each other’s working attitude to ensure work is done, cannot expect everyone to have the same kind of attitude as you.

3) A good leader plays a very important part on timely completeness and proper workload allocation

4) Everyone is strong in certain areas, so make use of other’s strong points

When the time is there, they naturally would be forced to learn and pick up the required skill eg. using the software, finding resources, seeking advices around them.

There are times, when the projects are not good enough, they have to re-do.

Don’t forget, for those taking A level, project work is a compulsory subject. For those taking diploma, there are project works too. When we are in the workforce, we have to deal with big and small projects too.

Reply to Do most parents end up doing projects for their kids? on Tue, 17 Aug 2010 07:32:29 GMT

TwaTau — Tue, 17 Aug 2010 07:32:29 GMT

Parent: :x :stupid: :rant:

Teacher: :dancing: :cheeky: :celebrate:

Reply to Do most parents end up doing projects for their kids? on Tue, 17 Aug 2010 05:30:00 GMT

kuzco — Tue, 17 Aug 2010 05:30:00 GMT

Seems like another one of those \"Teach Less, Learn More\" thingy, where the teachers teach less, but the children learn more from their parents' commitment to help out with the assignment....??!

Reply to Do most parents end up doing projects for their kids? on Tue, 17 Aug 2010 05:00:56 GMT

TwaTau — Tue, 17 Aug 2010 05:00:56 GMT

vlim:

huh...p2 doing powerpoint presentation and in Chinese somemore.. :faint:

That why they got us parent to signed our \"commitment\" in the circular to help out with the assignment. It is kind of a show and tell, new curriculum MOE is trying to promote. I help out in adding sound and animation, since the kids really enjoy those things. After that, DD practice the presentation to us and I can see her enjoying it, so that is the good part. :love:

Reply to Do most parents end up doing projects for their kids? on Tue, 17 Aug 2010 03:29:04 GMT

Zann — Tue, 17 Aug 2010 03:29:04 GMT

I insist my P4 ds does his project himself, be it typing or powerpoint. I support by keeping track of the project submission timeline and remind him. I brought him to buy project material. He and his project mate discuss over msn,… Look, his Science project did not turn up well, the egg did not cook… just hope the system allow them time to learn more and not through punishment of score. I was told while they are young, it is better to let them get hands-on. then they can achieve independent learning when they go to sec school. Learning is a life long matter, we can learn for them or inject knowledge into them.

Reply to Do most parents end up doing projects for their kids? on Tue, 17 Aug 2010 03:21:26 GMT

vlim — Tue, 17 Aug 2010 03:21:26 GMT

TwaTau:
sleepy:
My dd's show n tell in school. We received circular from school specifically asking parents to assist in handmaking the object needed for show n tell :rotflmao:

Same thing for my P2 DD. We were given a circular to sign and return and specifically say the parents should support the child in preparing a powerpoint presentation in Chinese. The school does provide some training on powerpoint. I just help her out with setting up the first slide and the rest was mainly on her own. It is a simple project if you are familiar with powerpoint, but was wondering those parent who are not or even don't have the software. Check with my DD, and she say you can do it in school, but got time meh? :roll:

huh...p2 doing powerpoint presentation and in Chinese somemore.. :faint:

Reply to Do most parents end up doing projects for their kids? on Tue, 17 Aug 2010 03:15:57 GMT

daisyt — Tue, 17 Aug 2010 03:15:57 GMT

cindylauper:
Hi, I have a daughter in secondary one in a girls' school. I find that the school expect unrealistic standards of students when giving project assignments to do at home.

As my daughter is unable to cope on her own, I end up doing most of the work in the project assignments. After obtaining feedback from my daughter on the rest of her classmates, I realise that most of the classmates' parents were also doing the work for them. This is crazy! Any one has similar experience as me?

:?

Hi cindylauper, how unrealistic? Usually what type?

I only help a little in the beginning of Sec 1 for history in searching for information on internet. After that, never, the most we are doing now is give her advise when she has some questions or lack of of ideas. My dd has a lot of projects and even non graded, she and her team would work till very late.

Reply to Do most parents end up doing projects for their kids? on Tue, 17 Aug 2010 01:46:08 GMT

mickeyhmh — Tue, 17 Aug 2010 01:46:08 GMT

I did not help my P2 DS with his show & tell except to listen to him practise, help in some spelling/grammar, print out the pix reqd (he is hopeless in drawing, like his mom! ). I insist that he does the 1st draft by himself, at least the idea is coming from him. I also HELP by NAGGING him to prepare earlier. :roll:

I think this is a good training for 'things to come'. Mistakes now at P2, teachers are more lenient. Mistakes later on........ He'll need to be independent as he goes up the education ladder.

Reply to Do most parents end up doing projects for their kids? on Tue, 17 Aug 2010 01:27:45 GMT

hquek — Tue, 17 Aug 2010 01:27:45 GMT

This really is hard to answer and I'm not at that stage yet. I know of someone who helps in her kid's projects becos those are graded and count towards total score. I don't quite agree with her method but I'm not sure if push comes to shove I would do the same.

Reply to Do most parents end up doing projects for their kids? on Tue, 17 Aug 2010 01:23:44 GMT

TwaTau — Tue, 17 Aug 2010 01:23:44 GMT

sleepy:
My dd's show n tell in school. We received circular from school specifically asking parents to assist in handmaking the object needed for show n tell :rotflmao:

Same thing for my P2 DD. We were given a circular to sign and return and specifically say the parents should support the child in preparing a powerpoint presentation in Chinese. The school does provide some training on powerpoint. I just help her out with setting up the first slide and the rest was mainly on her own. It is a simple project if you are familiar with powerpoint, but was wondering those parent who are not or even don't have the software. Check with my DD, and she say you can do it in school, but got time meh? :roll:

Reply to Do most parents end up doing projects for their kids? on Tue, 17 Aug 2010 01:10:52 GMT

sleepy — Tue, 17 Aug 2010 01:10:52 GMT

My dd's show n tell in school. We received circular from school specifically asking parents to assist in handmaking the object needed for show n tell :rotflmao:

Reply to Do most parents end up doing projects for their kids? on Tue, 17 Aug 2010 01:10:43 GMT

kuzco — Tue, 17 Aug 2010 01:10:43 GMT

I too help to proof-reading (DS is very careless) and help to discuss and give constructive ideas. Other than that, it's all up to him.

However last night, DS was furiously typing away at 10 pm last night for his project due today. :faint: He had to paste his work on a cardboard as a poster.

Since he is now in sec 1, I have resisted helping in his work as he has to learn to work independently. However, last night was the last straw. From the looks of it, if I had not given him a helping hand, he would have been up the whole night and this morning completing it. In the end, I had to help him cut and paste his work on the poster. Both of us were up until 12.30 am this morning when we finally went to bed at almost 1 am.

Told DS never to dilly dally and wait till the last minute to complete his work again. :x

Reply to Do most parents end up doing projects for their kids? on Tue, 17 Aug 2010 00:58:44 GMT

hoskins8h — Tue, 17 Aug 2010 00:58:44 GMT

I dont do their project but might help in pointing the way (e.g. "go try internet keywords) and proof reading. Sometimes comment on the report, eg "abstract is too long". Also discuss ideas. But they have to write their own work.

Reply to Do most parents end up doing projects for their kids? on Tue, 17 Aug 2010 00:44:44 GMT

mummyjoyce — Tue, 17 Aug 2010 00:44:44 GMT

I dont do her project work but I do stuffs like typing (after she wrote the article in paper), formatting, ppt etc etc for her. I insist that she provide the content which is the key to the project and I assist her in the no brainer stuffs.

I realise that her friends wasted loads of time in typing, making the ppt looks good etc.
DO NOT let them signon to Facebook/MSN when doing project work -they will spend more time "complaining" via online with their friends then do ing the actual work.

Reply to Do most parents end up doing projects for their kids? on Tue, 17 Aug 2010 00:20:02 GMT

jtoh — Tue, 17 Aug 2010 00:20:02 GMT

I do not help my children with their projects at all. Not even when they were in primary school. My view is that they need to do these projects on their own to learn the requisite skills. How can we expect them to build up research, writing and presentation skills if they don’t do the projects themselves. So they may not score highly, but they learn and improve. A child has to learn to be proud of their own product. What’s the point in being proud of a high-scoring project done by your mother?

cindylauper - is your dd in SCGS?

Reply to Do most parents end up doing projects for their kids? on Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:25:17 GMT

keroppi — Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:25:17 GMT

For me, I don’t.

I always tell my children that my school days are over, they’ll need to deal with whatever that comes their way. Anyway, deadlines are negotiable and most teachers are approachable.

At Sec school level, your kid should be pretty independent by now - most would have garnered some project management experience while in primary school.

I only know that in Pri school, it is common for projects handed in to be done by parents. Wonder how the kid can take pride in a piece of work that they didn’t do themselves.

Reply to Do most parents end up doing projects for their kids? on Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:12:13 GMT

MdmKS — Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:12:13 GMT

ksi:
Honestly, the more the parents do...the harder the projects will get and become more and more unrealistic....because the teachers think the kids can cut it......

Are the parents going to work in their kids' future companies? :rotflmao:

At primary, there are also parents doing for their kids.

At many a time, those whose projects done by parents score high marks, even full mark. A friend happily told me his dd Science project done by him and score full mark.

School should ask the kids to stay back in school and do their project. Then some kiasuparents will not be doing project for the kids.

Reply to Do most parents end up doing projects for their kids? on Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:32:30 GMT

corneyAmber — Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:32:30 GMT

Honestly, the more the parents do...the harder the projects will get and become more and more unrealistic....because the teachers think the kids can cut it......

Are the parents going to work in their kids' future companies? :rotflmao:

At primary, there are also parents doing for their kids.

Reply to Do most parents end up doing projects for their kids? on Mon, 16 Aug 2010 14:59:47 GMT

wonderm — Mon, 16 Aug 2010 14:59:47 GMT

cindylauper:
Hi, I have a daughter in secondary one in a girls' school. I find that the school expect unrealistic standards of students when giving project assignments to do at home.

As my daughter is unable to cope on her own, I end up doing most of the work in the project assignments. After obtaining feedback from my daughter on the rest of her classmates, I realise that most of the classmates' parents were also doing the work for them. This is crazy! Any one has similar experience as me?

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Surprised to hear that. The projects are for which subject? Surely not for all subjects? Are these group or individual projects? If you don't help her, just let her and her teammates do the best they can, at the most the project standard would not be as high, any problem with that?