<![CDATA[GEP and IQ]]>Any correlation between getting into GEP and IQ? Does having a high IQ means the child will go into the prog or it all depends on the GEP entry test? Anyone has a high IQ child but didn’t pass the entry test?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/topic/28619/gep-and-iqRSS for NodeSat, 18 Apr 2026 08:52:59 GMTSat, 26 Nov 2011 05:10:12 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to GEP and IQ on Tue, 11 Mar 2014 03:06:06 GMT]]>kids should understand what they read - i really beleive this.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1235568https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1235568Tue, 11 Mar 2014 03:06:06 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to GEP and IQ on Mon, 23 Dec 2013 22:00:46 GMT]]>Academic giftedness is only that. Nothing more. It does not guarantee success in other areas or in life.


Many parents share stories of how some kids are gifted but bored in school. Some of them may eventually go to GEP. But the point is how these kids deal with boredom. Kids who cannot deal with boredom constructively will grow up to become adults who cannot deal with boredom, gifted or no gifted.

Everything boils down to attitudes and parents play a huge part in shaping them. I have taught many GEP kids before and they are very bright and adorable. They really have a mind of their own and are not afraid to speak their mind. They are a pleasure to teach. It’s clear to me that their parents have brought them up well.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1172695https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1172695Mon, 23 Dec 2013 22:00:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to GEP and IQ on Mon, 23 Dec 2013 21:41:51 GMT]]>To me GEP is about if you have it, you nurture it. There is a certain advantage in putting a child in GEP, if she has what it takes. First, you have more resources in the education system dedicated to educating the child. Second, the academic road is somehow smoother. The GEP label helps somehow.


I once asked one of my GEP students to ask her teacher how GEPPers do traditionally in PSLE. She came back with the report that they have had people who got B in PSLE math so far. While most do get A*, you also have some who get A or B.

If you look at the purported top scores for this year’s PSLE, you would realize that there is not much to separate the top scores of GEP and non-GEP schools.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1172692https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1172692Mon, 23 Dec 2013 21:41:51 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to GEP and IQ on Wed, 13 Nov 2013 10:49:14 GMT]]>

mashy:
Reading is one thing. It is more important to understand. Does he understand the books that he read? Does he know what each word mean and what is happening?

I do agreed. Nowadays, kids can read very fluently but when they are dealing with comprehension or maths word problems, they do not understand the questions or passage. Kids are mainly taught to speak \"English\" at home. I strongly believe a bilingual kid would always benefits well. If she or he doesn understand his work, parent can translate and explain to them in other language. We always communicate with our boy in Mandarin. He can read fluently in both English and Mandarin. In terms of understanding, Mandarin will much easier for him to handle it. We would explain his schoolworks in Mandarin and he handles his subjects well despite he is not attending any tutioning.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1144778https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1144778Wed, 13 Nov 2013 10:49:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to GEP and IQ on Wed, 13 Nov 2013 09:48:14 GMT]]>Reading is one thing. It is more important to understand. Does he understand the books that he read? Does he know what each word mean and what is happening?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1144742https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1144742Wed, 13 Nov 2013 09:48:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to GEP and IQ on Wed, 13 Nov 2013 01:48:17 GMT]]>

airex:
we are still pondering whether to assess. We simply need to assess to understand his capability better. Till now, I still think he is simply a usual mischievous boy and not gifted.

Just continue to nurture him.

Not necessary to get any IQ assessment unless you intend to apply to moe to skip level, then an IQ report is required.

airex:
As for English, he is able to read Geronimo Stilton novels on his own. Is this gifted or simply good at studying?
Just let your ds read as widely as possible.
Pick the award winning authors if possible to expose him to those classic


I remember my dd2 read books by these authors over & over again when she was 6 years old
E.B.White (all 3 books)
Roald Dahl (entire bookset)
Kate DiCamillo (The Tale of Despereaux, Because of Winn-Dixie, The magician's elephant, The miraculous journey of Edward Tulane)

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1144231https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1144231Wed, 13 Nov 2013 01:48:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to GEP and IQ on Tue, 12 Nov 2013 15:51:15 GMT]]>Mine is found online… Said to be recognized by MOE. Cost is quite reasonable but we are still pondering whether to assess. We simply need to assess to understand his capability better. Till now, I still think he is simply a usual mischievous boy and not gifted.

This is not about comparing… But I need honest opinions from parents who are more familiar with this. My boy is in K1 and he is able to do long addition, subtraction mentally. He can do multiplication table and understand division. He is not attending any enrichment classes. In fact I am the one telling him it’s enough with multiplication and do not stress with division yet. Therefore he is doing P1 Maths himself. He loves Maths. As for English, he is able to read Geronimo Stilton novels on his own. Is this gifted or simply good at studying?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1144102https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1144102Tue, 12 Nov 2013 15:51:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to GEP and IQ on Sun, 10 Nov 2013 17:34:58 GMT]]>depends which test…I thought wisc iv is about 800+… but if you need to know his weakness and strength then he needs another test I think WIAT another 150+


if you are thinking of Stanford binet … they are more costly… depends on what is needed… and if they also include consultation cost… usually they add it in one session. Some place include the price… depends…

if you are doing this… get someone reputable
sorry we did ours overseas…

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1142592https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1142592Sun, 10 Nov 2013 17:34:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to GEP and IQ on Sun, 10 Nov 2013 16:59:40 GMT]]>I did not think of assessing his IQ through tests. But his teachers have advised us to let him take the tests. I have no wishes for him to enter P1 earlier too. Instead I would like a professional to assess his iQ level and identify his strongholds and weak areas so that we can help him develop further. I do not know if he is gifted or simply academically strong. I have looked around some private clinics conducting such tests and normally charging $1.2k… Is that the market rate or over exaggerated?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1142583https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1142583Sun, 10 Nov 2013 16:59:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to GEP and IQ on Sun, 10 Nov 2013 00:52:34 GMT]]>

metz:
sleepy:



Agreed.
gep screening is a large scale mass exercise. Impossible to be as detailed as a one to one IQ test conducted by EP.

By the way, Mensa do not conduct test for kids below 14 years old. So all young mensa members have to submit IQ report from EP.


Honestly, I don't think too highly of IQ tests too. 😉

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I didn't as well until the teacher thinks my son has learning disability.

we got him checked and he is highly gifted.

gifted child learn differently and mine is visual spatial thus don't work very well in regular classroom...

IQ test alone does not help and do with WIAT test for the true ability of the child... my younger was reading like a 13 year old when he is 6... so yeah there will be problem in school in socialising with other 6 years old...

I think the iq number is not important but the recommendation at the back pages from the EP will help you to negotiate with the schools in supporting your child to bring out the best in your child...

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1142192https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1142192Sun, 10 Nov 2013 00:52:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to GEP and IQ on Sun, 10 Nov 2013 00:47:11 GMT]]>For gifted children - they don't necessary make it into GEP because of the test and if children perform well for test...


As such, gifted child don't just grow overnight...

I suggest you contact the GEP department and ask them to support your child... so technically you need some suitable document from a psychologist doing an IQ test and recommendation on how the school can support the child.

my younger child is in p2 this year and GEP is working closely with the school at times (LOL) to support him.

unfortunately in Singapore, the converting of giftedness into talents are the work of the parents and not the school....

the school will consider the gifted children who shine and not really supporting the underachiever ... unless we advocate for the children...

should you don't make it to GEP ... not the end of the world...
there are some school with their internal program... I don't know many as I am still new to this but I know St Joseph has an inhouse program...

Stamford Primary is thinking about doing that with the new principal... where they teach core curriculum quicker and then do extension work or projects catering for the gifted and high ability...

either way .. you need to check it out..

good luck :imcool:

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1142189https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1142189Sun, 10 Nov 2013 00:47:11 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to GEP and IQ on Sun, 10 Nov 2013 00:06:47 GMT]]>For gep I disagree that those get in are high IQ cos most of those got in went for gep preparation class for 1-2 years and they started tuition at very young age. Some started before P1 with Kumom. Some started since P1. And their parents definitely "hide" the fact that they sent their kids to gep classes. So those kids after 1-2 years training definitely better than those kids did not go or even don’t hv tuition at all.

This is the fact.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1142184https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1142184Sun, 10 Nov 2013 00:06:47 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to GEP and IQ on Sat, 09 Nov 2013 16:05:03 GMT]]>Hi parents,


For those who hv let your child take the IQ test, can you pls kindly share the contacts with me?
Thanks!

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1142139https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1142139Sat, 09 Nov 2013 16:05:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to GEP and IQ on Wed, 30 Oct 2013 04:03:10 GMT]]>

metz:
A child who starts walking at 7 months old isn't necessary gifted in sports. Likewise, a toddler or preschooler who grasps concepts faster is not necessary more gifted than one who seems nonchalant.

This kid is certainly gifted, in the ability to balance and coordinate the muscles required for walking, at 7 months old.

That's the issue with using the IQ numbers.

Having a high IQ doesn't mean success in life. It just means that, a high IQ. So our kid here will not necessary be a sports star in the later years. But that has nothing to do with his/her giftedness in able to walk at 7 months.

Contrary to what you stated, the ability to grasp concepts beyond their years IS a sign of high IQ.

Also, IQ is linked to age range. The ability to understand advanced concepts is always based on the person's age. A child's understanding of pythagorean theorem at age of 7 is certainly gifted, and shouldn't compare to an undergraduate who can.
metz:
I know that because I have two kids of very different nature and interests. I don't expect the younger one to be an image of the elder one. Both flourish in their own ways. Unlike the brother, my daughter isn't into Science books and concepts. But she signed herself up for P2 UNSW Science paper and received a high distinction. I'll probably kill her interest in Science if I expected her to pick up concepts like her brother.
Having a high score in academic tests doesn't necessary linked to high IQ. As you would've read from numerous posts here that even children in the top 10 of their school cohort may not necessary make it to round 2 or even 1 of GEP tests.

Finally, concept I mentioned is not subject. Concept is the an abstract idea, thereby make it hard to understand or explain. Unless the person's cognitive development is at a stage to understand it, no amount of training can achieve success.

This is different from brute training. Anybody can be trained with enough repetitions. Even monkeys. But IQ is totally different.

A child at 10 months can be trained to recognize letters of the alphabet. Just point and say the letter enough times and reward the child with milk or sweets if he/she does it and soon enough you'll have success.

But try explaining the concept of spelling, letters forming words to a child at 15 months even, and you'll find it an almost impossible and frustrating exercise.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1133635https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1133635Wed, 30 Oct 2013 04:03:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to GEP and IQ on Wed, 30 Oct 2013 02:50:21 GMT]]>

rambutan7:


There's a saying that IQ cannot be trained.
Some believes that IQ number can increase over years. So, it really depends on how one views the IQ tests.

From Wikipedia -

'Raw scores on IQ tests for many populations have been rising at an average rate that scales to three IQ points per decade since the early 20th century, a phenomenon called the Flynn effect. Investigation of differing patterns of increases in IQ battery subtest scores informs current research on human intelligence.\"
rambutan7:
All Mensa, IQ assessments, and GEP tests are similar, although the emphasis on the components are different.

IQ assessments, if done objectively (there's a lot of $ & pressure involved), are accurate reflection of a person's IQ.

IQ assessments in themselves are good tools for early intervention where necessary. It is how the results are taken & used that's often controversial if not problematic.
This one is too long for me to expand on...


rambutan7:
metz:

Those kids who are tested gifted via IQ tests ( that I heard of ) usually attend classes since toddler and have very nurturing parents.



I have 3 DS and I can tell you no matter how much you want to teach a child who is not ready to grasp the concept, you simply won't succeed.


That's the problem most parents have. Most parents that I come across can't accept that their kids are gifted in different ways and that they may be more interested in other things (not what the parent/school/enrichment wants to teach) at the particular time. For young kids, I strongly believe in letting them take the lead. A child who starts walking at 7 months old isn't necessary gifted in sports. Likewise, a toddler or preschooler who grasps concepts faster is not necessary more gifted than one who seems nonchalant.

I know that because I have two kids of very different nature and interests. I don't expect the younger one to be an image of the elder one. Both flourish in their own ways. Unlike the brother, my daughter isn't into Science books and concepts. But she signed herself up for P2 UNSW Science paper and received a high distinction. I'll probably kill her interest in Science if I expected her to pick up concepts like her brother.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1133562https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1133562Wed, 30 Oct 2013 02:50:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to GEP and IQ on Wed, 30 Oct 2013 01:49:14 GMT]]>

sleepy:


Agreed.
gep screening is a large scale mass exercise. Impossible to be as detailed as a one to one IQ test conducted by EP.

By the way, Mensa do not conduct test for kids below 14 years old. So all young mensa members have to submit IQ report from EP.

Honestly, I don't think too highly of IQ tests too. 😉

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1133490https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1133490Wed, 30 Oct 2013 01:49:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to GEP and IQ on Wed, 30 Oct 2013 01:44:36 GMT]]>

metz:
Mensa is not the same as IQ tests nor GEP Selection test. Mensa test is just looking for patterns, if I'm not wrong. Both IQ tests and GEP tests are more than that.


IQ test is not the same as GEP selection test. In fact, the GEP branch would not admit any student to the GEP based on any IQ tests.

In short, all three tests are different and may not mean the same thing.
Steadyberry:
Yes, agree. The tests may not mean the same thing. The tests are from 3 diff sources and they are not related to each other. Type of que and how the kids are tested are different too. My friend's dd had been tested to have high IQ and she did not even pass the 1st round. She is a voracious reader and she asks many questions. To me, she is definitely diff from other kids.
Agreed.
gep screening is a large scale mass exercise. Impossible to be as detailed as a one to one IQ test conducted by EP.

By the way, Mensa do not conduct test for kids below 14 years old. So all young mensa members have to submit IQ report from EP.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1133480https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1133480Wed, 30 Oct 2013 01:44:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to GEP and IQ on Mon, 21 Jan 2013 13:28:45 GMT]]>i feel that shud not prep the kids for GEP. then only the \"real\" gifted kids will get into GEP.

Those GEP prep courses are long term, just like enrichment 🙂 and most of the mothers i knw will keep it as a \"Top Secret\" ! even after the result released.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/943098https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/943098Mon, 21 Jan 2013 13:28:45 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to GEP and IQ on Mon, 21 Jan 2013 06:23:23 GMT]]>Come P6, they tell you,\"Your kid GEP so good,..... no need to study...no need to worry...\" 😆

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/942809https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/942809Mon, 21 Jan 2013 06:23:23 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to GEP and IQ on Mon, 21 Jan 2013 04:07:19 GMT]]>How about this one? When the kid doesn’t get in, say that the kid purposely didn’t do well so won’t be selected. Then why go for the test to begin with?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/942708https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/942708Mon, 21 Jan 2013 04:07:19 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to GEP and IQ on Mon, 21 Jan 2013 03:02:18 GMT]]>

Kiasucy:
jtoh:

[quote=\"CayennePepper\"]
Hahaha this is so true. :rotflmao:
I only heard some parents I know complaining that they wasted $$$ after the envelopes are distributed. 🙂 Before that, this group of parents liked to make disparaging remarks about gep. Little did I know they were so keen to get in that they spent a small fortune (to me lah). People are funny sometimes.

Then they pass even more disparaging remarks AFTER their children don't get in and they've spent a small fortune.

Another type react like this ... \"GEP? What's that? Never heard of it...\" :rotflmao:

Another type, when other people kid got selected, they say \"GEP? heard no good one,... for us we dont want,even if get in won't choose also ... \" but when their kid turn P3 they also consent for it :rotflmao:[/quote] :rotflmao:

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/942636https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/942636Mon, 21 Jan 2013 03:02:18 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to GEP and IQ on Mon, 21 Jan 2013 03:01:13 GMT]]>

jtoh:
CayennePepper:

[quote=\"Kiasucy\"]Usually they will not admit sending for prep course before the result is out.


Hahaha this is so true. :rotflmao:
I only heard some parents I know complaining that they wasted $$$ after the envelopes are distributed. 🙂 Before that, this group of parents liked to make disparaging remarks about gep. Little did I know they were so keen to get in that they spent a small fortune (to me lah). People are funny sometimes.

Then they pass even more disparaging remarks AFTER their children don't get in and they've spent a small fortune.[/quote]Another type react like this ... \"GEP? What's that? Never heard of it...\" :rotflmao:

Another type, when other people kid got selected, they say \"GEP? heard no good one,... for us we dont want,even if get in won't choose also ... \" but when their kid turn P3 they also consent for it :rotflmao:

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/942634https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/942634Mon, 21 Jan 2013 03:01:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to GEP and IQ on Mon, 21 Jan 2013 02:45:11 GMT]]>

Harlequin:


Not only that, 3-4yrs later when PSLE and DSA come, they would question the merit of this 2 systems if their wards cannot succeed in DSA :siam:
:rotflmao:

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/942611https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/942611Mon, 21 Jan 2013 02:45:11 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to GEP and IQ on Mon, 21 Jan 2013 02:43:52 GMT]]>

CayennePepper:
jtoh:

[quote=\"CayennePepper\"]
Hahaha this is so true. :rotflmao:
I only heard some parents I know complaining that they wasted $$$ after the envelopes are distributed. 🙂 Before that, this group of parents liked to make disparaging remarks about gep. Little did I know they were so keen to get in that they spent a small fortune (to me lah). People are funny sometimes.

Then they pass even more disparaging remarks AFTER their children don't get in and they've spent a small fortune.

Yes :evil: and after they calm down, they start to enquire which other centres to send the younger siblings for prep.[/quote] :rotflmao:

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/942608https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/942608Mon, 21 Jan 2013 02:43:52 GMT