Stay in Secondary School or go for IP?

Reply to Stay in Secondary School or go for IP? on Wed, 23 Feb 2011 08:41:59 GMT

INNOVATE — Wed, 23 Feb 2011 08:41:59 GMT

micko07

You have done your homework!

My prayer goes to you to score an excellent set of results as i know you can really make a difference to many people’s lives.

God bless you and gives you His shalom.

Reply to Stay in Secondary School or go for IP? on Wed, 23 Feb 2011 08:12:17 GMT

micko07 — Wed, 23 Feb 2011 08:12:17 GMT

INNOVATE:

1. You hve outlined that 2 private scholarship awards which are just as difficult to get if not more competitive vs-a-vs the top two. This statement is incorrect as it is a recognised fact that which are the top two. This is an undisputed fact not withstanding the fact that there are some others who are not interested for some reasons. Your alumni and RI like to impress students/parents in this area.

2. A winner of President Scholarship from RI (2009) is currently reading law in Cambridge. It shows that a holder need not hve to forgo his aspiration as a coporate lawyer. In the case of SAFOS, at most they are not call to the bar during the duration of the bond period.

3. It is extremely difficult to get into an ivy league university let alone a full grant. Moreover in this instance, we are dicussing a full scholarship which is totally different from a financial grant. Please do not confuse parents here. We should not be in a delusion into believing the likely prospect of a student admitting into an ivy league with a full financial grant as a general statement. Sad to say the focus is on top students from China and India. Our top students must keep trying.

1. Jardine and LCK are VERY underrated scholarships. Unless you've really done your homework, the average person doesn't know of them. They're bond-free, tenable for overseas studies (Oxbridge only for Jardine) and competition is very intense. HCI produces around 10+ PSC scholars per year, with around 1 Pres scholar each batch on average. On the other hand, you could count the number of students awarded Jardine or LCK over the last 5 years on two hands. HC HP has had less than 5 Jardine scholars over its entire history (that's 20+ years). The last LCK scholar from HC HP was back in 2004 if I'm not wrong. I haven't heard of any Jardine/LCK scholars from mainstream.

The top schools like to sell the scholarship line because everyone can identify it with it easily. Who in Singapore is unaware of the government?! Jardine and LCK are less well-known, but that doesn't mean it's any less difficult to get. In fact, truth be told, the most competitive scholarship by numbers is probably GIC's.

2. He'll be effectively 7 years behind his peers, assuming he doesn't break bond and qualifies for the Bar only after finishing. I suppose if you don't mind taking the long route by deferring your dreams, it's fine. Just ask the guy who did engineering, did a few years of his bond and then decided he wanted to be a doctor instead and went to medical school. But would you be at a disadvantage? Probably, especially since you'll be starting right at the bottom of the ladder if you lack previous job experience. Is it impossible? Of course not! But is it difficult? Yes. Depends on the individual really, as well as the career in question.

Most people I know who have their hearts set on a career which isn't covered by the PSC aren't bothered with PSC scholarships (eg wannabe vets, physiotherapists, clinical psychologists, financial analysts etc). There are only a handful of courses that aren't offered in the local unis anyway (and they have generous bursaries). I imagine some people would though.

Off-topic: Law in the UK is an academic course which lasts only 3 years (ie no different from the typical undergrad course). I applied for Law, but not because I want to practice!

3. I don't remember schools offering students grants (admittedly, not something I've researched). Most people take bank loans I think. Some schools are need-blind (including Harvard, Yale, MIT and Princeton), which means requesting for aid will not impact their admissions decision at all. If you're genuinely deserving, they'll pay for you to go. (The amount of aid depends on family income though, so you might not get a full waiver). Didn't Eddie Teo (or was it PM Lee?) once talk about a student who turned down OMS in favour of full financial aid from Princeton?

Also, from empirical observation, I think we can generalize that if a student is good enough for a PS/SAFOS/SPFOS, chances are they'd be good enough for admission to an Ivy too.

Bottomline is, I think people need to look past using scholarships as the sole barometer of a school's success. (And that includes the schools as well). It is a useful indicator, but certainly not the be all end all. That's my opinion though, and you are of course free to disagree with me.

Thank you very much for your well-wishes, am that my results will turn out okay. God bless you and your children too!

Reply to Stay in Secondary School or go for IP? on Tue, 22 Feb 2011 02:34:33 GMT

INNOVATE — Tue, 22 Feb 2011 02:34:33 GMT

micko07:
INNOVATE:
Yes is also applicable if you are transferring from RI to HCI Humanities programme and aims to study in Oxbridge as a PSC scholar.

I don't agree with this statement. It is certainly NOT necessary to transfer to HCI HP even if you wish to study in Oxbridge with a PSC scholarship. I know people from RJ HP who have an Oxbridge offer and a PSC conditional scholarship.

Yes President's Scholarship, SAFOS and SPFOS are definitely prestigious scholarships. But should these scholarships be the sole barometer of the quality of education provided by a school? I don't think it's particularly fair because
a) There are other scholarships which are just as difficult to get (or possibly even more competitive), like Loke Cheng Kim and Jardine.
b) PS, SAFOS and SPFOS are only tenable for public service. For the last two, your career options are further restricted. Not everyone is prepared to commit for 6 years at the age of 18/19.
c) Some people prefer specific scholarships in certain sectors, like GIC or URA.
d) Some people rather not take a scholarship for personal reasons, especially if they've already decided on a career for which a scholarship isn't offered (eg Corporate Lawyer)
e) The US schools have generous aid programmes for students who demonstrate financial need. You can get a full scholarship with no bond.

Scholarships really shouldn't be regarded as the be all, end all of JC education. Taking on a scholarship is much more than just a financial consideration; ultimately, you're committing the next 10 years or so of your life to an organization. It's a career decision. I honestly don't feel it is worth taking a scholarship simply for the sake of doing so.

Also, very few NYGH and HCI boys cross-over to RI. I think there was just one girl in my entire batch. I asked my tutor regarding the popularity of HCI HP with RG girls - he himself isn't sure why. We haven't had any RI or ACSI boys for several batches now though. Apparently, what happened is that one batch of IP RG girls started the trend and it's been a \"word of mouth\" kind of succession since, where a batch influences their juniors and so on. Just a hypothesis though.

Many thanks for your post.

On this occassion, i hve to address certain inaccuracies in your statement and leave out those where we can disagreed.

1. You hve outlined that 2 private scholarship awards which are just as difficult to get if not more competitive vs-a-vs the top two. This statement is incorrect as it is a recognised fact that which are the top two. This is an undisputed fact not withstanding the fact that there are some others who are not interested for some reasons. Your alumni and RI like to impress students/parents in this area.

2. A winner of President Scholarship from RI (2009) is currently reading law in Cambridge. It shows that a holder need not hve to forgo his aspiration as a coporate lawyer. In the case of SAFOS, at most they are not call to the bar during the duration of the bond period.

3. It is extremely difficult to get into an ivy league university let alone a full grant. Moreover in this instance, we are dicussing a full scholarship which is totally different from a financial grant. Please do not confuse parents here. We should not be in a delusion into believing the likely prospect of a student admitting into an ivy league with a full financial grant as a general statement. Sad to say the focus is on top students from China and India. Our top students must keep trying.

The A-level results shall be released sometime end of next week and on this occassion, i wish you well in your tertiary pursuit.

God bless

Reply to Stay in Secondary School or go for IP? on Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:46:43 GMT

naggo-nitemare — Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:46:43 GMT

:goodpost:

Reply to Stay in Secondary School or go for IP? on Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:45:13 GMT

micko07 — Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:45:13 GMT

INNOVATE:
Yes is also applicable if you are transferring from RI to HCI Humanities programme and aims to study in Oxbridge as a PSC scholar.

I don't agree with this statement. It is certainly NOT necessary to transfer to HCI HP even if you wish to study in Oxbridge with a PSC scholarship. I know people from RJ HP who have an Oxbridge offer and a PSC conditional scholarship.

Yes President's Scholarship, SAFOS and SPFOS are definitely prestigious scholarships. But should these scholarships be the sole barometer of the quality of education provided by a school? I don't think it's particularly fair because
a) There are other scholarships which are just as difficult to get (or possibly even more competitive), like Loke Cheng Kim and Jardine.
b) PS, SAFOS and SPFOS are only tenable for public service. For the last two, your career options are further restricted. Not everyone is prepared to commit for 6 years at the age of 18/19.
c) Some people prefer specific scholarships in certain sectors, like GIC or URA.
d) Some people rather not take a scholarship for personal reasons, especially if they've already decided on a career for which a scholarship isn't offered (eg Corporate Lawyer)
e) The US schools have generous aid programmes for students who demonstrate financial need. You can get a full scholarship with no bond.

Scholarships really shouldn't be regarded as the be all, end all of JC education. Taking on a scholarship is much more than just a financial consideration; ultimately, you're committing the next 10 years or so of your life to an organization. It's a career decision. I honestly don't feel it is worth taking a scholarship simply for the sake of doing so.

Also, very few NYGH and HCI boys cross-over to RI. I think there was just one girl in my entire batch. I asked my tutor regarding the popularity of HCI HP with RG girls - he himself isn't sure why. We haven't had any RI or ACSI boys for several batches now though. Apparently, what happened is that one batch of IP RG girls started the trend and it's been a \"word of mouth\" kind of succession since, where a batch influences their juniors and so on. Just a hypothesis though.

Reply to Stay in Secondary School or go for IP? on Fri, 18 Feb 2011 05:37:37 GMT

verykiasu2010 — Fri, 18 Feb 2011 05:37:37 GMT

greenbean2011:
erm ... may i ask .. for Secondary school, if minus out RGS and NYGH, which one stronger academically, amongst - MGS Secondary, SCGS secondary, or St. Nick secondary ?

any answer any one gives will be politically incorrect...you are comparing a Methodist with a Catholic and with a non-believer ...... :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Reply to Stay in Secondary School or go for IP? on Fri, 18 Feb 2011 05:30:16 GMT

greenbean2011 — Fri, 18 Feb 2011 05:30:16 GMT

erm … may i ask … for Secondary school, if minus out RGS and NYGH, which one stronger academically, amongst - MGS Secondary, SCGS secondary, or St. Nick secondary ?

Reply to Stay in Secondary School or go for IP? on Fri, 18 Feb 2011 02:38:58 GMT

csc — Fri, 18 Feb 2011 02:38:58 GMT

INNOVATE:
naggo-nitemare:
What's this obsession with president scholarships?

One should choose a school that best suits one's learning pace n style, not for president scholarships. There are many other scholarships out there other than psc and govt related ones tt do not require bonded service.
I find Innovate's analysis of president scholarship selection baseless and tinged with personal bias n skewed beliefs. Laughable n silly.

Thank you for your comment.

In a public forum, as long as i am a participant, i certainly hve to expect some form of crticism from some qtrs for whatsoever reasons no matter how accurate or plausible my arguments are. The impt pt is that i hve presented my arguments with accurate data for the benefits of parents here. Of course there will be disagreedment from some qtrs.

As for personal interest, certainly i do pray that both my kids are able to secure a good scholarship like many parents do. At the end of the day, both may not even make it to the starting line as there are others out there who are more competitive than them. I am thankful to Lord for my kids' competiveness and my family will move on well and are blessed whatever the circumstances will be in this instance. They just hve to congratulate their schoolmates/others and bless them.

Whether you recognise it or not, President and SAF Overseas Merit Scholarships are regarded as the top two in the entire scholarship universe. Both are the most prestigious and hotly contested in each cohort.

From your post, you certainly are not well-informed in the area of higher education. I am also ignorant in many other areas.

On this occassion, i wish your dd well in her current phase of education in RGS.

God bless and Rgds

:goodpost:

Reply to Stay in Secondary School or go for IP? on Thu, 17 Feb 2011 08:17:19 GMT

INNOVATE — Thu, 17 Feb 2011 08:17:19 GMT

naggo-nitemare:
What's this obsession with president scholarships?

One should choose a school that best suits one's learning pace n style, not for president scholarships. There are many other scholarships out there other than psc and govt related ones tt do not require bonded service.
I find Innovate's analysis of president scholarship selection baseless and tinged with personal bias n skewed beliefs. Laughable n silly.

Thank you for your comment.

In a public forum, as long as i am a participant, i certainly hve to expect some form of crticism from some qtrs for whatsoever reasons no matter how accurate or plausible my arguments are. The impt pt is that i hve presented my arguments with accurate data for the benefits of parents here. Of course there will be disagreedment from some qtrs.

As for personal interest, certainly i do pray that both my kids are able to secure a good scholarship like many parents do. At the end of the day, both may not even make it to the starting line as there are others out there who are more competitive than them. I am thankful to Lord for my kids' competiveness and my family will move on well and are blessed whatever the circumstances will be in this instance. They just hve to congratulate their schoolmates/others and bless them.

Whether you recognise it or not, President and SAF Overseas Merit Scholarships are regarded as the top two in the entire scholarship universe. Both are the most prestigious and hotly contested in each cohort.

From your post, you certainly are not well-informed in the area of higher education. I am also ignorant in many other areas.

On this occassion, i wish your dd well in her current phase of education in RGS.

God bless and Rgds

Reply to Stay in Secondary School or go for IP? on Thu, 17 Feb 2011 04:23:51 GMT

verykiasu2010 — Thu, 17 Feb 2011 04:23:51 GMT

naggo-nitemare:
What's this obsession with president scholarships?

One should choose a school that best suits one's learning pace n style, not for president scholarships. There are many other scholarships out there other than psc and govt related ones tt do not require bonded service.
I find Innovate's analysis of president scholarship selection baseless and tinged with personal bias n skewed beliefs. Laughable n silly.

just did a count at RI's website, in the last 10 years 2001 to 2010, 21 president scholars came from RI/JC....out of a total of how many ? but any way that is beside the point.

cheers !

Reply to Stay in Secondary School or go for IP? on Thu, 17 Feb 2011 04:20:31 GMT

naggo-nitemare — Thu, 17 Feb 2011 04:20:31 GMT

What’s this obsession with president scholarships?

One should choose a school that best suits one’s learning pace n style, not for president scholarships. There are many other scholarships out there other than psc and govt related ones tt do not require bonded service.
I find Innovate’s analysis of president scholarship selection baseless and tinged with personal bias n skewed beliefs. Laughable n silly.

Reply to Stay in Secondary School or go for IP? on Thu, 17 Feb 2011 03:16:49 GMT

INNOVATE — Thu, 17 Feb 2011 03:16:49 GMT

verykiasu2010:
jtoh:
[quote=\"INNOVATE\"]

You didn't misunderstand me, its just that i know the system better.

Of the 8 President scholars, two each were from Cat high, MGS and SCGS, and one each from ACSI and Cedar(up to sec2). They attended jcs namely: ACJC, CJC, HCI, NJC and VJC.

Obviously, the above students had chosen not to study in RI(senior high) for obvious reasons.
Ok, so what you're saying is that the 8 president's scholars who were from non-IP secondary schools went to JCs other than RIJC. Thanks for clarifying.

and the 8 is out of how many over the same period of time ? and IP school has been around for how many years only ?

had not studied in RI meant had chosen not to study there meh ? what kind of deduction is this ? I dare say some of them did not study there was because they could not get in but determined to work hard wherever they went and proven themselves worthy .....

don't think any school dare claim they are the exclusive source of president scholars ... and also in recent years the criteria for emphasis on selection of president scholar has been shifted to focus on certain sectors ..... not sure how true is this hear-say ?? any one please comment ![/quote]
Your message is contradictory. On one hand you have claimed that some of them could't make it to RI cause of their 0-level results, whereas on the other hand, thru their hardwork other jcs are able to mould some of these students into President scholars as if giving the impression that their system are superior to RI. We all know that getting a top scolarship cannot be based on just hardwork alone as innate talents and qualities are equally important. My belief is that if any of these students were to appeal to RI, they would get accepted due to close competitive merits vs-a-vs other successful jae applicants. Outstanding examples two RGS girls crossed over to HCI humanities in recent years had won the President scholarship in years 2003 and 2008. So far no NGHS girl or HCI boy had won this award when crossover to RI.

Selection of PSC scholars has always been much more than academics and outstanding ccas and cip records. The commission is looking for candiates who are willing to serve thats why various tests and interviews are conducted including psychometric test and an interview with a psychologist to weed out opportunists. Of course the system is not entirely perfect cause no system can be 100% perfect. The best of the PSC scholars are then shorlisted again for interviews to be considered for President scholar. This organ of state has shown to be very inclusive and they base their selection entirely on a candiate's total merits and not the candiate's background or which jc he/her is from.

For our ablest students from middle income families who are willing to serve, getting a scholarship is the only wat to attending a top notch university overseas.

Obviously, our top cream 0-level grads must learn to position themselves to win such awards.

Reply to Stay in Secondary School or go for IP? on Thu, 17 Feb 2011 02:39:47 GMT

verykiasu2010 — Thu, 17 Feb 2011 02:39:47 GMT

jtoh:
INNOVATE:
[quote=\"jtoh\"]
Don't quite understand you. Are you saying that 8 president scholars were from non-IP schools and of these none were from RI? As RI is an IP school, it goes that none of these 8 would be from RI right? Or am I misunderstanding you?

You didn't misunderstand me, its just that i know the system better.

Of the 8 President scholars, two each were from Cat high, MGS and SCGS, and one each from ACSI and Cedar(up to sec2). They attended jcs namely: ACJC, CJC, HCI, NJC and VJC.

Obviously, the above students had chosen not to study in RI(senior high) for obvious reasons.

Ok, so what you're saying is that the 8 president's scholars who were from non-IP secondary schools went to JCs other than RIJC. Thanks for clarifying.[/quote]and the 8 is out of how many over the same period of time ? and IP school has been around for how many years only ?

had not studied in RI meant had chosen not to study there meh ? what kind of deduction is this ? I dare say some of them did not study there was because they could not get in but determined to work hard wherever they went and proven themselves worthy .....

don't think any school dare claim they are the exclusive source of president scholars ... and also in recent years the criteria for emphasis on selection of president scholar has been shifted to focus on certain sectors ..... not sure how true is this hear-say ?? any one please comment !

Reply to Stay in Secondary School or go for IP? on Thu, 17 Feb 2011 02:28:53 GMT

jtoh — Thu, 17 Feb 2011 02:28:53 GMT

INNOVATE:
jtoh:
[quote=\"INNOVATE\"]

The answer can be yes or no depending on your circumstances.

Yes if you are not considering a top end scholarship and for the reasons outlined by you.

Yes is also applicable if you are transferring from RI to HCI Humanities programme and aims to study in Oxbridge as a PSC scholar.

No from HCI to RI as much more difficult to land a top leadership position in RI vs-a-vs HCI as you are likely to be out voted by girls/guys from RGS/RI. HCI has shown to be more inclusive in this area.

Over the last ten years, only one student outside RI/RGS family(junior high) managed to win the President scholarship compared to 3 for HCI even though the latter produces less President scholars.

If you scrutinise carefully, there are a total of 8 President scholars that have emerged from non IP schools over the last ten years and none of them had studied in RI.
Don't quite understand you. Are you saying that 8 president scholars were from non-IP schools and of these none were from RI? As RI is an IP school, it goes that none of these 8 would be from RI right? Or am I misunderstanding you?

You didn't misunderstand me, its just that i know the system better.

Of the 8 President scholars, two each were from Cat high, MGS and SCGS, and one each from ACSI and Cedar(up to sec2). They attended jcs namely: ACJC, CJC, HCI, NJC and VJC.

Obviously, the above students had chosen not to study in RI(senior high) for obvious reasons.[/quote]Ok, so what you're saying is that the 8 president's scholars who were from non-IP secondary schools went to JCs other than RIJC. Thanks for clarifying.

Reply to Stay in Secondary School or go for IP? on Thu, 17 Feb 2011 02:11:34 GMT

INNOVATE — Thu, 17 Feb 2011 02:11:34 GMT

jtoh:
INNOVATE:
[quote=\"emerald\"]Would you transfer your child upon finishing sec 4 from a top IP sch of (DW choice) to the JC of another top IP school (DH choice) so that the child could enjoy the best of both worlds?

Regards.

The answer can be yes or no depending on your circumstances.

Yes if you are not considering a top end scholarship and for the reasons outlined by you.

Yes is also applicable if you are transferring from RI to HCI Humanities programme and aims to study in Oxbridge as a PSC scholar.

No from HCI to RI as much more difficult to land a top leadership position in RI vs-a-vs HCI as you are likely to be out voted by girls/guys from RGS/RI. HCI has shown to be more inclusive in this area.

Over the last ten years, only one student outside RI/RGS family(junior high) managed to win the President scholarship compared to 3 for HCI even though the latter produces less President scholars.

If you scrutinise carefully, there are a total of 8 President scholars that have emerged from non IP schools over the last ten years and none of them had studied in RI.

Don't quite understand you. Are you saying that 8 president scholars were from non-IP schools and of these none were from RI? As RI is an IP school, it goes that none of these 8 would be from RI right? Or am I misunderstanding you?[/quote]
You didn't misunderstand me, its just that i know the system better.

Of the 8 President scholars, two each were from Cat high, MGS and SCGS, and one each from ACSI and Cedar(up to sec2). They attended jcs namely: ACJC, CJC, HCI, NJC and VJC.

Obviously, the above students had chosen not to study in RI(senior high) for obvious reasons.

Reply to Stay in Secondary School or go for IP? on Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:39:35 GMT

matrix0405 — Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:39:35 GMT

Don worry abt the president scholars, the politics behind the selection is complex. The elites and underdogs will be represented.

Reply to Stay in Secondary School or go for IP? on Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:20:57 GMT

jtoh — Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:20:57 GMT

INNOVATE:
emerald:
Would you transfer your child upon finishing sec 4 from a top IP sch of (DW choice) to the JC of another top IP school (DH choice) so that the child could enjoy the best of both worlds?

Regards.

The answer can be yes or no depending on your circumstances.

Yes if you are not considering a top end scholarship and for the reasons outlined by you.

Yes is also applicable if you are transferring from RI to HCI Humanities programme and aims to study in Oxbridge as a PSC scholar.

No from HCI to RI as much more difficult to land a top leadership position in RI vs-a-vs HCI as you are likely to be out voted by girls/guys from RGS/RI. HCI has shown to be more inclusive in this area.

Over the last ten years, only one student outside RI/RGS family(junior high) managed to win the President scholarship compared to 3 for HCI even though the latter produces less President scholars.

If you scrutinise carefully, there are a total of 8 President scholars that have emerged from non IP schools over the last ten years and none of them had studied in RI.

Reply to Stay in Secondary School or go for IP? on Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:25:36 GMT

emerald — Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:25:36 GMT

INNOVATE:

The answer can be yes or no depending on your circumstances.

Yes if you are not considering a top end scholarship and for the reasons outlined by you.

Yes is also applicable if you are transferring from RI to HCI Humanities programme and aims to study in Oxbridge as a PSC scholar.

No from HCI to RI as much more difficult to land a top leadership position in RI vs-a-vs HCI as you are likely to be out voted by girls/guys from RGS/RI. HCI has shown to be more inclusive in this area.

Over the last ten years, only one student outside RI/RGS family(junior high) managed to win the President scholarship compared to 3 for HCI even though the latter produces less President scholars.

If you scrutinise carefully, there are a total of 8 President scholars that have emerged from non IP schools over the last ten years and none of them had studied in RI.

Thanks so much for your valuable info.

Reply to Stay in Secondary School or go for IP? on Wed, 16 Feb 2011 07:20:07 GMT

INNOVATE — Wed, 16 Feb 2011 07:20:07 GMT

emerald:
Would you transfer your child upon finishing sec 4 from a top IP sch of (DW choice) to the JC of another top IP school (DH choice) so that the child could enjoy the best of both worlds?

Regards.

The answer can be yes or no depending on your circumstances.

Yes if you are not considering a top end scholarship and for the reasons outlined by you.

Yes is also applicable if you are transferring from RI to HCI Humanities programme and aims to study in Oxbridge as a PSC scholar.

No from HCI to RI as much more difficult to land a top leadership position in RI vs-a-vs HCI as you are likely to be out voted by girls/guys from RGS/RI. HCI has shown to be more inclusive in this area.

Over the last ten years, only one student outside RI/RGS family(junior high) managed to win the President scholarship compared to 3 for HCI even though the latter produces less President scholars.

If you scrutinise carefully, there are a total of 8 President scholars that have emerged from non IP schools over the last ten years and none of them had studied in RI.

Reply to Stay in Secondary School or go for IP? on Wed, 16 Feb 2011 06:34:34 GMT

emerald — Wed, 16 Feb 2011 06:34:34 GMT

Would you transfer your child upon finishing sec 4 from a top IP sch of (DW choice) to the JC of another top IP school (DH choice) so that the child could enjoy the best of both worlds?

Regards.

Reply to Stay in Secondary School or go for IP? on Wed, 16 Feb 2011 03:07:55 GMT

INNOVATE — Wed, 16 Feb 2011 03:07:55 GMT

nani

We are at the wrong frequency. I am referring to jc level.

For sec 2 - IP is more of a decent PSLE T-score plus good sec1/2 results and a contributing member of a cca as nothing to show for leadership as well as clear a selection test/interview.

Outstanding cca/cip records- Exco member of student council or/chairman’vice-chairman of cca, winner of a national competition, national representative in sports or arts, international medallist in maths/science olympias etc plus at least 150 cip hours.

Reply to Stay in Secondary School or go for IP? on Wed, 16 Feb 2011 02:57:31 GMT

nani — Wed, 16 Feb 2011 02:57:31 GMT

INNOVATE:
nani:
[quote=\"INNOVATE\"]phankao

Applicants using a-level as an uni entrance qualification are evaluated base on 3H2 + 1H1 + PW + GP.

Summary of university rank points:

H2 - A-20, B-17.5, C- 15, D-12.5, E- 10.

H1 - A-10, B- 8.75, C-7.5, D- 6.25, E-5

Maximum points= 20+20+20+10+10+10=90

For the most prestigious courses, namely, law and medicine applicants are expected to score 87.5 and above with at least a B for gp plus good cca/cip hours. They are also expected to perform well at the interview.
[u]

Can clarify what is consider good cca/cip hous?

Many thanks

Good cca and cip records - A member of student council, exco position in cca, represented college in competition and completed at least 80 cip hours. This is considered good but nowhere nowhere near outstanding.

Remember must also achieve the required rank points before a student can be called up for an interview.[/quote]

Thanks for the reply. May i then ask what is consider outstanding :?

Btw, how could one completed 80 cip hours at Sec 1? This topic is about entry to IP at Sec 3 right? How can one proof/show the completed cip hours for the application?

Reply to Stay in Secondary School or go for IP? on Wed, 16 Feb 2011 02:40:50 GMT

INNOVATE — Wed, 16 Feb 2011 02:40:50 GMT

nani:
INNOVATE:
phankao

Applicants using a-level as an uni entrance qualification are evaluated base on 3H2 + 1H1 + PW + GP.

Summary of university rank points:

H2 - A-20, B-17.5, C- 15, D-12.5, E- 10.

H1 - A-10, B- 8.75, C-7.5, D- 6.25, E-5

Maximum points= 20+20+20+10+10+10=90

For the most prestigious courses, namely, law and medicine applicants are expected to score 87.5 and above with at least a B for gp plus good cca/cip hours. They are also expected to perform well at the interview.
[u]

Can clarify what is consider good cca/cip hous?

Many thanks

Good cca and cip records - A member of student council, exco position in cca, represented college in competition and completed at least 80 cip hours. This is considered good but nowhere nowhere near outstanding.

Remember must also achieve the required rank points before a student can be called up for an interview.

Reply to Stay in Secondary School or go for IP? on Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:15:28 GMT

nani — Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:15:28 GMT

INNOVATE:
phankao

Applicants using a-level as an uni entrance qualification are evaluated base on 3H2 + 1H1 + PW + GP.

Summary of university rank points:

H2 - A-20, B-17.5, C- 15, D-12.5, E- 10.

H1 - A-10, B- 8.75, C-7.5, D- 6.25, E-5

Maximum points= 20+20+20+10+10+10=90

For the most prestigious courses, namely, law and medicine applicants are expected to score 87.5 and above with at least a B for gp plus good cca/cip hours. They are also expected to perform well at the interview.

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Can clarify what is consider good cca/cip hous?

Many thanks