Does school conduct test before allow the kid to reg Pri 1?

Reply to Does school conduct test before allow the kid to reg Pri 1? on Tue, 18 Dec 2012 12:02:12 GMT

Pen88n — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 12:02:12 GMT

Some schools does assessment of P1 kids during orientation or first few days of school. This is not for streaming, but rather to identify weaker kids and put in the necessary support for these kids - eg. reading programme / buddy help / PV run tuition programme, etc. It is good for early intervention and that such support is provided to assist the kids in coping with schoolwork.

Reply to Does school conduct test before allow the kid to reg Pri 1? on Tue, 18 Dec 2012 11:53:23 GMT

jollysmith — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 11:53:23 GMT

Assessment is an important aspect of learning and teaching and therefore at some primary school they conduct a test either through formal conversation or some activity. Though assessment at this early stage is not much needed but yes it provide some useful information that can supports your child’s learning and holistic development.

Reply to Does school conduct test before allow the kid to reg Pri 1? on Tue, 27 Nov 2012 03:33:25 GMT

hellokittyspore — Tue, 27 Nov 2012 03:33:25 GMT

deardear07:
buds:
Heyya all,

During last week's meet the parents' session at kiddies school did
i just find out that last year's SA2, it was the beginning of sifting the
creme de la crop. Found out that TOP 120 students from P1 were
assigned to BANDED CLASSES! Seriously... i don't remember
being informed of such a practise in that school, and its a neighbourhood
school mind you. Stress ah... Stress...

Know what? Because classes of this new generation don't go auto
format ABCD classes but with fancy class names.. (Like 1 Gumption,
of 1 Aries, 1 Taurus, 1 Excellence and so on...) we will not know which
classes exactly are the banded ones, unless our children are in it. Was
told by another friend that circulars were sent out to parents of the TOP
120 in last year's Primary 1 with regards to their children being selected
for the banded classes.

What goes on in the banded classes? This was what i heard..
>Better teachers... - Younger, the creative wizards who inspire..
>More homework... - Which i think the banded kids reali love...
>More interactive lessons... - No fair!

So, thats my story... Sigh.. Sreaming at P1 man...
Can you believe that?
which school is this? :evil:

Hi,

I don't think grouping of students with the same capabilities is meant for that purpose such as better teachers, more homework and so on for the \"branded\" class.

Students from P1 came from different pre-school education. I believe the school just want to provide different speed and level of guidance to different group of students based on their P1 academic performance. I don't think I want my children to be stressed out if he/she has no prior phonics background and not able to read well as compared to others in the same class.

Try to look at it from the brighter side. Given different level of personalised coaching for different group of children, you child can improve from that. I believe parent is still the best teacher to your child.

Reply to Does school conduct test before allow the kid to reg Pri 1? on Thu, 24 Nov 2011 15:37:16 GMT

deardear07 — Thu, 24 Nov 2011 15:37:16 GMT

buds:
Heyya all,

During last week's meet the parents' session at kiddies school did
i just find out that last year's SA2, it was the beginning of sifting the
creme de la crop. Found out that TOP 120 students from P1 were
assigned to BANDED CLASSES! Seriously... i don't remember
being informed of such a practise in that school, and its a neighbourhood
school mind you. Stress ah... Stress...

Know what? Because classes of this new generation don't go auto
format ABCD classes but with fancy class names.. (Like 1 Gumption,
of 1 Aries, 1 Taurus, 1 Excellence and so on...) we will not know which
classes exactly are the banded ones, unless our children are in it. Was
told by another friend that circulars were sent out to parents of the TOP
120 in last year's Primary 1 with regards to their children being selected
for the banded classes.

What goes on in the banded classes? This was what i heard..
>Better teachers... - Younger, the creative wizards who inspire..
>More homework... - Which i think the banded kids reali love...
>More interactive lessons... - No fair!

So, thats my story... Sigh.. Sreaming at P1 man...
Can you believe that?

which school is this? :evil:

Reply to Does school conduct test before allow the kid to reg Pri 1? on Thu, 24 Nov 2011 15:35:27 GMT

deardear07 — Thu, 24 Nov 2011 15:35:27 GMT

heard from somewhere else that before any banding can be done, some schools put the children in classes based on their month of births. My dd is in the 2nd last class, coinciding with her month which is in the last quarter of the year… can someone confirm this? apparently they sort of expect that the slower learners will be those born end of the year??

Reply to Does school conduct test before allow the kid to reg Pri 1? on Thu, 24 Nov 2011 15:34:46 GMT

deardear07 — Thu, 24 Nov 2011 15:34:46 GMT

Ljas1370:
I was a PV at Geylang Methodist School (Primary). During their P1 Orientation Day last year, students are being allocated to their respective class and after that they were given math & English worksheets to do. Some can do very well. Some totally don't know how to do and cried. As a PV, I was told not to tell them the answer but to tell them treat it as a game and if you don't know just make a guess as all are multiple choice question. Those that did not do well, the form teacher will enourage their parents to send their children for enrichment during the holiday. SWEAT!!!

my dd was allocated her class before orientation...but during orientation, she was brought around and given some work to do. like a fill in the blanks for spelling parts of the school which she was able to do with ease. I KPO so asked her if any of her friends cun do. she told me blankly that only some can do and some never do.

no need to submit so I don't know if school is gg to see anything from these...

Reply to Does school conduct test before allow the kid to reg Pri 1? on Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:24:39 GMT

titank — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:24:39 GMT

Oh had heard that CHIJ (Kellock) conducted test for the P1 in the oridentation day. The kid took English & Maths. Those who do not fare well have to come to the school take remedial lessons.

The school guess would do streaming before P1. I gues most schools do have some form of internal streaming after P1 & P2.

Reply to Does school conduct test before allow the kid to reg Pri 1? on Mon, 21 Dec 2009 23:03:58 GMT

qms — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 23:03:58 GMT

buds:
What goes on in the banded classes? This was what i heard..

>Better teachers... - Younger, the creative wizards who inspire..
>More homework... - Which i think the banded kids reali love...
>More interactive lessons... - No fair!

Creative wizards... Hmm, so do they teach you how to make magic potions and powerful spells?

Reply to Does school conduct test before allow the kid to reg Pri 1? on Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:50:05 GMT

MMM — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:50:05 GMT

meiesther@yahoo.com:
MMM,

my dd will be registering in primary sch in yr 2010. Would like to find some informations.

Is it a usual pratice that MBS will hv streaming? Chinese only?
How does MBS go about it to segregate children to the classes?
How is MBS standard compare to Eunos Primary and Geylang Med Sch?

Cheers

Hi,

MBS is a SAP school and they only does streaming for P1 and P2. From P3 onwards, kids are stream based on their overall results. My girl is going to P3 so I am still learning the system. But basically, I think there is only 1 or 2 top class? the rest will be a mixture of students.

I don't know how MBS split the kids, probably by registration phase? Frankly I am not too sure.

For comparison with Eunos and Geyland med, MBS is a SAP school so it's \"diff\". You might want to refer to KSP school rankings, etc... to compare.

Reply to Does school conduct test before allow the kid to reg Pri 1? on Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:12:35 GMT

meiesther.09548yahoo.09548com — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:12:35 GMT

MMM:
In the case of MBS, the P1 kids were stream based on their SA1 chinese results. I totally agree with Chief, given that those kids in the best class are taught alot more and tested alot more than the rest but they still sit for the same SA paper. Potentially their results will be better given their exposure. So it's never playing on the same level.

Was relating to my ex-teacher who is still teaching there that no doubt that such streaming helps teachers to focus their attn and group kids according to their capability (probably better for them). But as a parent, inorder to avoid the situation above, we need to ensure that the kids do well enough to make it to the top class or at least average....

MMM,

my dd will be registering in primary sch in yr 2010. Would like to find some informations.

Is it a usual pratice that MBS will hv streaming? Chinese only?
How does MBS go about it to segregate children to the classes?
How is MBS standard compare to Eunos Primary and Geylang Med Sch?

Cheers

Reply to Does school conduct test before allow the kid to reg Pri 1? on Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:18:59 GMT

MMM — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:18:59 GMT

BTW, MBS is probably only moving out of the circuit road school next year iso June 2008. Heard that they are probably moving to single session next year so they probably need to do additional works to the new school building.

Reply to Does school conduct test before allow the kid to reg Pri 1? on Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:14:23 GMT

ChiefKiasu — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:14:23 GMT

singabox:
Hi ChiefKiasu, my child is in P1 this year and I would be shifting nearby to Kong Hwa Pri. What do you think my chances to secure a transfer into this school for next yr??

I'm considering for PV to this school for my younger child now in Nursery. Is it difficult to get PV with this school? thks!

It's better that you check with the school directly. I believe they will first need to assess your child's standard before they decide. Also, I believe Konghwa will be moving over to the Paya Lebar area next year (taking over Maha Bohdi's previous temporary site) as their current premises are due for some major renovation. You should keep that in mind

Reply to Does school conduct test before allow the kid to reg Pri 1? on Thu, 05 Feb 2009 08:29:16 GMT

singabox — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 08:29:16 GMT

Hi ChiefKiasu, my child is in P1 this year and I would be shifting nearby to Kong Hwa Pri. What do you think my chances to secure a transfer into this school for next yr??

I’m considering for PV to this school for my younger child now in Nursery. Is it difficult to get PV with this school? thks!

Reply to Does school conduct test before allow the kid to reg Pri 1? on Thu, 05 Feb 2009 08:22:03 GMT

bbhome — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 08:22:03 GMT

looks like some neighbourhood schools are pushing their students to excel so they do streaming to pick the best students who will be able to "enjoy" the limited resource.

Reply to Does school conduct test before allow the kid to reg Pri 1? on Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:04:36 GMT

ChiefKiasu — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:04:36 GMT

buds:
...Kiddies school has so far

gotten top 15 PSLE student for 2 running years and this year if reali
kena one more time, this neighbourhood school can be considered
elite liao.. And confirm next year intake for Pri 1 would oredi
start to ballot by Phase 2B. Heheh...

Ooo... I love mysteries. Lemme take a guess. The only Top 15 \"2nd year running\" this year are Nanyang, Nan Hua, Tao Nan and St. Hilda's. I would hardly call any of these \"neighbourhood\" schools. You wouldn't be referring to Tao Nan, would you :idea:

Yes, we must be optimists, and see the best in situations and people in order to lead happy lives. Banded or unbanded, that's the way of life, so we must make the best of what we get. And it wouldn't end there. From banding to GEP to bicep to Integrated Programmes... we will be halved and quartered and stripped away until they reach the final surviving cream of the crop. What happens to the rest?

Reply to Does school conduct test before allow the kid to reg Pri 1? on Sat, 24 Jan 2009 09:42:25 GMT

buds — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 09:42:25 GMT

Heyya Chief,

Yes, you're right. My apologies for the confusion.
Yup, using P1 results... 120 P1 pupils who had the best results
will go into the 3 BANDED classes in P2. So, that means the kids
are streamed at P2 level... correct?

Jedamum is also right in a way..
Neighbourhood schools are the under-dogs in the production or
the \"churning\" (dun mind jedamum - i use your word cos it describes
the situation best!) of potential scholars. Kiddies school has so far
gotten top 15 PSLE student for 2 running years and this year if reali
kena one more time, this neighbourhood school can be considered
elite liao.. And confirm next year intake for Pri 1 would oredi
start to ballot by Phase 2B. Heheh..

And Chief, :idea:
your suggestion of the \"better\" teachers teaching the weaker classes
is highly do-able if they or the system put their minds to it. It will mean
the school may nurture even more potential scholars, and may not
necessarily be from the cluster of the Banded Classes.

Well, a fren of mine whose child is IN one of the banded class oredi
complain, wah lau... soooo much homework, everyday.

I guess my kiddie wud benefit from the less homework so she can
still have time to be a kid, that she still is...

She says she looks forward going to school.
And that spells a good thing..

A happy child will be a better learner.

No doubt, may not come out tops or scholar material..
I would be blessed enough if she does okay but always happy..
has self confidence... good moral values... and be my good little
girl... always.

....... until........

Until such time that she DOES get into a Banded Class of course!
Wuahahahahahaaaa! That time, things sure gotta change, right?

Reply to Does school conduct test before allow the kid to reg Pri 1? on Sat, 24 Jan 2009 02:16:01 GMT

jedamum — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 02:16:01 GMT

ChiefKiasu:
Why do the kids in the better classes need the better teachers? They should be able to cope with whatever teachers assigned to them. .

It's not solely about more advanced students coping without 'better' teachers.
Early streaming at neighbourhood schools is their best bet at churning out their few top PSLE students.

Reply to Does school conduct test before allow the kid to reg Pri 1? on Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:59:28 GMT

ChiefKiasu — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:59:28 GMT

buds:
...So, thats my story... Sigh.. Sreaming at P1 man...

Can you believe that?

Do you mean streaming at P2 based on P1 results?

Schools today have gotten so used to the concept of streaming (read- EM3) that they have been imposing for more than a decade that they do not seem to know or want to teach classes with children of mixed capabilities. So, even though EM3 is officially no longer in existence, that concept is still implicitly inherent in quite a number of schools today.

Anyway, I'm ok with streaming if the schools assign the best teachers to teach the weaker classes. Why do the kids in the better classes need the better teachers? They should be able to cope with whatever teachers assigned to them. It is the weaker students who need more effort, patience, and work to be brought up to the required standards.

Reply to Does school conduct test before allow the kid to reg Pri 1? on Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:09:05 GMT

MMM — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:09:05 GMT

Yes… my niece at Unity Primary sat for a test and were stream based on their results even before they start P1 last year. I was like??? as even my kids’ school weren’t doing it.

In addition, such streaming I felt was more a test of the kids’ preschool education coverage… Eg. in her case, she went to the same class as her pre-school mates and unfortunately as my sil mentioned, the std of her pre-school wasn’t that great so they ended up in one of the last few classes.

Reply to Does school conduct test before allow the kid to reg Pri 1? on Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:09:55 GMT

buds — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:09:55 GMT

Heyya all,

During last week's meet the parents' session at kiddies school did
i just find out that last year's SA2, it was the beginning of sifting the
creme de la crop. Found out that TOP 120 students from P1 were
assigned to BANDED CLASSES! Seriously... i don't remember
being informed of such a practise in that school, and its a neighbourhood
school mind you. Stress ah... Stress...

Know what? Because classes of this new generation don't go auto
format ABCD classes but with fancy class names.. (Like 1 Gumption,
of 1 Aries, 1 Taurus, 1 Excellence and so on...) we will not know which
classes exactly are the banded ones, unless our children are in it. Was
told by another friend that circulars were sent out to parents of the TOP
120 in last year's Primary 1 with regards to their children being selected
for the banded classes.

What goes on in the banded classes? This was what i heard..
>Better teachers... - Younger, the creative wizards who inspire..
>More homework... - Which i think the banded kids reali love...
>More interactive lessons... - No fair!

So, thats my story... Sigh.. Sreaming at P1 man...
Can you believe that?

Reply to Does school conduct test before allow the kid to reg Pri 1? on Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:59:12 GMT

sleepy — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:59:12 GMT

fredia_phionna:
Recently, i have received a letter from a good school that i have not chosen to be in the pv programme.. then my spouse mentioned to me that some good pri school do conduct test before pri 1 phrase ballot... is it true?

For my girl's primary school, children were assigned to classes randomly.
Tests were conducted two weeks after term started but no streaming until P3

Reply to Does school conduct test before allow the kid to reg Pri 1? on Fri, 23 Jan 2009 03:46:55 GMT

MMM — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 03:46:55 GMT

In the case of MBS, the P1 kids were stream based on their SA1 chinese results. I totally agree with Chief, given that those kids in the best class are taught alot more and tested alot more than the rest but they still sit for the same SA paper. Potentially their results will be better given their exposure. So it’s never playing on the same level.

Was relating to my ex-teacher who is still teaching there that no doubt that such streaming helps teachers to focus their attn and group kids according to their capability (probably better for them). But as a parent, inorder to avoid the situation above, we need to ensure that the kids do well enough to make it to the top class or at least average…

Reply to Does school conduct test before allow the kid to reg Pri 1? on Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:03:35 GMT

ChiefKiasu — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:03:35 GMT

Ljas1370:
...I heard from neighbour, Kong Hwa School did that, for their lower primary student, those good ones well be put in the best 2 or 3 classes. Her son was in on the best P2 class.

My son is in Kong Hwa and I believe the streaming was done only in Pri 3 in preparation for the Bicep selection. I don't recall streaming occuring between P1 and P2, or the concept of a \"best class\" in P2.

Reply to Does school conduct test before allow the kid to reg Pri 1? on Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:01:37 GMT

Ljas1370 — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:01:37 GMT

"ChiefKiasu - I strongly believe that it is not right for anyone to judge how well a kid can do at such an early stage. To stream children based on what they "know" on the first day is unfair to both children and parents who were unaware that they needed to prepare their children up to a certain standard before entering P1"

In reply to Chiefkiasu’s comments - I would like to add that Geylang Methodist did not stream children based on what they "know" on the first day. Even before they took the test, they already know which class they’re in. Just to be fair to the school. I heard from neighbour, Kong Hwa School did that, for their lower primary student, those good ones well be put in the best 2 or 3 classes. Her son was in on the best P2 class.