Class 95 FM DJs-against students bowing to teacher/principal

Reply to Class 95 FM DJs-against students bowing to teacher/principal on Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:48:07 GMT

janet88 — Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:48:07 GMT

kingster:
but i believe in our current schools, the teachers does not really return the respect from the children's bow by bowing back right? not like how japanese greet each other

If students bow to their teachers or principal, the least the latter can do is acknowledge with a smile. This is respect and acknowledgement.

Young kids now have to know what discipline is...or else when they grow older and their peers bcome an impt part of their lives, all hell breaks loose. With both parents working now and no one at home to supervise the kids, it's easy to be led astray.

Reply to Class 95 FM DJs-against students bowing to teacher/principal on Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:36:37 GMT

vlim — Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:36:37 GMT

DJ Glenn is on leave for this whole week, so this morning DJ Dutchman and the woman dj(forgotten her name) were asking the public for suggestions as of how to reduce sound pollution from the road/traffic. Then someone sms them and said to refrain Ah Beng from using certain roads as their ah beng's car very noisy. So dj dutcheman said..' oh no no no...then Glenn would not able to drive to most of the road...' :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

sorry :offtopic:

Reply to Class 95 FM DJs-against students bowing to teacher/principal on Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:51:45 GMT

autolycus — Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:51:45 GMT

Well, not as formal as the Japanese; but if I am greeted, I will return the greeting — and if some young person nods or bows at me, I will return it in kind. Much to their amusement, at times.

Reply to Class 95 FM DJs-against students bowing to teacher/principal on Tue, 16 Nov 2010 02:34:46 GMT

kingster — Tue, 16 Nov 2010 02:34:46 GMT

but i believe in our current schools, the teachers does not really return the respect from the children’s bow by bowing back right? not like how japanese greet each other

Reply to Class 95 FM DJs-against students bowing to teacher/principal on Mon, 15 Nov 2010 10:54:17 GMT

autolycus — Mon, 15 Nov 2010 10:54:17 GMT

I’d just like to highlight one aspect of respect-showing behaviour: when respect is shown, respect is returned. In the armed forces, when a junior rank salutes, a salute must be returned by the superior officer; in a school, when a student bows or greets a teacher, the teacher should return the respect.

I have always referred to my students as ‘gentlemen’ or ‘ladies’, they have always called me ‘sir’ or 'Mr … '. I respect every student as an individual who has rights which I am helping to protect; but that is contingent on the student acting as a member of the society or culture which allows me to guard those rights.

Reply to Class 95 FM DJs-against students bowing to teacher/principal on Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:05:08 GMT

INNOVATE — Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:05:08 GMT

What the dj had said is his personal opinion. He may had inadvertently disregarded the consequences of such action.

Anw, better to discipline kids when young otherwise, can’t imagine what will happen to our society when they grow up.

Reply to Class 95 FM DJs-against students bowing to teacher/principal on Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:00:48 GMT

Blobbi — Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:00:48 GMT

UncleLim:
About Radio DJs

(1) They are not role models
(2) They talk a lot, and hence will need to say a fair bit of \"rubbish\" to fill up the air time and collect their salary
(3) They are not very well educated and should not seek to educate others

About Bowing
(1) It is an expression of respect
(2) It is very Asian
(3) We lose nothing doing it

** When I was younger I did not understand much about bowing as it was not a very Singaporean thing. Later in life, a fellow businessman taught me the different ways of bowing when interacting with Asians and Westerners alike. How to bow, how to clasp my hands, what to say when bowing. I was surprised how these body language and gestures helped me in my own business dealings. Now as my son is growing up, I can teach him the very same things I learnt.

Completely agree. Actually, I think the problem in the world today is that there is not enough respect for each other.

Children really ought to have more respect because it makes them feel safe that wiser and more experienced people are there to take care of them, and they should respect that. If they think they're equal way before they're ready, they won't feel there is anyone to learn from. What a topsy turvy society this will be!

Reply to Class 95 FM DJs-against students bowing to teacher/principal on Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:52:28 GMT

toddles — Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:52:28 GMT

cantbearit2:
TwaTau:
[quote=\"vlim\"]Does anyone listen to the radio this morning class 95 FM. They were discussing about against students bowing to school teachers and principal as it is teaching the children 'submission' to higher authorities :shock: :shock: :shock: ..one of the male DJs is so against it and he mentioned something like... it is as if making him bowing to toilet bowl. I was so shocked to hear what they are talking about and my ds who was with me then in my car said 'ya ...no need to bow to the teachers lliao..' jokingly. Some people including teacher fax in or sms to them saying it is ok about this bowing 'culture' as it is teaching the kids about respect...

Aiyo I think the DJ is showing the wrong example to the kids..

They did mentioned it was ok for the Japanese culture, but I don't see their rationale in saying that it is not OK in Singapore. :scratchhead: About being submissive to the authority and when they become adult, will also be the same submissive self to the authority. :scratchhead: Coming from FD I can understand, but the one that make the most noise was Glen Ong, he is not an ang mo afterall, but maybe he already lost his Asian self. It is ok to talk about it over the radio, but to ridicule about this bowing culture is just not right, we are after all an Asian society!

Agree! He has probably lost his Asian identity. Nex thg we noe, he may suggest calling our parents by name like some in the States.[/quote]some singaporeans are just more westernised than others. he's probably one of those who hardly thinks he's chinese at all.

i was from a very ang moh school but when i relief taught in a SAP sch and there was the culture of bowing, I thought it taught extremely good manners and the teachers would always nod and acknowledge the respectful behaviour.

I thought it was a very good way of inculcating respect in the young, and nothing about being subservient or being a lesser human being.

Reply to Class 95 FM DJs-against students bowing to teacher/principal on Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:18:25 GMT

UncleLim — Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:18:25 GMT

About Radio DJs

(1) They are not role models
(2) They talk a lot, and hence will need to say a fair bit of "rubbish" to fill up the air time and collect their salary
(3) They are not very well educated and should not seek to educate others

About Bowing
(1) It is an expression of respect
(2) It is very Asian
(3) We lose nothing doing it

** When I was younger I did not understand much about bowing as it was not a very Singaporean thing. Later in life, a fellow businessman taught me the different ways of bowing when interacting with Asians and Westerners alike. How to bow, how to clasp my hands, what to say when bowing. I was surprised how these body language and gestures helped me in my own business dealings. Now as my son is growing up, I can teach him the very same things I learnt.

Reply to Class 95 FM DJs-against students bowing to teacher/principal on Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:51:05 GMT

cantbearit2 — Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:51:05 GMT

carebear:
northernstar:
we do not need to feel offended or take what the DJ said seriosuly as we listen to radio for relaxation and de-stress sometimes

Ya, i totally agree with you, northernstar!
Since they have generated so much publicity, they win! :lol:

Er...on this i strongly disagree lor.

Cos when it's aired on radio, we shld practise some restrain on the things we say as anybody who tune in will hear what they have to say. That is the reason why MDA provides a certain guidelines for our radio and TV shows. DJs should have some social responsibility towards the listeners.

I agree that they have generated much publicity but for the wrong reasons I'm afraid.

I think we are all entitled to our own views but as mature adults, we are capable of expressing our differing views without sounding imposing.

Reply to Class 95 FM DJs-against students bowing to teacher/principal on Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:59:37 GMT

kiddo — Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:59:37 GMT

vlim:
I do like to listen to them most of the times but as what it has been mentioned, the way Glen bring across his strong disagreement abt the bowing issue is really :(... It is really bringing the wrong idea and message to the young ones and to those already very rebellious teenages...

Yah lor when i first hear that i was like :shock:

He should be spank :spank: :spank: :spank:

May not be a bad idea to instill some patience/humility in young children.

It not easy been a teacher nowaday - the young
people are a handful to manage. :heresmyfish: :slapshead:

Reply to Class 95 FM DJs-against students bowing to teacher/principal on Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:36:03 GMT

Muffins — Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:36:03 GMT

Erm.... I'm, kinda on the fence. On one hand, bowing to teachers shows that, yes, they are of a higher authority than you, and you are proving that. On the other hand though, it shows that students are not as capable as the teacher in the amount of knowledge they have. One example from my old school:

Teacher: So class, the area of a circle is 2(pi)multipled by radius (circumference of circle)
Me: Teacher XXXXX, I thought it was pi X r squared????
Teacher: Erm... :oops: Who's the teacher here?? Anyway, that was what said. So....

I mean, it's kind of derogatory....

Reply to Class 95 FM DJs-against students bowing to teacher/principal on Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:12:03 GMT

vlim — Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:12:03 GMT

I do like to listen to them most of the times but as what it has been mentioned, the way Glen bring across his strong disagreement abt the bowing issue is really :(... It is really bringing the wrong idea and message to the young ones and to those already very rebellious teenages...

Reply to Class 95 FM DJs-against students bowing to teacher/principal on Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:04:40 GMT

carebear — Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:04:40 GMT

northernstar:
we do not need to feel offended or take what the DJ said seriosuly as we listen to radio for relaxation and de-stress sometimes

Ya, i totally agree with you, northernstar!
Since they have generated so much publicity, they win! :lol:

Reply to Class 95 FM DJs-against students bowing to teacher/principal on Thu, 11 Nov 2010 09:14:17 GMT

northernstar — Thu, 11 Nov 2010 09:14:17 GMT

we do not need to feel offended or take what the DJ said seriosuly as we listen to radio for relaxation and de-stress sometimes

Reply to Class 95 FM DJs-against students bowing to teacher/principal on Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:53:15 GMT

cantbearit2 — Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:53:15 GMT

carebear:
cantbearit2:
[quote=\"carebear\"]I am a great fan of Class 95 fm. And i enjoy the voices of the trio!

What the DJ said is his opinion.

While i do not object bowing to higher authority, i do not think it is necessary, unless one's culture requires one to bow.
I believe it is not in the Singaporean culture to bow.
However students should greet teachers and school staff politely and the staff should acknowledge them too.
Also educators should set good example to their students too.
I think that we are basically an Asian society so bowing to show respect is kinda like part of our culture.

Not all asian cultures bow to show respect.
So bowing may be encouraged but should not be imposed.[/quote]Although not all Asian cultures bow to show respect but when in the context of Singapore, where Chinese is the majority followed by Malays, it is in our culture to bow to show respect. A bow may be limited to just lowering the head and not necessary the 90 degree bow.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowing

I think that it is not the differing views by Glen that has sparked this thread but rather the way he conveys his ideas. Sometimes we may need to put across a message in a way that is not offensive to others of differing views.

Just my 2 cents!

Reply to Class 95 FM DJs-against students bowing to teacher/principal on Wed, 10 Nov 2010 16:48:14 GMT

tutormum — Wed, 10 Nov 2010 16:48:14 GMT

I never listen to the radio but have long heard of the absurd views of some of these DJs. I do understand that they have got into trouble before. Most of their views are just loads of crap to me.. oops, excuse me for being crude. :oops: With the slashing cases going on, probably it's cos children are constantly fed with such :!: over the radio that respect and moral values have gone down the drain. It's a matter of courtesy to greet or bow or smile or any bodily form of expression to acknowledge someone. When in Japan, somehow I was drawn to follow their practice to bow in return. Nothing degrading, seriously. :roll: DS3's school requires that all teachers are addressed as \"Sir\" or \"Madam\" just as in the military and as far as I know, all parents are happy with it. Children have to learn to submit to authority and if a child doesn't learn to do so when young, he will never submit to the law and order of the country when he grows up. Moreover, bowing is not a form of submission to authority, just a form of greetings and a way of showing respect. :roll:

Reply to Class 95 FM DJs-against students bowing to teacher/principal on Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:38:06 GMT

carebear — Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:38:06 GMT

cantbearit2:
carebear:
I am a great fan of Class 95 fm. And i enjoy the voices of the trio!

What the DJ said is his opinion.

While i do not object bowing to higher authority, i do not think it is necessary, unless one's culture requires one to bow.
I believe it is not in the Singaporean culture to bow.
However students should greet teachers and school staff politely and the staff should acknowledge them too.
Also educators should set good example to their students too.
I think that we are basically an Asian society so bowing to show respect is kinda like part of our culture.

Not all asian cultures bow to show respect.
So bowing may be encouraged but should not be imposed.

Reply to Class 95 FM DJs-against students bowing to teacher/principal on Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:24:23 GMT

cantbearit2 — Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:24:23 GMT

TwaTau:
ksi:
[quote=\"vlim\"]Does anyone listen to the radio this morning class 95 FM. They were discussing about against students bowing to school teachers and principal as it is teaching the children 'submission' to higher authorities :shock: :shock: :shock: ..one of the male DJs is so against it and he mentioned something like... it is as if making him bowing to toilet bowl. I was so shocked to hear what they are talking about and my ds who was with me then in my car said 'ya ...no need to bow to the teachers lliao..' jokingly. Some people including teacher fax in or sms to them saying it is ok about this bowing 'culture' as it is teaching the kids about respect...

Aiyo I think the DJ is showing the wrong example to the kids..
Orh.......he die already.....the whole Japanese nation will come after him now...errr... what was his name? :evil: :lol: :lol: :lol:

They did mentioned it was ok for the Japanese culture, but I don't see their rationale in saying that it is not OK in Singapore. :scratchhead: About being submissive to the authority and when they become adult, will also be the same submissive self to the authority. :scratchhead: Coming from FD I can understand, but the one that make the most noise was Glen Ong, he is not an ang mo afterall, but maybe he already lost his Asian self. It is ok to talk about it over the radio, but to ridicule about this bowing culture is just not right, we are after all an Asian society![/quote]Agree! He has probably lost his Asian identity. Nex thg we noe, he may suggest calling our parents by name like some in the States.

Reply to Class 95 FM DJs-against students bowing to teacher/principal on Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:20:02 GMT

cantbearit2 — Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:20:02 GMT

carebear:
I am a great fan of Class 95 fm. And i enjoy the voices of the trio!

What the DJ said is his opinion.

While i do not object bowing to higher authority, i do not think it is necessary, unless one's culture requires one to bow.
I believe it is not in the Singaporean culture to bow.
However students should greet teachers and school staff politely and the staff should acknowledge them too.
Also educators should set good example to their students too.

I think that we are basically an Asian society so bowing to show respect is kinda like part of our culture.

Reply to Class 95 FM DJs-against students bowing to teacher/principal on Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:16:44 GMT

cantbearit2 — Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:16:44 GMT

Nebbermind:
used to be still tolerable but slowly found their comments rather ridiculous and irresponsible...have since moved on to gold 90...hahahha...became ah pek already!

Same here. I have found the station DJs 2B sarcastic and rude at times and their views are pretty shallow in my opinion.

I have also move on to gold 90.5...becoming ah soh liao. :lol: :lol:

Reply to Class 95 FM DJs-against students bowing to teacher/principal on Wed, 10 Nov 2010 14:30:18 GMT

corneyAmber — Wed, 10 Nov 2010 14:30:18 GMT

TwaTau:
They did mentioned it was ok for the Japanese culture, but I don't see their rationale in saying that it is not OK in Singapore. :scratchhead: About being submissive to the authority and when they become adult, will also be the same submissive self to the authority. :scratchhead: Coming from FD I can understand, but the one that make the most noise was Glen Ong, he is not an ang mo afterall, but maybe he already lost his Asian self. It is ok to talk about it over the radio, but to ridicule about this bowing culture is just not right, we are after all an Asian society!

Oh Glen Ong ah? He may be only trying to contest the attention that Jamie's baby is getting by making such statements to draw attention... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Reply to Class 95 FM DJs-against students bowing to teacher/principal on Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:23:27 GMT

mrswongtuition — Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:23:27 GMT

In one of the schools I’ve taught in, the students are taught that bowing is a form of respect and it does not mean that they bow to authority.

Teachers are expected to acknowledge by returning the greeting (we either nod or bow back).

I personally feel that it is a form of respect. It’s alright if the kids don’t want to bow, but they should at least greet the teacher (with a smile, not scowl).

Reply to Class 95 FM DJs-against students bowing to teacher/principal on Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:15:52 GMT

TwaTau — Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:15:52 GMT

ksi:
vlim:
Does anyone listen to the radio this morning class 95 FM. They were discussing about against students bowing to school teachers and principal as it is teaching the children 'submission' to higher authorities :shock: :shock: :shock: ..one of the male DJs is so against it and he mentioned something like... it is as if making him bowing to toilet bowl. I was so shocked to hear what they are talking about and my ds who was with me then in my car said 'ya ...no need to bow to the teachers lliao..' jokingly. Some people including teacher fax in or sms to them saying it is ok about this bowing 'culture' as it is teaching the kids about respect...

Aiyo I think the DJ is showing the wrong example to the kids..
Orh.......he die already.....the whole Japanese nation will come after him now...errr... what was his name? :evil: :lol: :lol: :lol: