How to gauge potential tscore from prelim

Reply to How to gauge potential tscore from prelim on Sun, 20 Nov 2011 16:53:04 GMT

verykiasu2010 — Sun, 20 Nov 2011 16:53:04 GMT

Selfan4ever♥23:
I got 333/400 for prelims. What is my likely t-score with this mark?

you will find out in 3.5 days

Reply to How to gauge potential tscore from prelim on Sun, 20 Nov 2011 12:19:15 GMT

Selfan4ever.05005423 — Sun, 20 Nov 2011 12:19:15 GMT

I got 333/400 for prelims. What is my likely t-score with this mark?

Reply to How to gauge potential tscore from prelim on Thu, 27 Oct 2011 04:57:03 GMT

hoskins8h — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 04:57:03 GMT

One caveat to the previously mentioned adjustment between school mean and national mean: For difficult prelim papers and where the student’s scores is high, the estimate from prelims is likely to be higher than what’s for PSLE. This is because top schools prelims are difficult and the top students have more room show their abiltiy to get a high t-score in that subject compared to the PSLE where it is easier. This is why when the PSLE papers are hard, the top national scores tend to be higher. For the average student in a top school, the method is not too far off.

Reply to How to gauge potential tscore from prelim on Thu, 27 Oct 2011 04:44:14 GMT

hoskins8h — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 04:44:14 GMT

leow:
A few of you mentioned that to add x points to prelim t score to estimate psle t score. But in the first place the school only provide scores which is upon 400, and t score uses formula with mean and standard deviation. So how do u estimate t score for yr Prelim results in the first place? Or some schools provide thier own school Prelim t score for each child? I estimate my

Sons p6 t score based on the report book provided mean and standard drviation. But like I said it gives me a scare of my life!

With mean and SD you would be able to estimate T-score relative to school mean. To adjust from school mean to national mean, you can add the difference between school and 200. If the school does not publish the past mean t-scores, see if you can pick it from the \"unadjusted\" estimates posted 25 April 2011 17:29 on the following page. http://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16430&start=20.
For example if your child is from ACSJ, the unadjusted estimates for 2010-2008 are: 225.2, 219.7 and 215.5. So you need to add 25.2, 19.7, 15.5 from your own first estimate. Where your child's actual cohort does relative to national scores varies from year to year but is relatively stable. Difficulty of paper from school to school is hard to compare. Good luck.

Reply to How to gauge potential tscore from prelim on Sat, 22 Oct 2011 03:23:49 GMT

leow — Sat, 22 Oct 2011 03:23:49 GMT

Thanks verykiasu2010, that explains. My son’s school does not provide T-score. so i had to DIY.

Reply to How to gauge potential tscore from prelim on Sat, 22 Oct 2011 02:29:16 GMT

verykiasu2010 — Sat, 22 Oct 2011 02:29:16 GMT

leow:
A few of you mentioned that to add x points to prelim t score to estimate psle t score. But in the first place the school only provide scores which is upon 400, and t score uses formula with mean and standard deviation. So how do u estimate t score for yr Prelim results in the first place? Or some schools provide thier own school Prelim t score for each child? I estimate my

Sons p6 t score based on the report book provided mean and standard drviation. But like I said it gives me a scare of my life!

a number of schools do use the prelim results and compute the t-score out of it, just like psle score, and track the prelim t-score year by year in comparing with actual psle t-score

in fact NYPS does the t-score from pri 5 result onward

Reply to How to gauge potential tscore from prelim on Sat, 22 Oct 2011 01:29:56 GMT

leow — Sat, 22 Oct 2011 01:29:56 GMT

A few of you mentioned that to add x points to prelim t score to estimate psle t score. But in the first place the school only provide scores which is upon 400, and t score uses formula with mean and standard deviation. So how do u estimate t score for yr Prelim results in the first place? Or some schools provide thier own school Prelim t score for each child? I estimate my

Sons p6 t score based on the report book provided mean and standard drviation. But like I said it gives me a scare of my life!

Reply to How to gauge potential tscore from prelim on Sat, 22 Oct 2011 00:07:13 GMT

HeSheMe — Sat, 22 Oct 2011 00:07:13 GMT

From what I have experienced, about 80% of all the primary schools in Singapore have their prelims harder and more difficult than the PSLE. Yep, and this is of course to prepare them for PSLE so that it seems that PSLE is much easier for them. :boogie:

Reply to How to gauge potential tscore from prelim on Fri, 21 Oct 2011 10:08:24 GMT

verykiasu2010 — Fri, 21 Oct 2011 10:08:24 GMT

jtoh:
skss:
[quote=\"leow\"]How do we estimate my child T score from school Prelim? If this is guessing game how do we know what we know which secondary he can go? We may b unrealistic and aiming for out of reach school. This a real dilemma for me. Any tips

was told by my colleague with 2 children who had been through psle stage that the following formula is quite reliable (it will be somewhere along the marks +/- 5marks) :-
(Total prelim scores * 0.75) + 16

But still not all primary schools set difficult papers for prelim.
I am still waiting for my son's PSLE results to assess whether his formula is reliable or not...

I think it depends on the difficulty of the prelim papers. Some schools set notoriously tough prelim papers and the kids' PSLE scores can be 20-30 higher than their prelim T-score.[/quote]was told by NYPS briefing that the range of increase from prelim to PSLE t-score could be between 10 - 60, as some kids idle for 6 years then wake up before actual psle, while some were consistently chugging away

Reply to How to gauge potential tscore from prelim on Fri, 21 Oct 2011 04:56:08 GMT

jtoh — Fri, 21 Oct 2011 04:56:08 GMT

skss:
leow:
How do we estimate my child T score from school Prelim? If this is guessing game how do we know what we know which secondary he can go? We may b unrealistic and aiming for out of reach school. This a real dilemma for me. Any tips

was told by my colleague with 2 children who had been through psle stage that the following formula is quite reliable (it will be somewhere along the marks +/- 5marks) :-
(Total prelim scores * 0.75) + 16

But still not all primary schools set difficult papers for prelim.
I am still waiting for my son's PSLE results to assess whether his formula is reliable or not...

I think it depends on the difficulty of the prelim papers. Some schools set notoriously tough prelim papers and the kids' PSLE scores can be 20-30 higher than their prelim T-score.

Reply to How to gauge potential tscore from prelim on Fri, 21 Oct 2011 04:47:06 GMT

skss — Fri, 21 Oct 2011 04:47:06 GMT

leow:
How do we estimate my child T score from school Prelim? If this is guessing game how do we know what we know which secondary he can go? We may b unrealistic and aiming for out of reach school. This a real dilemma for me. Any tips

was told by my colleague with 2 children who had been through psle stage that the following formula is quite reliable (it will be somewhere along the marks +/- 5marks) :-
(Total prelim scores * 0.75) + 16

But still not all primary schools set difficult papers for prelim.
I am still waiting for my son's PSLE results to assess whether his formula is reliable or not...

Reply to How to gauge potential tscore from prelim on Fri, 21 Oct 2011 04:42:39 GMT

leow — Fri, 21 Oct 2011 04:42:39 GMT

Thanks. I even tried to estimate the T-score based on the school’s average vs psle average vs my son’s average. It gives me a scare of my life when I used certain assumptions. Hence, as suggested I’d just have to do my homework to cluster the schools into various categories and attend open house of as many as possible of various range then see what the outome of the PSLE results to prepare for the selection. Looks like there is no easy way out.

Reply to How to gauge potential tscore from prelim on Thu, 20 Oct 2011 05:02:50 GMT

Pen88n — Thu, 20 Oct 2011 05:02:50 GMT

If you are unsure of your kid’s score and would like to prepare early, you can do a tabulation of the T-Score range and your preferred choice:

T-Score Top Range Sch Middle Range Sch Lower Range Sch
250-255 COP 254-256 COP 250-253 COP 247-249
245-250 COP 249-251 COP 245-248 COP 242-244

By doing this way, you have the list of sch for each mark range and will be prepared by the time PSLE results are out. You can also spend time assessing these sch.

Reply to How to gauge potential tscore from prelim on Thu, 20 Oct 2011 04:54:02 GMT

ppnqq — Thu, 20 Oct 2011 04:54:02 GMT

leow:
How do we estimate my child T score from school Prelim? If this is guessing game how do we know what we know which secondary he can go? We may b unrealistic and aiming for out of reach school. This a real dilemma for me. Any tips

What I can advise is, base on his usual CA, SA and prelim results, you will be able to tell if your child belongs to the high achiever, average or below average. So what you can do is, try to select a few schools which your child prefers but the COP matches the standard of your child's. E.g. if your child average, you may like to categorize the selection of school into 3 groups. 1, schools for the better express score, 2, schools for the lower express score and schools for normal academic.

Why do I include NA too because sometimes an average child's score may be between express and na but unless you are very sure yours would definitely be express only, then you just have to select schools which are for the lower and higher express score. JMHO.

HTH.

Reply to How to gauge potential tscore from prelim on Thu, 20 Oct 2011 04:45:29 GMT

merlionkid — Thu, 20 Oct 2011 04:45:29 GMT

leow:
How do we estimate my child T score from school Prelim? If this is guessing game how do we know what we know which secondary he can go? We may b unrealistic and aiming for out of reach school. This a real dilemma for me. Any tips

It is not practical to use school prelim as gauge to PSLE T-score.
The difficulty level of paper set in the prelim paper is subjective to the school's staff assessment.
Furthermore, the standards of the students in the school's cohort is not representative of the nation's P6 students.

Meanwhile, wait for the PSLE result release.

Good luck.

Reply to How to gauge potential tscore from prelim on Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:31:10 GMT

verykiasu2010 — Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:31:10 GMT

leow:
How do we estimate my child T score from school Prelim? If this is guessing game how do we know what we know which secondary he can go? We may b unrealistic and aiming for out of reach school. This a real dilemma for me. Any tips

when you received the PSLE t-score, you will know which school to choose realistically

the guide book on sec sch selection issued by MOE shows you the past years' cut off point of each school