<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[p6 math assessment book vs past year school papers]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Hello everyone,<br /><br /><br />Sometime ago, am facing some problem with the above with my child.<br /><br />I noticed, if I give him an assessment books with challenging problem, he can take three hours just to do ten questions.I dont know why.<br /><br />If I give him top past year school papers to do, he can finish it in an hour, as in paper two.<br /><br />Check wif parents here, do u face the same prob?My child prefer to do exam paper than assessment <a href="http://book.Is" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow ugc">book.Is</a> it cos the topical consisits of all one kind of questions, and it bores him?<br /><br />The latest was doing the chapter 9 of onsponge math, every question is correct but he dragged doing it and take a long long time…<br /><br />Thks.<br /><br /><br />rgds<br />Leanne</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/topic/18954/p6-math-assessment-book-vs-past-year-school-papers</link><generator>RSS for Node</generator><lastBuildDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2026 13:44:35 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://forum.kiasuparents.com/topic/18954.rss" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><pubDate>Sat, 05 Feb 2011 07:52:07 GMT</pubDate><ttl>60</ttl><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to p6 math assessment book vs past year school papers on Fri, 05 Apr 2013 06:26:55 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I realise many parents have downloaded the other school exam papers and I would like to offer my 2 cents which may help parents use them more effectively.<br /><br /><br />There are various ways to use them and it is more effective once you to know your objective.<br /><br />Do not dive into it or do not allow your child to dive into it without knowing what outcome you want to achieve. <br /><br /><b><b>There are 4 objectives</b></b> (of course there are more depending on the different needs of parents and children):<br /><br /><b><b>1. Are you preparing your child for exam condition?</b></b> (assuming he knows every single concept very well and is so ready to sit for a mock exam paper.)<br /><br /><b><b>2. Are you exposing your child to more various questions of a particular concept?</b></b> (If yes, what kind of concept?)<br /><br /><b><b>3. Are you training your child on speed?</b></b> (If yes, are you tracking how much time he needs to do each question?)<br /><br /><b><b>4. Are you training your child on accuracy? </b></b>(if yes, how are you equipping your child with the skill of self-checking? Children have to master the skill of checking their own work so that they can instantly spot any error.)<br /><br />The common practice for anyone who got hold of the top school papers is to do from page 1 to the last page within the given time.<br /><br />Well, I supposed this will work and will indeed work very well for some children.<br /><br />However, for the other cases, some children will still have some concepts which are either unclear or misunderstood. And the more they do, the more they get stressed and confused and anxious...and their confidence drops drastically once they see many questions answered wrongly and they wonder why.<br /><br />My suggestion is to focus on one objective first.<br /><br /><b><b>And that will be #2, working on the concepts first and solidifying the foundations.</b></b><br /><br />Yes! <u><u>Selected questions from top school papers</u></u> will help your child strive because once you are able to pick out the concept that your child needs help in, you will then be able to select and group questions based on that concept.<br /><br />#3 and #4 will come after that.<br /><br />And then #2 is the last one...most probably a week or two before the major exams or tests...in fact anytime, as long as you know your child is ready.<br /><br />John</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/980879</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/980879</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[JohnYeo]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 05 Apr 2013 06:26:55 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to p6 math assessment book vs past year school papers on Mon, 18 Feb 2013 04:11:00 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><b>ladeline28:</b><blockquote style="border:1px solid black">Hi all,<br /><br /><br />I downloaded the softcopy of 2011 sch exam papers but realized that there are no answer sheets.  Can anyone who has the softcopy of the 2011 answers share them with me?  I would really appreciate the help. Thanks in advance.</blockquote></blockquote>A nice parent has already helped me.<br /><br />Thanks anyway.<p></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/958023</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/958023</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[ladeline28]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 04:11:00 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to p6 math assessment book vs past year school papers on Mon, 18 Feb 2013 01:45:44 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Hi all,<br /><br /><br />I downloaded the softcopy of 2011 sch exam papers but realized that there are no answer sheets.  Can anyone who has the softcopy of the 2011 answers share them with me?  I would really appreciate the help. Thanks in advance.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/957940</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/957940</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[ladeline28]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 01:45:44 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to p6 math assessment book vs past year school papers on Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:33:20 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><b>janet_lee88:</b><blockquote style="border:1px solid black">For Math, son's tutor used her materials to teach. She also has questions in worksheets using her Math strategies to practise. However, that is insufficient. Past year papers have different types of questions. Son has almost completed all the exam papers from 2011. <br /><br /><br />Same goes for Science. Assessment books have 'standard' way of testing...but when students face exams, these questions can be twisted to ask in another way. So, for Math &amp; Science, I feel that past year papers are necessary. But do not take answers provided as accurate.</blockquote></blockquote>Yes, The answer for exam paper can be wrong sometimes, although 99% of the time is correct but sometimes they make mistakes. DS tutor uses exams papers and her materials to get them remember certain things that are hard to remember. <br /><br />But she also uses science assessment books to get them practice at home too. Realize that they need to do a lot of practices to expose themselves to all the different questions which can be twisted around.<br /><br />I think both are important.<p></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/920123</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/920123</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[AdonciaTang]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:33:20 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to p6 math assessment book vs past year school papers on Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:38:24 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">For Math, son’s tutor used her materials to teach. She also has questions in worksheets using her Math strategies to practise. However, that is insufficient. Past year papers have different types of questions. Son has almost completed all the exam papers from 2011. <br /><br /><br />Same goes for Science. Assessment books have ‘standard’ way of testing…but when students face exams, these questions can be twisted to ask in another way. So, for Math &amp; Science, I feel that past year papers are necessary. But do not take answers provided as accurate.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/877679</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/877679</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[janet88]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:38:24 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to p6 math assessment book vs past year school papers on Tue, 16 Oct 2012 08:29:10 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>what about science? please help me shed some light on what i should give my child, science assessment book or science test papers. my child is taking psle next year, so im just curious to know. <img src="https://forum.kiasuparents.com/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f602.png?v=f4f27f6278e" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--joy" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":joy:" alt="😂" /></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/877560</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/877560</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[KiasuMax]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 08:29:10 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to p6 math assessment book vs past year school papers on Thu, 27 Oct 2011 03:28:13 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">hi, i need to get the past year top school exam paper for my p4 and p6, i prefer to buy hardcopy, can anyone recommend me a vendor that will do home delivery?</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/620355</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/620355</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[concern_mum]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 03:28:13 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to p6 math assessment book vs past year school papers on Tue, 09 Aug 2011 03:42:05 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><b>atutor2001:</b><blockquote style="border:1px solid black">Hi teh oh<br /><br /><br />Just some personal opinion that I thought may be useful.  I feel that the current emphasis on heuristic in Pr sch is not good for the kids.  Many kids have to struggle through simple mathematical methods such as algebraic manipulation or solving simultaneous equations in sec school.  What is worse is that their presentation of the solution is so bad that till O level, many still could not get out of the primary school habits.  They ended up getting only a C although they have got most of their answers correct because they got zero marks for their working.  For example, for a 3 mark question, a student will only get 1 mark (for correct answer) if their presentation is not acceptable.   I understand that now, sec schools are very strict on presentation.<br /><br /><br />So I think it may be good to teach them to accept mathematical methods at Pr sch and present the solution in a proper mathematical way.   <br /><br />Cheers</blockquote></blockquote>Hi atutor2001<br /><br />Thank you for sharing your experience.<br /><br />I do notice DD starts using Simultaneous Equations to solve some of the fraction or percentage questions.  <br /><br />Think this will help her when she goes to Secondary School next year.<p></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/535116</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/535116</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Brenda10]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2011 03:42:05 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to p6 math assessment book vs past year school papers on Mon, 08 Aug 2011 15:23:33 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Hi teh oh<br /><br /><br />Just some personal opinion that I thought may be useful.  I feel that the current emphasis on heuristic in Pr sch is not good for the kids.  Many kids have to struggle through simple mathematical methods such as algebraic manipulation or solving simultaneous equations in sec school.  What is worse is that their presentation of the solution is so bad that till O level, many still could not get out of the primary school habits.  They ended up getting only a C although they have got most of their answers correct because they got zero marks for their working.  For example, for a 3 mark question, a student will only get 1 mark (for correct answer) if their presentation is not acceptable.   I understand that now, sec schools are very strict on presentation.<br /><br />So I think it may be good to teach them to accept mathematical methods at Pr sch and present the solution in a proper mathematical way.   <br /><br />Cheers</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/534690</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/534690</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[atutor2001]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 15:23:33 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to p6 math assessment book vs past year school papers on Mon, 08 Aug 2011 14:02:51 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><b>atutor2001:</b><blockquote style="border:1px solid black"><br />I once tried out with a nephew (an intelligent but playful boy) by practising a particular question type.  Later, I gave him only 2 pages of exam paper with one similar question inside.  He couldn't do it.  When I show him the exercises he had done earlier, he then went ohhh.. and proceeded to solve it.  I concluded that if the heart is not \"bothered or interested\", a few practices alone, is not enough.<br /><br />Cheers</blockquote></blockquote>Hi atutor2001,<br />Sounds like my child. If the advance methods listed in the Problem Solving books are not called for in the school's heuristic syllabus as yet, he will learn (from me) and then forget as soon as he finished the few exercises. If that particular type of  question came out a few times in the past year paper and after getting 1-2 times wrong, he will get \"bothered or interested\" and remember the steps from then on.  :roll:<p></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/534505</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/534505</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[teh_oh]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 14:02:51 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to p6 math assessment book vs past year school papers on Mon, 08 Aug 2011 12:46:57 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">I get my son to skim assessment books. He did 2 questions from each sub-unit in Onsponge and he went through the whole book in 1 week of the school hols. I figure that his time is more important than the money I paid for the book so I don’t make him do everything. Once he gets it, he can play. This motivates him to get it quickly and does not send his brain to sleep with repetitive practice.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/534392</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/534392</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Chenonceau]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 12:46:57 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to p6 math assessment book vs past year school papers on Mon, 08 Aug 2011 08:26:07 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><b>teh_oh:</b><blockquote style="border:1px solid black"><br />....I use assessment book as additional practices for weak areas identified using past year papers. <br />.....while questions in assessment books are either too difficult (referring to application questions that may not be so prevalent in P3 standard yet) or too dry. Wonder if the same will apply to P6.</blockquote></blockquote>Hi teh oh<br /><br />There will be a great jump in the degree of difficulty for problem sum at P5 and it is also the turning point where kids who are weak in math give up.  So I think it is good to expose children to more difficult questions at P3 and P4 - a kind of mental preparation for what can be expected in future.  <br /><br />However, the difficulty we face in practicing with assessment books is that only hardworking children will bother to remember and apply the method learned for future questions in exam paper.  Playful ones simply forget everything after each practice or couldn't recognise the same type of question when it is mixed with other questions in an exam paper.  <br /><br />I once tried out with a nephew (an intelligent but playful boy) by practising a particular question type.  Later, I gave him only 2 pages of exam paper with one similar question inside.  He couldn't do it.  When I show him the exercises he had done earlier, he then went ohhh.. and proceeded to solve it.  I concluded that if the heart is not \"bothered or interested\", a few practices alone, is not enough.<br /><br />Cheers<p></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/534061</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/534061</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[atutor2001]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 08:26:07 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to p6 math assessment book vs past year school papers on Mon, 08 Aug 2011 05:25:17 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><b>atutor2001:</b><blockquote style="border:1px solid black">If my child love to do assessment book or do well only in assessment book and does not like doing pass year paper, I am worried.<br /><br /><br />If my child love to do pass year papers and can do well, I feel comforted.<br /><br />Assessment book is designed to \"repeat\" - by topics or question types.  The objective is to make the child understand or if not, at least remember the steps.  It is actually not useful in my opinion because the only group of kids who would benefit from such method are kids who are slow in learning but extremely hardworking.  Playful boys will simply repeat the steps and all will be forgotten the moment the exercise is over.  Intelligent kids will find such an approach unbearable.</blockquote></blockquote><br /><br />Thank you for sharing.<br /><br />We focus more on past year papers and use assessment book as a reference when learning new math method like simultaneous etc<p></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/533603</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/533603</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Brenda10]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 05:25:17 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to p6 math assessment book vs past year school papers on Mon, 08 Aug 2011 02:13:18 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>Hi atutor2001,<br /><br /><br />Thanks for the feedback.I agreed with you.<br /><br /><br />Regards<br />Lenny <br /></p><blockquote><b>atutor2001:</b><blockquote style="border:1px solid black">If my child love to do assessment book or do well only in assessment book and does not like doing pass year paper, I am worried.<br /><br />If my child love to do pass year papers and can do well, I feel comforted.<br /><br />Assessment book is designed to \"repeat\" - by topics or question types.  The objective is to make the child understand or if not, at least remember the steps.  It is actually not useful in my opinion because the only group of kids who would benefit from such method are kids who are slow in learning but extremely hardworking.  Playful boys will simply repeat the steps and all will be forgotten the moment the exercise is over.  Intelligent kids will find such an approach unbearable.</blockquote></blockquote><p></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/533234</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/533234</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Lenny08]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 02:13:18 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to p6 math assessment book vs past year school papers on Mon, 08 Aug 2011 02:08:47 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><b>atutor2001:</b><blockquote style="border:1px solid black">If my child love to do assessment book or do well only in assessment book and does not like doing pass year paper, I am worried.<br /><br /><br />If my child love to do pass year papers and can do well, I feel comforted.<br /><br />Assessment book is designed to \"repeat\" - by topics or question types.  The objective is to make the child understand or if not, at least remember the steps.  It is actually not useful in my opinion because the only group of kids who would benefit from such method are kids who are slow in learning but extremely hardworking.  Playful boys will simply repeat the steps and all will be forgotten the moment the exercise is over.  Intelligent kids will find such an approach unbearable.</blockquote></blockquote>Hi atutor2001,<br />My child is not in P6, but except for chinese language (because he can only do it when being taught that lesson, so I cannot use past year papers effectively so assessment books are pretty good for rote learning in this case), I use assessment book as additional practices for weak areas identified using past year papers. To my child, questions in past year papers are more varied and interesting while questions in assessment books are either too difficult (referring to application questions that may not be so prevalent in P3 standard yet) or too dry. Wonder if the same will apply to P6.<p></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/533228</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/533228</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[teh_oh]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 02:08:47 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to p6 math assessment book vs past year school papers on Mon, 08 Aug 2011 01:19:58 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">If my child love to do assessment book or do well only in assessment book and does not like doing pass year paper, I am worried.<br /><br /><br />If my child love to do pass year papers and can do well, I feel comforted.<br /><br />Assessment book is designed to "repeat" - by topics or question types.  The objective is to make the child understand or if not, at least remember the steps.  It is actually not useful in my opinion because the only group of kids who would benefit from such method are kids who are slow in learning but extremely hardworking.  Playful boys will simply repeat the steps and all will be forgotten the moment the exercise is over.  Intelligent kids will find such an approach unbearable.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/533092</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/533092</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[atutor2001]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 01:19:58 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to p6 math assessment book vs past year school papers on Sun, 07 Aug 2011 14:33:45 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Thank Saralala for the website…<br /><br /><br />My boy is taking PSLE soon but no mood to study. buy many books for him but he never even touch. Hope the fun part can get him to do more revision.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/532690</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/532690</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[susantmy]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 14:33:45 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to p6 math assessment book vs past year school papers on Sat, 06 Aug 2011 13:44:29 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>hi all,<br /><br /><br />I find the PSLE Math assessment book by Publisher Cosmic is one of the better ones.  I feel that it is rather worth the money due to the numerous questions.  EPB do have good books too.   <br /><br />I feel that one assessment must be coupled with past year school papers as past year school papers can be rather tough and interesting at times.<br /><br />For those who are more tech savvy, I find <a href="http://www.witsvale.com">http://www.witsvale.com</a>.  Tried letting my son use it and he told me that it was fun because he get to gain points, collect badges as he improves and he can interact with friends.<br /><br />Hope this helps.<br /><br /> <img src="https://forum.kiasuparents.com/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f604.png?v=f4f27f6278e" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--smile" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":smile:" alt="😄" /></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/531538</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/531538</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Saralala]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2011 13:44:29 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to p6 math assessment book vs past year school papers on Wed, 04 May 2011 11:55:33 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>You are good.  :salute: <br /><br /><br />As for my dd, she will do 2009 and 2010 top school exam papers. Any 'dun know' questions or wrong answer she have to seek help from her teachers or tutors. Simply put it that I want her to be independent in seeking answers rather than spoon fed. <br /><br />So far so good.<br /><br /></p><blockquote><b>Chenonceau:</b><blockquote style="border:1px solid black">My take on the Top School Exams VS Assessment Books is...<br /><br />(1) Top School exams are good diagnostic tools to highlight topics we need to cover or strengthen. <br /><br />(2) Top School exams (in the past 2 years at least) seem to give a good approximation of the level of difficulty of my son's school exams (give or take some)<br /><br />(3) Assessment books come in useful after the diagnosis. I dun buy any English nor Science assessment books because there are other more fun ways to teach these 2 subjects. <u><u><b><b>For Science</b></b></u></u>, I used to read Horrible Science books with my son... and we indulge in his love for experiments. However, there are drawbacks. Once, he tried to build a mini Tesla coil and almost set our house on fire. Another time, he was studying mould growth on chitin and I found a tarantula in a box all covered with furry fungus. And then there was the time he was breeding mealworm beetles. I strenuously objected when he wanted to see what would happen to his skin if unwashed for 1 month. This way of teaching Science is fun and builds scientific thinking skills. He is now quite independent in experimental design. He wanted to know why birds sitting on electric wires don't get roasted, and he went and concocted an experiment with light bulbs, controls etc to get his answer. <span style="\&quot;color:"><u><u><b><b>I was actually quite amazed because I didn't help him at all. However, we built these skills in P3 and P4. So P3 and P4 parents may wanna steer away from assessment books and build these foundational scientific thinking skills by doing practical experiments.</b></b></u></u></span> I realize I have an advantage here because even a social scientist (I am a psychologist) is trained in scientific thinking so all this came naturally to us. However, there are many many \"101 Fun Experiments\" type of books that explain each step etc... and the more you do these experiments, the easier and more natural it'll be to internalize scientific thinking skills. Dun need to get too serious. A lot of learning can be unconscious. In fact, I never really explained to my son scientific thinking, I just did simple experiments with him... giggle about the effects, and then later, he was on auto-pilot. So... you dun have to be a scientist to teach science. <br /><br /><u><u><b><b>For English </b></b></u></u>we let him read. He is currently reading a book by Howard Gardner called the Science of Fear... and another book on The History of Money. He also likes Time magazine. Last year, I channelled him to fiction but I realize that PSLE has a fair amount of non-fiction compre-clozes so we've been reading more non-fiction this year. There was a happy side effect too because my boy enjoys non-fiction more than fiction. We only really work hard on compo writing for English. He does one compo every week for me. These methods gave him a good grounding (and all by himself, he had already progressed beyond his level) in P3 and P4 so these 2 subjects worry me least. In a way, he pre-taught himself. All I did was shop for stuff he wanted to buy.<br /><br />(4) For Math, I had one topical assessment book in P3 and P4. Step-by-step by Simon Eio. Once he has completed the topics required for SA1, I give him Top School papers. This year (P5) we lost our footing because the Step-by-Step Simon Eio book covered the basic topics without the complex skills. I didn't know these complex skills were needed because we had only identified topic gaps when we did a diagnostic earlier this year. So... I now use Onsponge to teach topic and skills. For the moment, I have completely stopped Top School Exams because we already have a diagnostic, and until he has completed Onsponge, he is not ready for exam drills. This is a departure from our normal practice because his work schedule in the past 2 years always involves Top School Exam drills (dry runs that teach him to manage time and exam techniques) 6 weeks before exams. <u><u><b><b>But Top School Exam drills are no point if there are questions asking for stuff he has not been taught.</b></b></u></u> It is demoralizing to do and score exam practices and run into stuff that has not been taught. <span style="\&quot;color:"><u><u><b><b>When he does exam practices, I wanna be sure that he knows enough so that he gets a good grade because good grades at exam practices build confidence and gives pleasure (and studying must be pleasurable). No doubt studying isn't all fun but if I can engineer a positive experience to make him feel good about studying, I do that. So, I am shelving the Top School Exams for the moment.</b></b></u></u></span><br /><br />I notice that P5 SA1, P5 SA2, P6 SA1 and P6 SA2 are all of pretty equivalent difficulty. In effect, P5 SA1 paper is 90% of a PSLE paper. There's no way to do well at any of these practices right now (for us)... even if we do a lotta it simply because skills tested have not yet been covered. Hence, I have decided that I won't give him Top School exams to do until he has covered all the topics reasonably thoroughly. <br /><br /><u><u><b><b>Maybe he'll be ready by Aug this year? I dunno... This PSLE thing has thrown us so many curved balls since the start of the year that I am not sure of myself anymore. </b></b></u></u>That may be good because no matter how experienced the mother, <u><u><b><b>pride goes before a fall</b></b></u></u>... one mustn't believe that one knows everything about motherhood and become complacent. I guess I'll just have to make it up as I go along... and pick up some ideas from parents here.</blockquote></blockquote><p></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/412957</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/412957</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[canadataboo]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 11:55:33 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to p6 math assessment book vs past year school papers on Sun, 17 Apr 2011 12:45:12 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><b>QuiteKSMum:</b><blockquote style="border:1px solid black"><br />DS didn't skip any MCQ qns in the papers - he enjoyed doing them! Definitely by upper pri, besides accuracy, speed also plays an impt part; even in paper 1 (50 mins - need to do 10 1 mk MCQ, 5 2 mks MCQ, 10 1 mk short problem sum, 5 2 mks short prob sum - avg 1.67 min per sum). Hence, IMO, practising Paper 1 consistently will help to build up his speed too. Just my 2 cts (as I did minimal Maths with him, DH guided him...). :celebrate:</blockquote></blockquote>Hi QuiteKSMum,<br />Thanks for this highlight. Will continue to get him to do MCQ but will try to see if he can do it in 'record' time with minimal mistakes.<p></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/401834</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/401834</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[teh_oh]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2011 12:45:12 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to p6 math assessment book vs past year school papers on Sun, 17 Apr 2011 03:00:06 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>My take on the Top School Exams VS Assessment Books is...<br /><br /><br />(1) Top School exams are good diagnostic tools to highlight topics we need to cover or strengthen. <br /><br />(2) Top School exams (in the past 2 years at least) seem to give a good approximation of the level of difficulty of my son's school exams (give or take some)<br /><br />(3) Assessment books come in useful after the diagnosis. I dun buy any English nor Science assessment books because there are other more fun ways to teach these 2 subjects. <u><u><b><b>For Science</b></b></u></u>, I used to read Horrible Science books with my son... and we indulge in his love for experiments. However, there are drawbacks. Once, he tried to build a mini Tesla coil and almost set our house on fire. Another time, he was studying mould growth on chitin and I found a tarantula in a box all covered with furry fungus. And then there was the time he was breeding mealworm beetles. I strenuously objected when he wanted to see what would happen to his skin if unwashed for 1 month. This way of teaching Science is fun and builds scientific thinking skills. He is now quite independent in experimental design. He wanted to know why birds sitting on electric wires don't get roasted, and he went and concocted an experiment with light bulbs, controls etc to get his answer. <span style="\&quot;color:"><u><u><b><b>I was actually quite amazed because I didn't help him at all. However, we built these skills in P3 and P4. So P3 and P4 parents may wanna steer away from assessment books and build these foundational scientific thinking skills by doing practical experiments.</b></b></u></u></span> I realize I have an advantage here because even a social scientist (I am a psychologist) is trained in scientific thinking so all this came naturally to us. However, there are many many \"101 Fun Experiments\" type of books that explain each step etc... and the more you do these experiments, the easier and more natural it'll be to internalize scientific thinking skills. Dun need to get too serious. A lot of learning can be unconscious. In fact, I never really explained to my son scientific thinking, I just did simple experiments with him... giggle about the effects, and then later, he was on auto-pilot. So... you dun have to be a scientist to teach science. <br /><br /><u><u><b><b>For English </b></b></u></u>we let him read. He is currently reading a book by Howard Gardner called the Science of Fear... and another book on The History of Money. He also likes Time magazine. Last year, I channelled him to fiction but I realize that PSLE has a fair amount of non-fiction compre-clozes so we've been reading more non-fiction this year. There was a happy side effect too because my boy enjoys non-fiction more than fiction. We only really work hard on compo writing for English. He does one compo every week for me. These methods gave him a good grounding (and all by himself, he had already progressed beyond his level) in P3 and P4 so these 2 subjects worry me least. In a way, he pre-taught himself. All I did was shop for stuff he wanted to buy.<br /><br />(4) For Math, I had one topical assessment book in P3 and P4. Step-by-step by Simon Eio. Once he has completed the topics required for SA1, I give him Top School papers. This year (P5) we lost our footing because the Step-by-Step Simon Eio book covered the basic topics without the complex skills. I didn't know these complex skills were needed because we had only identified topic gaps when we did a diagnostic earlier this year. So... I now use Onsponge to teach topic and skills. For the moment, I have completely stopped Top School Exams because we already have a diagnostic, and until he has completed Onsponge, he is not ready for exam drills. This is a departure from our normal practice because his work schedule in the past 2 years always involves Top School Exam drills (dry runs that teach him to manage time and exam techniques) 6 weeks before exams. <u><u><b><b>But Top School Exam drills are no point if there are questions asking for stuff he has not been taught.</b></b></u></u> It is demoralizing to do and score exam practices and run into stuff that has not been taught. <span style="\&quot;color:"><u><u><b><b>When he does exam practices, I wanna be sure that he knows enough so that he gets a good grade because good grades at exam practices build confidence and gives pleasure (and studying must be pleasurable). No doubt studying isn't all fun but if I can engineer a positive experience to make him feel good about studying, I do that. So, I am shelving the Top School Exams for the moment.</b></b></u></u></span><br /><br />I notice that P5 SA1, P5 SA2, P6 SA1 and P6 SA2 are all of pretty equivalent difficulty. In effect, P5 SA1 paper is 90% of a PSLE paper. There's no way to do well at any of these practices right now (for us)... even if we do a lotta it simply because skills tested have not yet been covered. Hence, I have decided that I won't give him Top School exams to do until he has covered all the topics reasonably thoroughly. <br /><br /><u><u><b><b>Maybe he'll be ready by Aug this year? I dunno... This PSLE thing has thrown us so many curved balls since the start of the year that I am not sure of myself anymore. </b></b></u></u>That may be good because no matter how experienced the mother, <u><u><b><b>pride goes before a fall</b></b></u></u>... one mustn't believe that one knows everything about motherhood and become complacent. I guess I'll just have to make it up as I go along... and pick up some ideas from parents here.</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/401588</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/401588</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Chenonceau]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2011 03:00:06 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to p6 math assessment book vs past year school papers on Sun, 17 Apr 2011 00:34:05 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><b>QuiteKSMum:</b><blockquote style="border:1px solid black"><b><b>Brenda10 wrote:</b></b>[quote]Need your advice as your ds had gone through the PSLE last year. We also doing purely in past year papers and would you think that is sufficient if dd don't have much problem with it?<br /></blockquote></blockquote>Hi Brenda10,<br /><br />Wow, if your daughter doesn't have much problem with past yr papers, then I think her std is v.high alrdy! Think my son when attempting past yrs' papers only scored ard 80s, sometimes even 70s for some tough papers.<br /><br />But we still bought q. a few Maths Ass Bks 4 him ( mostly bought during P5 Dec hols Pop Fest - when panic buttons were really pressed! ). I noticed most of the bks were only partially done - mostly less than 50% done. So, IMHO, maybe just get 1 or 2 to supplement ( since now alrdy Apr) - to focus on her \"problematic\" areas ( if any...). Just my 2 cts.  :celebrate:[/quote]Hi QuiteKSMum<br /><br />Noted with thanks.<br /><br />Her standard is slightly above average lah. We use to KIV those that she has problem and will visit them again.<br /><br />We have a few assessment books on hand and will focus on her problematic area as per your advise.<br /><br />Wish you a nice weekend. :celebrate:<p></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/401524</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/401524</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Brenda10]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2011 00:34:05 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to p6 math assessment book vs past year school papers on Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:06:39 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><b><b>teh_oh wrote :</b></b>[quote]However, at P3 standards (foundation stages), most mistakes made are mainly due to carelessness (somehow, most papers that he has attempted does not have Heuristic questions at P3). Bought a problem sum book (it's on offer!) to supplement and hopefully can find time to utilise them. For past yr papers, is it 'safe' to skip MCQ portion if the child has consistently done well for this section? Don't want to increase his 'workload' yet as he is still in P3.[/quote]<br />Hi teh_oh,<br /><br />Hmm... P3 ... let me try to recall... Rem DS was q.careless in P1/P2 . Quite a lot of marks (&gt;10 mks) were lost due to carelessness. What I did when I went thru the papers with him was to identify qns with marks lost due to carelessness &amp; add up all the marks. Showed him the marks he could have scored if he had been more careful. This somehow \"motivated\" him to be more careful...so that he could reach the \"careful\" mks.<br /><br />When I asked him to check his papers upon completion, he always said he had checked - but his checking was simply to flip thru the pages and make sure everything's done. Never go into the details at all! So told  him how to check...slowly his level of carelessness decreased.<br /><br />Also, think some kids when they check, they only checked their ans. However, I think it's also impt to read thru the qns again. If at the onset, qns were read wrongly/misinterpretated (esp for Paper 2 problem sums), then your ans will definitely be wrong alrdy (maybe some method mks would be given where relevant)...<br /><br />DS didn't skip any MCQ qns in the papers - he enjoyed doing them! Definitely by upper pri, besides accuracy, speed also plays an impt part; even in paper 1 (50 mins - need to do 10 1 mk MCQ, 5 2 mks MCQ, 10 1 mk short problem sum, 5 2 mks short prob sum - avg 1.67 min per sum). Hence, IMO, practising Paper 1 consistently will help to build up his speed too. Just my 2 cts (as I did minimal Maths with him, DH guided him...). :celebrate:</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/401464</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/401464</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[QuiteKSMum]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 17:06:39 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to p6 math assessment book vs past year school papers on Sat, 16 Apr 2011 14:25:22 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><b>QuiteKSMum:</b><blockquote style="border:1px solid black"><b><b>Brenda10 wrote:</b></b>[quote]Need your advice as your ds had gone through the PSLE last year. We also doing purely in past year papers and would you think that is sufficient if dd don't have much problem with it?<br /></blockquote></blockquote>Hi Brenda10,<br /><br />Wow, if your daughter doesn't have much problem with past yr papers, then I think her std is v.high alrdy! Think my son when attempting past yrs' papers only scored ard 80s, sometimes even 70s for some tough papers.<br /><br />But we still bought q. a few Maths Ass Bks 4 him ( mostly bought during P5 Dec hols Pop Fest - when panic buttons were really pressed! ). I noticed most of the bks were only partially done - mostly less than 50% done. So, IMHO, maybe just get 1 or 2 to supplement ( since now alrdy Apr) - to focus on her \"problematic\" areas ( if any...). Just my 2 cts.  :celebrate:[/quote]Hi QuiteKSMum,<br />Thanks for sharing. I gave my P3 child mainly past year papers to work on too because he spends a long time on assessment book (last year). However, at P3 standards (foundation stages), most mistakes made are mainly due to carelessness (somehow, most papers that he has attempted does not have Heuristic questions at P3). Bought a problem sum book (it's on offer!) to supplement and hopefully can find time to utilise them. For past yr papers, is it 'safe' to skip MCQ portion if the child has consistently done well for this section? Don't want to increase his 'workload' yet as he is still in P3.<p></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/401401</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/401401</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[teh_oh]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 14:25:22 GMT</pubDate></item></channel></rss>