Strparent:

man,...... you ladies just keep adding charcoal to the campfire, feeding 3Boys' thirst for a good challenge, a good 'fight' :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: - in a good sense of course.


I love his posts as well :salute: , his strong stand to challenge the majority, the prove-it-to-me attitude.

wish we were army buddies, man

ksi, dunno why u are surprised. Am sure chen was just kidding about it.

if you really read carefully, he is candid, frank, direct - maybe he is challenging just to prove his choice was correct
but seriously, you should know by now, most of the active forumers in 'these sort of threads' are more likely to have voted for opposition.
Those that voted for ruling party are not errrr....'agitated' enough to be too active here, imho.

But I agree with 3Boys on the 7% GST, it is good and need to be there. The only greivance is the lack of clear obvious subsidy from this GST for the truly needy, eg zero rate on pure necessities ( rice, sugar, etc ).

3Boys:

SMRT is listed company, whilst Temasek was possibly represented on the board (do they hold a seat?), the decision is a private one not dictated by the g'ment.

3Boys, come on.... dont do the white paper black paper on these leh.
Chartered SM? Singtel ? SPH ? DBS ? F&N ? all also public listed.
.......................... :imconstipated: :sick: :censored:

think we should leave it as it is. :siam:
kar kee chai doh ho liao :oops:

limlim:

3Boys:

And how many of you actually think the CPF minimum sum is going to get you through retirement? Ad if they don't take action now, when the silver tsunami hits, and inflation erodes savings then how? More old ladies collecting cardboard boxes in the streets, more opposition tear-jerker videos claiming non-compassionate g'ment, taxes raised for the younger generation, low economic growth as a result.....

well.. some sources on the internet pointed out that ard the period when TH lose billions.. CPF min sum was increased.. and there seems to be quite a few \"coincidences\".... of when TH lose money, somehow CPF amt or age limit changes (unfavourably to members)..

Maybe these are false information on the internet.. I'm not sure.. you hv any comments on this?

HVR:

Yes. We should move on and see how both PAP and opposition can contribute. Frankly thus far opposition is doing what many netizens are doing, criticising only but of course their arguments are more refined than netizens.

3Boys:

SMRT is listed company, whilst Temasek was possibly represented on the board (do they hold a seat?), the decision is a private one not dictated by the g'ment.

Really befuddles me how anyone can attribute SPH's appointment to the the g'ment and blame them for any fall out.

So limlim, you have someone you'd like to nominate to SMRT board as their next CEO, since you have a strong opinion about the previous one?

3Boys:

And how many of you actually think the CPF minimum sum is going to get you through retirement? Ad if they don't take action now, when the silver tsunami hits, and inflation erodes savings then how? More old ladies collecting cardboard boxes in the streets, more opposition tear-jerker videos claiming non-compassionate g'ment, taxes raised for the younger generation, low economic growth as a result.....

3Boys:

I am a Singaporean too, I've lived here almost all my life. I think the PAP is best thing since sliced bread, that the only reason we are where are, instead of a sleepy fishing village. You think our workforce is so great? Mediocre as hell....

Yes, they have gotten complacent, yes, they have made quite a lot of mistakes recently, yes, their politics stink, yes, they deserved to get their behinds kicked at the last GE. But they do not deserve to be treated unfairly....

Belle2011:

This topic is NOT going anywhere.

DesertWind:

Sun_2010:

For me the status of mrt is a greater concern - The hdb/property issues, economic stability, flooding (sorry ponding), immigration these seem outcome of some bad forecast, shortsightedness and complacency....something systemic which I sincerely hope is being addressed behind the scenes.

Fully agree! Now that they have actually cut the salary, can we move on and talk about the cost of living? How they can help common folks to cope with it? By building more hawker centres and charging reasonable rental etc?

Chenonceau:

DesertWind:

[quote=\"Sun_2010\"]For me the status of mrt is a greater concern - The hdb/property issues, economic stability, flooding (sorry ponding), immigration these seem outcome of some bad forecast, shortsightedness and complacency....something systemic which I sincerely hope is being addressed behind the scenes.

Fully agree! Now that they have actually cut the salary, can we move on and talk about the cost of living? How they can help common folks to cope with it? By building more hawker centres and charging reasonable rental etc?

DesertWind:

Sun_2010:

For me the status of mrt is a greater concern - The hdb/property issues, economic stability, flooding (sorry ponding), immigration these seem outcome of some bad forecast, shortsightedness and complacency....something systemic which I sincerely hope is being addressed behind the scenes.

Fully agree! Now that they have actually cut the salary, can we move on and talk about the cost of living? How they can help common folks to cope with it? By building more hawker centres and charging reasonable rental etc?

Sun_2010:

For me the status of mrt is a greater concern - The hdb/property issues, economic stability, flooding (sorry ponding), immigration these seem outcome of some bad forecast, shortsightedness and complacency....something systemic which I sincerely hope is being addressed behind the scenes.

ksi:

Sun_2010:

In fact personally I don't understand why this hue and cry about salary.

Is million dollars a lot of money? To me it is . Hell a lot.

But there are many earning that. I wouldnt get near to that but that is not the point. A minister , an MP has to deliver. That is what we should be looking at. Honestly, dun-flame-me I don't think most of us are competent to judge what should be the salary.

Say a minister has a salary of $10,000 pm , and he blunders, is it ok?
The MPs and ministers have to perform, if they fail to do so they should made answerable, his pay is immaterial . Our vote then is our weapon.

Why the hue and cry? Salary is paid from the taxpayers' pool of money and so how this money is used is certainly a concern to us. Perhaps the money can be better used? At the end of the day, the burden lies squarely on our shoulders if we have to sustain such a salary structure => higher tax...
There are 2 fundamental arguments that need probing:
1. Why use obscene amount to attract 'talent' to serve?
2. Why not equitable with our size, given that we are so small as a country?

Now, the fact that they are willing to review means they acknowledge the issues.

ksi:

Strparent, :slapshead: sorry la...I have short memory... I vaguely recall that both he and Chenon were actively rooting for the MIW because they brought out many good points about what they have contributed to SG which I also agreed.

Strparent:

ksi, dunno why u are surprised. Am sure chen was just kidding about it.

if you really read carefully, he is candid, frank, direct - maybe he is challenging just to prove his choice was correct
but seriously, you should know by now, most of the active forumers in 'these sort of threads' are more likely to have voted for opposition.
Those that voted for ruling party are not errrr....'agitated' enough to be too active here, imho.

But I agree with 3Boys on the 7% GST, it is good and need to be there. The only greivance is the lack of clear obvious subsidy from this GST for the truly needy, eg zero rate on pure necessities ( rice, sugar, etc ).

3Boys:

SMRT is listed company, whilst Temasek was possibly represented on the board (do they hold a seat?), the decision is a private one not dictated by the g'ment.

3Boys, come on.... dont do the white paper black paper on these leh.
Chartered SM? Singtel ? SPH ? DBS ? F&N ? all also public listed.
.......................... :imconstipated: :sick: :censored:

think we should leave it as it is. :siam:
kar kee chai doh ho liao :oops:

Sun_2010:

In fact personally I don't understand why this hue and cry about salary.

Is million dollars a lot of money? To me it is . Hell a lot.

But there are many earning that. I wouldnt get near to that but that is not the point. A minister , an MP has to deliver. That is what we should be looking at. Honestly, dun-flame-me I don't think most of us are competent to judge what should be the salary.

Say a minister has a salary of $10,000 pm , and he blunders, is it ok?
The MPs and ministers have to perform, if they fail to do so they should made answerable, his pay is immaterial . Our vote then is our weapon.

3Boys:

ksi:

3Boys, we have not reached the point to worry so much yet about opposition taking over the house. Having some opposition brings many dimensions to an issue. For example, in the forum, we discuss until we can see things for each other's views. It is certainly not a bad thing, both Chenon and I can attest to that. Positive diversity brings about progress. As citizens, I believe we are all watchful not to tip the balance in the scale for the macro picture, we still have faith in the leadership but we need a voice to bounce ideas so that things are not so top-down approach. I believe even for your sons, you will give them a chance to ask why and offer their different views before you come to some middle ground with them, no? If opposition is not constructive, I am sure it will be obvious to many as seen in past cases of undesirable oppositions. Singapore has reached some level of maturity to be able to manage this by its people. Of course I am with you when we read some of the very extreme views on the net that sometimes raise our brows the way the leadership is being brutally bashed. Balance is what we need.

Thank you.

Remember, I voted opposition at the last election, I understand.

The discussion does need to be predicated on a shared platform of agreed facts, or view at least. I think what goes on right now is a matter of establishing what those are. For instance, if someone criticises the g'ment for raising the GST to 7%, first we have to agree on whether 7% GST is in fact a good or bad thing, before we can discuss if the g'ment had done a good or bad job.

Chill pill time, gonna make myself a martini......