Kiasu society--> kiasu child--> death & tragedy

Reply to Kiasu society--> kiasu child--> death & tragedy on Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:49:15 GMT

corneyAmber — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:49:15 GMT

Funz:
:?

How did this thread become a war movie review thread?

Oh well. I hate war movies. DH loves them. He has a collection of them. Band of brothers. Apocolypto, 300, platoon.....

10 mins into apocolypto and I raised the white flag.

I prefer action adventure. X-Men, transformers, fast & furious, mummy, pirates, lord of the rings.

Let's start a thread on movies.

Reply to Kiasu society--> kiasu child--> death & tragedy on Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:46:52 GMT

Funz — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:46:52 GMT

:?

How did this thread become a war movie review thread?

Oh well. I hate war movies. DH loves them. He has a collection of them. Band of brothers. Apocolypto, 300, platoon.....

10 mins into apocolypto and I raised the white flag.

I prefer action adventure. X-Men, transformers, fast & furious, mummy, pirates, lord of the rings.

Reply to Kiasu society--> kiasu child--> death & tragedy on Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:09:46 GMT

3Boys — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:09:46 GMT

Valkyrie is good!

Reply to Kiasu society--> kiasu child--> death & tragedy on Tue, 06 Oct 2009 09:25:53 GMT

winth — Tue, 06 Oct 2009 09:25:53 GMT

schellen:
Actually wanted to try the \"Letters from Iwo Jima(?)\" but never got around to it. Wanted to try \"Valkyrie\" too but after checking on reviews, sashimi and I decided not to. I did watch \"Schindler's List\" but I can't remember much about it. Probably time to watch again if I can find a copy.

So can just give Valkyrie a miss lar. That's good.

Actually, I had begged DH to watch Changeling with me (not exactly war movie lar), but we missed it. Just reading the synopsis alone made me tear.

Reply to Kiasu society--> kiasu child--> death & tragedy on Sat, 03 Oct 2009 00:32:25 GMT

schellen — Sat, 03 Oct 2009 00:32:25 GMT

ChiefKiasu:
Don't miss Letters from Iwo Jima. And I'm sure you've already watched Enemy At The Gates, which is mostly factual with a bit of relevant dramatization. Pearl Harbor is pure BS, don't bother with it.

Oooh, now you make me wanna hunt down the DVD already. :drool: Hmm, Enemy at the Gates huh? Will check out the reviews and plot first cos can't remember anything about it except the title. Thanks for confirming my thought that Pearl Harbor was BS. (I think it's cos I don't like those sweeping epic love stories, war or no war.)

Er, we're really OT liao. :oops:

Reply to Kiasu society--> kiasu child--> death & tragedy on Sat, 03 Oct 2009 00:26:24 GMT

ChiefKiasu — Sat, 03 Oct 2009 00:26:24 GMT

schellen:
... Actually wanted to try the \"Letters from Iwo Jima(?)\" but never got around to it. Wanted to try \"Valkyrie\" too but after checking on reviews, sashimi and I decided not to....

Dunno why though, never got the urge to watch \"Pearl Harbor\", even now. :?

Don't miss Letters from Iwo Jima. And I'm sure you've already watched Enemy At The Gates, which is mostly factual with a bit of relevant dramatization. Pearl Harbor is pure BS, don't bother with it.

Reply to Kiasu society--> kiasu child--> death & tragedy on Sat, 03 Oct 2009 00:20:42 GMT

schellen — Sat, 03 Oct 2009 00:20:42 GMT

I actually like war movies leh, if they are done properly. That means be truthful or as truthful as it can be, have good plot, don't trivialise and effects and emotions are realistic.

\"Saving Private Ryan\" is one of my favourites. (My favourites aren't only war stuff, of course; I also like \"Little Women\". )

Actually wanted to try the \"Letters from Iwo Jima(?)\" but never got around to it. Wanted to try \"Valkyrie\" too but after checking on reviews, sashimi and I decided not to. I did watch \"Schindler's List\" but I can't remember much about it. Probably time to watch again if I can find a copy.

Dunno why though, never got the urge to watch \"Pearl Harbor\", even now. :?

Reply to Kiasu society--> kiasu child--> death & tragedy on Fri, 02 Oct 2009 08:29:47 GMT

daisyt — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 08:29:47 GMT

winth:
Ya, I don't understand why DH and DS1 are so glued to those war scenes with dying people, bombings and bloodshed. It's quite scary when I visualise the pain that they go through.

Actually hor, when comes to the bloodshed scenes, we (DH, DD and me) would cover our eyes. Hahahah ... too timid to watch these scenes but like the storyline.

Reply to Kiasu society--> kiasu child--> death & tragedy on Fri, 02 Oct 2009 08:24:51 GMT

corneyAmber — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 08:24:51 GMT

Oh yes, you people are reviving my memories on war movies…

"Pearl Harbour"…another must-watch for our kids when they are old enough.

Reply to Kiasu society--> kiasu child--> death & tragedy on Fri, 02 Oct 2009 08:23:20 GMT

winth — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 08:23:20 GMT

daisyt:
\"Saving private ryan\" is a wonderful movie. The argument - is it worth to sacrifice the lives of a few soldiers just to save the life of one, because that one life is the last and only son left of a mother. The mother has lost 2 children who died in the war for their country. The scenes are very bloody, quite scary .... But its very touching ....

I can remember the scene which one of the soldiers had its bump blown up and was about to die. Wa, I was crying like nobody's business. But DH was like... 'why this guy so clumsy and sat on the grenade?' :roll:

The scene where the soldiers had to parachute down, wa... I can feel the bullets hitting me when it hit some of the victims in the show. Very painful leh...

Reply to Kiasu society--> kiasu child--> death & tragedy on Fri, 02 Oct 2009 08:20:36 GMT

winth — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 08:20:36 GMT

ks2me:
Then I just want to add I saw men going gaga watching \"saving private ryan\", never understood why, war movie has alot of impact on men.

Ya, I don't understand why DH and DS1 are so glued to those war scenes with dying people, bombings and bloodshed. It's quite scary when I visualise the pain that they go through.

DH bought CD like 'Letter from Hiroshima' and was dying to watch 'Valkarie' (might be mis-spelt) which I refused to watch with him. Up till now, he till hasn't got around to watch that 'Valkarie'.

I do like the movies 'Life is Beautiful' and 'The Pianist', both during World World I/II (can't remember), but I thought it was much nicer.

Reply to Kiasu society--> kiasu child--> death & tragedy on Fri, 02 Oct 2009 08:18:37 GMT

daisyt — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 08:18:37 GMT

ks2me:
Sorry this thread become war movies recommendation?

Then I just want to add I saw men going gaga watching \"saving private ryan\", never understood why, war movie has alot of impact on men.

Hahaha, ks2me, yes I guess it has been side tracked. We kiasu parents are very good at side tracking :lol:

\"Saving private ryan\" is a wonderful movie. The argument - is it worth to sacrifice the lives of a few soldiers just to save the life of one, because that one life is the last and only son left of a mother. The mother has lost 2 children who died in the war for their country. The scenes are very bloody, quite scary .... But its very touching ....

After watching war movies, movies about earth extinct, and study WWII in history lesson, my girl would have many thoughts about future war, global warming, recycle etc.

Reply to Kiasu society--> kiasu child--> death & tragedy on Fri, 02 Oct 2009 07:59:43 GMT

corneyAmber — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 07:59:43 GMT

Sorry this thread become war movies recommendation?

Then I just want to add I saw men going gaga watching "saving private ryan", never understood why, war movie has alot of impact on men.

Reply to Kiasu society--> kiasu child--> death & tragedy on Fri, 02 Oct 2009 05:01:09 GMT

sashimi — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 05:01:09 GMT

I’ve just thought of another one: The Mission.

When I saw this in secondary school, it made me very upset for a long time. The injustice of European colonization, the hypocrisy of evangelism, racism. No glory in either. Worth watching whether you are Christian, religious, or not.

Although some of you may not believe it, there are many good examples of hardcore tragedy and suffering in Japanese animation, of which Grave of the Fireflies is probably the most (in)famous.

I am a big fan of Gundam because it can go into very adult-level depths.

One example is this 6-part animation film called War in the Pocket. It depicts how a young Zeon pilot Bernard infiltrates a Federation (these are two main factions) colony to spy on a Gundam secret project.

He befriends a young boy, Alfred, who, like other boys that age, are fascinated by weapons and machines of war, eg taunt each other about which side’s mobile weaponry is superior.

Bernard also befriends a young lady Christina - who turns out to be the test pilot of the secret Gundam. He knows who she is but she has no idea he is the "enemy".

They get on very good terms and seem to almost fall in love… but the way the story twists things is that in the end, they are forced to fight each other… and the Gundam destroys Bernard’s mobile suit (robot), killing him in the process; Christina is seriously injured as well.

The irony is that the Christina NEVER knew who was piloting the enemy mobile suit. So she never finds out she has killed her own friend. It is a love that didn’t make it to reality.

The irony takes on an additional layer of tragedy because… Alfred is the only person who knows what happened, that Bernard died in her hands. And the young boy knows he cannot tell Christina, that he must live with it alone.

War in the Pocket has reduced many grown men to tears. I highly recommend it.

Reply to Kiasu society--> kiasu child--> death & tragedy on Fri, 02 Oct 2009 01:55:20 GMT

daisyt — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 01:55:20 GMT

ChiefKiasu:
tamarind:
... Schindler's List is a good suggestion ! ...

The most striking scene in Schindler's List for me is how a little boy was scrambling to hide but was rejected by others because the hiding places were already filled. He finally found a spot in the sewers standing up to the waist level of human waste. I cannot erase that hunted look in his face from my mind, as he looked up waiting for the inevitable.

Schindler's List is my all times favourite. I have the DVD at home and I watched it 3 times. The last time, I watched with my daughter and she was very upset after watching. In year 1, Hitler is one of the topic in History and Schindler's List makes her understand more about WWII, Hitler and the Jews. We are thinking to watch it again when we have the time.

My most memorable scene in Schindler's List is the women being forced into a chamber for \"shower\". It could be shower of gas or real shower but these women don't know what to expect from the shower head.

Reply to Kiasu society--> kiasu child--> death & tragedy on Fri, 02 Oct 2009 01:19:05 GMT

schellen — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 01:19:05 GMT

jedamum:
tamarind:

However, I think that the mind of boys working differently from girls. Whatever females think are touching, may not have the same effect on males.
Definitely ba.
Armageddon's scene of Bruce Willis' self sacrifice never fails to bring tears to my dh's eyes.... to me, it's a bit too cheesy... :roll:

I agree with you about this scene. Although I didn't watch the movie, I saw bits of it via the MTV (\"Leaving on a Jet Plane\"), and I got goose pimples.

Another one that came to mind is \"Black Hawk Down\", which sashimi got me to watch with him. Although the motive and consequences of this operation really made me :roll: and and :stupid: and :faint:, I feel that the deaths, injuries and sufferings of both sides of the battle were treated seriously.

Reply to Kiasu society--> kiasu child--> death & tragedy on Fri, 02 Oct 2009 01:05:29 GMT

ChiefKiasu — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 01:05:29 GMT

tamarind:
... Schindler's List is a good suggestion ! ...

The most striking scene in Schindler's List for me is how a little boy was scrambling to hide but was rejected by others because the hiding places were already filled. He finally found a spot in the sewers standing up to the waist level of human waste. I cannot erase that hunted look in his face from my mind, as he looked up waiting for the inevitable.

Reply to Kiasu society--> kiasu child--> death & tragedy on Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:28:36 GMT

jedamum — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:28:36 GMT

tamarind:

However, I think that the mind of boys working differently from girls. Whatever females think are touching, may not have the same effect on males.

Definitely ba.
Armageddon's scene of Bruce Willis' self sacrifice never fails to bring tears to my dh's eyes.... to me, it's a bit too cheesy... :roll:

Reply to Kiasu society--> kiasu child--> death & tragedy on Thu, 01 Oct 2009 23:49:01 GMT

tamarind — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 23:49:01 GMT

[quote]
Could be... but the soldiers in the movie themselves were also shown laughing at their re-collection of that moment later in the movie. Perhaps humor is our human mechanism to protect our minds from getting shorted during times of extreme stress? Trying to make meaning out of things which have no logic at all?

I don't remember feeling particularly funny when I was going through basic military training... but I always laugh when I think back to the things we did back then.[/quote]I agree that laughing at the suffering that we have personally gone through, is perhaps a way of coping with it.

[quote]tamarind, the reason that movie came to mind was cos it shows the lengths people would go to, to ensure that that poor mother doesn't have to suffer so much if she still has her last son alive by her side. [/quote]I totally agree with you about the poor mother. There was also a scene when a soldier was severely injured by the bomb, and was dying, and he was surrounded by his friends who tried their best to comfort him. That scene brought tears to my eyes.

However, I think that the mind of boys working differently from girls. Whatever females think are touching, may not have the same effect on males.

My hubby always laugh at me when I cry while watching movies !

[quote]Schindler's List? That is quite a wake-up call.

Grave of the Fireflies, which I still have no courage to watch.[/quote]
Schindler's List is a good suggestion !

I watched Grave of the Fireflies before, and I cried buckets of tears. I think I will let my kids watch it, perhaps when they are older.

Reply to Kiasu society--> kiasu child--> death & tragedy on Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:16:45 GMT

sashimi — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:16:45 GMT

tamarind:

Yes I watched it before in the cinema. The weird thing is that I always remember some people laughing when a soldier had his arm blown off by the bomb, and that soldier scrambled to find his broken arm ! It was a horrifying and painful scene to me, but it surprised me that some people really don't have any compassion. Or may be because there were too many deaths in the movie and people became numb about it ?

Schindler's List? That is quite a wake-up call.

Grave of the Fireflies, which I still have no courage to watch.

Reply to Kiasu society--> kiasu child--> death & tragedy on Thu, 01 Oct 2009 12:42:27 GMT

schellen — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 12:42:27 GMT

tamarind, the reason that movie came to mind was cos it shows the lengths people would go to, to ensure that that poor mother doesn’t have to suffer so much if she still has her last son alive by her side.

Although I agree with Chief that we may look back upon our suffering and laugh, I think those who laughed during the movie (when the incident first happened) were really insensitive.

Reply to Kiasu society--> kiasu child--> death & tragedy on Thu, 01 Oct 2009 10:11:22 GMT

ChiefKiasu — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 10:11:22 GMT

tamarind:
... The weird thing is that I always remember some people laughing when a soldier had his arm blown off by the bomb, and that soldier scrambled to find his broken arm ! It was a horrifying and painful scene to me, but it surprised me that some people really don't have any compassion. Or may be because there were too many deaths in the movie and people became numb about it ?

Could be... but the soldiers in the movie themselves were also shown laughing at their re-collection of that moment later in the movie. Perhaps humor is our human mechanism to protect our minds from getting shorted during times of extreme stress? Trying to make meaning out of things which have no logic at all?

I don't remember feeling particularly funny when I was going through basic military training... but I always laugh when I think back to the things we did back then.

Reply to Kiasu society--> kiasu child--> death & tragedy on Thu, 01 Oct 2009 09:39:40 GMT

tamarind — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 09:39:40 GMT

schellen:
tamarind:
Good movies which show that death is really a horrifying and painful experience, should help too. But at the moment I cannot think of any such movies. It is difficult to find a movie which does not glorify or trivialize death nowadays.

Dunno why but the first movie that came to my mind was \"Saving Private Ryan\". Have you watched it before?

Yes I watched it before in the cinema. The weird thing is that I always remember some people laughing when a soldier had his arm blown off by the bomb, and that soldier scrambled to find his broken arm ! It was a horrifying and painful scene to me, but it surprised me that some people really don't have any compassion. Or may be because there were too many deaths in the movie and people became numb about it ?

Reply to Kiasu society--> kiasu child--> death & tragedy on Thu, 01 Oct 2009 09:22:40 GMT

schellen — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 09:22:40 GMT

tamarind:
Good movies which show that death is really a horrifying and painful experience, should help too. But at the moment I cannot think of any such movies. It is difficult to find a movie which does not glorify or trivialize death nowadays.

Dunno why but the first movie that came to my mind was \"Saving Private Ryan\". Have you watched it before?