<![CDATA[band vs cop?]]>hello


don’t really understand the relation between the 2. seems like related to the stars of achievement? can someone kindly explain as I am still trying to figure out which sec school to choose

tks

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JonC:
Maybe you should read here,

http://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?p=81712#81712
Yes, what is stated there is generally true. But you will also note that ISs now have fees starting around $300 pm for Singaporeans. For ACS(I), it's an exorbitant $400. And that doesn't include the many supplementary fees and other expenses.

From my perspective, parents should do their due diligence when scoping out ISs. You need to know exactly what your children are getting for the huge amount you will be spending. If a school charges $50 a year for notes, photocopying etc, that's about 1800+ pages of notes per year per student.

I know it's hard for many parents to make sense of the hugely complex Singapore education system and the terms which schools (sometimes rather loosely) use in describing their programmes. But if you're going to put your child in an 'elite' IS for 4-6 years, it's worth the effort to get an explanation in detail.

That's why I think KSP is a very useful site that provides a good service. I've learnt a lot from fellow forum users in my short time here.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/309305https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/309305Sun, 05 Dec 2010 12:50:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to band vs cop? on Sun, 05 Dec 2010 09:36:02 GMT]]>Maybe you should read here,

http://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?p=81712#81712

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Kiasu Friend:
JonC:

Means the school and the school management has a lot more say than other school when comes to many decision affecting the school.


Thank you JonC.

Can you please explain how 'autonomous schools' differ from 'independent' schools? It is somewhat confusing.

Thanks and regards.

I think the best way to explain is to say that both ASs and ISs have a large degree of control over how they spend their 'capitation grant'—that is, the amount of money MOE passes to them per student.

This money can be used for all kinds of enrichment programmes and special facilities, within reason.

All Singapore schools must still adhere to certain guidelines such as the bilingual policy, national education, and so on.

However, ASs run curriculum completely within the system while ISs can do things like adopt unusual systems leading to different academic qualifications. For example, NUSHSMS, Sports School, SOTA, ACS(I) (among others) have alternatives to the O and A level standard system.

In this sense, ASs and ISs are the non-standard schools within the Singapore education system, but ISs are even less constrained than ASs.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/309272https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/309272Sun, 05 Dec 2010 09:26:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to band vs cop? on Sun, 05 Dec 2010 07:41:17 GMT]]>

JonC:
Means the school and the school management has a lot more say than other school when comes to many decision affecting the school.

Thank you JonC.

Can you please explain how 'autonomous schools' differ from 'independent' schools? It is somewhat confusing.

Thanks and regards.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/309259https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/309259Sun, 05 Dec 2010 07:41:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to band vs cop? on Sun, 05 Dec 2010 04:13:53 GMT]]>Means the school and the school management has a lot more say than other school when comes to many decision affecting the school.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/309206https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/309206Sun, 05 Dec 2010 04:13:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to band vs cop? on Tue, 30 Nov 2010 02:41:27 GMT]]>what is meant by Autonomous Schools(AS)?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/306248https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/306248Tue, 30 Nov 2010 02:41:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to band vs cop? on Tue, 30 Nov 2010 02:11:13 GMT]]>

JonC:
Banding, there are some possible tricks which can push L1B5 better, that is letting only those who can achieve good scores to go for O Level by reducing the number of students.


As for how to reduce (I know at least 3 ways), you can go and figure out.
Fully agreed. It is also happening in JC. Even happening in some elite Pr Sch to maintain good PSLE results - kind of sad state.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/306223https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/306223Tue, 30 Nov 2010 02:11:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to band vs cop? on Sun, 28 Nov 2010 15:14:08 GMT]]>Banding, there are some possible tricks which can push L1B5 better, that is letting only those who can achieve good scores to go for O Level by reducing the number of students.


As for how to reduce (I know at least 3 ways), you can go and figure out.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/305154https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/305154Sun, 28 Nov 2010 15:14:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to band vs cop? on Sun, 28 Nov 2010 14:27:53 GMT]]>

leesf:
I notice some schools have higher cop which do not have any banding than those schools with lower cop which are banded. So does that mean higher input (cop) may not produce good 'O' level results?

Yes, some schools have high COP but banding is not so good.

There are some schools which consistently get 'Academic value add' stars. Why? becos they accept affiliated students with lower COP, hence the room for value add is there -> they consistently get stars for 'Academic value add'.

Look at St Margaret and Crescent. SM will get Academic value add stars easier than Crescent. Can u figure it out?

Another school which always get such stars is PLMGPS.

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leesf:
I notice some schools have higher cop which do not have any banding than those schools with lower cop which are banded. So does that mean higher input (cop) may not produce good 'O' level results?

Hwachong, raffles, etc? they don't take o level and hence not banded

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/305113https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/305113Sun, 28 Nov 2010 14:19:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to band vs cop? on Sun, 28 Nov 2010 13:53:55 GMT]]>I notice some schools have higher cop which do not have any banding than those schools with lower cop which are banded. So does that mean higher input (cop) may not produce good ‘O’ level results?

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funtimegalz:
hello


don't really understand the relation between the 2. seems like related to the stars of achievement? can someone kindly explain as I am still trying to figure out which sec school to choose

tks
Think of it as INPUT (COP) vs OUTPUT (GCE O Level Results banding)

If Input is 50, output is 50 -> no value add
If Input is 50, output is more than 50, say 70 -> value add

So take for example, NanChiau's Input COP was <220 4 years ago, now output is Band 1 results, then there is a lot of Academic Value Add.

HTH

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