S$159m collected from ERP gantries for FY2010

Reply to S$159m collected from ERP gantries for FY2010 on Fri, 20 Jan 2012 23:52:57 GMT

kohbee2.06303gmail.06303com — Fri, 20 Jan 2012 23:52:57 GMT

How about COE? I wonder how much "revenue" did it generate?

Reply to S$159m collected from ERP gantries for FY2010 on Fri, 20 Jan 2012 07:06:04 GMT

Joule — Fri, 20 Jan 2012 07:06:04 GMT

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Yes. The intention is not to generate revenue but if the revenue is generated consequently, so be it. Make good use of it. Likewise stamp duties.

Unless we know of better ways to solve the problem, then we should suggest and contribute. If they don't listen, vote them out.

If all else failed, what else to do than hit where it matter most, the pocket?[/quote]The intention is 'not to generate revenue' but it is a good side effect, so why not?

thing is, please don't assume we are stupid and say 'it is not to generate revenue' . ERP is there for so long, we have so many 'smart' scholars from Ivy league universities, how come the problem is still not solved?

from - a uni drop-out

Reply to S$159m collected from ERP gantries for FY2010 on Fri, 20 Jan 2012 04:28:53 GMT

tankee — Fri, 20 Jan 2012 04:28:53 GMT

ERP is not effective because of the following reasons

- companies’s owned vehicles don’t care about ERP. Got see how many heavy dump trucks, lorries and vans on the expressway during the peak hour? Companies’ money, drivers don’t care.

- rich people don’t care. Amount is "peanuts" to them. Time is more important

- Inadequate Public Transport. Need I say more?

- ERP hours too long. It is not as though if one leaves office 30min later, he or she don’t need to pay ERP. Even if one leaves office 1 hrs later, the difference in ERP is merely S$0.50-S$1, so no incentive to change travel time. Better pay and go home and bond with family.

- No alternate route. When ERP started, there were alternate longer route available for those who don’t mind slightly heavier traffic to save $1 or $2. Recently, no more such routes available.

Only a minority car owners would change travel pattern occassionally to avoid paying ERP.

Reply to S$159m collected from ERP gantries for FY2010 on Fri, 20 Jan 2012 03:58:07 GMT

HVR — Fri, 20 Jan 2012 03:58:07 GMT

starlight1968sg:
Transport Minister Lui Tuck Yew... stressed that the gantries are tools to manage congestion and are not meant to generate revenue....

If this 159m is not revenue, then what is it?
Did you read also on the amount collected from stamp duties due to housing transactions?

Yes. The intention is not to generate revenue but if the revenue is generated consequently, so be it. Make good use of it. Likewise stamp duties.

Unless we know of better ways to solve the problem, then we should suggest and contribute. If they don't listen, vote them out.

If all else failed, what else to do than hit where it matter most, the pocket?

Reply to S$159m collected from ERP gantries for FY2010 on Fri, 20 Jan 2012 03:48:26 GMT

starlight1968sg — Fri, 20 Jan 2012 03:48:26 GMT

Transport Minister Lui Tuck Yew… stressed that the gantries are tools to manage congestion and are not meant to generate revenue…

If this 159m is not revenue, then what is it?
Did you read also on the amount collected from stamp duties due to housing transactions?

Reply to S$159m collected from ERP gantries for FY2010 on Fri, 20 Jan 2012 03:14:18 GMT

HVR — Fri, 20 Jan 2012 03:14:18 GMT

Personally I think the gantries cannot deter 100% of people from changing their original mind of entering congested areas. These people primarily has money or couldn’t afford to lose much time. Therefore, they paid the gantry fee and enter the congested areas. In this sense, to cynic out there, ERP gantries has no effect to relieve congestion and is merely a cash generating measures.

Notwithstanding the above, there is always 2 sides to a coin and if I may, there will be people who does not want to pay the gantry fee and they also can afford to adjust their travel plan, hence, they stay away from the congested areas during peak hours. That being the case, the policy makers would say ERP serve its purpose.

How should we view this? To me, you can never please everyone. However, the government needs money to run the country. Instead of S$159m collected from ERP gantries how I wish more money can be collected. After all, whoever can afford to own a car is presumed to be doing well reasonably.

Imaging helping our poorer fellow Singaporeans just by driving through the ERP gantries so that the money collected can be distributed via Growth dividends, New Singapore Shares, HDB utilities rebates, free school fees, CPF top up, health care subsidy, public assistance scheme, unemployment trainings, child care subsidy, etc.

Unless some genius out there think government don’t need to have money to run the country, if not, I say nothing wrong with ERP gantries. If we have surpluses, more growth dividend for poorer folks or put it in reserve. Too much is collected from ERP gantries? ERP fees too high? Hard to say how much is enough right? So similar to ministerial salary debate!!!

Reply to S$159m collected from ERP gantries for FY2010 on Fri, 20 Jan 2012 02:21:03 GMT

pinky — Fri, 20 Jan 2012 02:21:03 GMT

one report said it was $400 million collected over 3 years :yikes:

cash cow /goose that lays golden eggs :evil:

Reply to S$159m collected from ERP gantries for FY2010 on Thu, 19 Jan 2012 04:19:17 GMT

Joule — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 04:19:17 GMT

raysusan:
[quote]Transport Minister Lui Tuck Yew... stressed that the gantries are tools to manage congestion and are not meant to generate revenue...\"

HAHAHAHAHA[/quote]Don't be like that leh,

Just like raising GST to 'help the poor'.

Just like flooding happens only 'once in 50 years'

Just like raising HDB flat price and trying to sell koyok to us that it is an asset

Reply to S$159m collected from ERP gantries for FY2010 on Thu, 19 Jan 2012 02:37:52 GMT

Funz — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 02:37:52 GMT

Turn off all ERP gantries for 3 mths and monitor. Then we can see if it really does help manage congestion.

Reply to S$159m collected from ERP gantries for FY2010 on Thu, 19 Jan 2012 02:33:33 GMT

Augmum — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 02:33:33 GMT

[quote]Transport Minister Lui Tuck Yew... stressed that the gantries are tools to manage congestion and are not meant to generate revenue...\"
[/quote] :whut: pl dont talk abt manage congestion anymore !!! :slapshead:

Reply to S$159m collected from ERP gantries for FY2010 on Thu, 19 Jan 2012 02:19:55 GMT

hquek — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 02:19:55 GMT

And the bit about no point barring banks from loaning the Coe portion.

Sounds like make sense but I still miss the point. Too many angry birds, I probably ‘pa jiao’ so miss the mark.

If people can’t loan Coe portion, would they still allow car companies to make sky high bids for that piece of paper?

Praying my car will still last another few good years.

Reply to S$159m collected from ERP gantries for FY2010 on Thu, 19 Jan 2012 01:34:09 GMT

concern2 — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 01:34:09 GMT

Daddy
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1177551/1/.html

\"SINGAPORE: Electronic Road Pricing (ERP) gantries collected a total of S$159 million for the Financial Year 2010.
In the 2009 Financial Year, the amount was S$149 million.
And for the period up to end-October of 2011, the amount stood at S$97 million.
Transport Minister Lui Tuck Yew... stressed that the gantries are tools to manage congestion and are not meant to generate revenue...\"

:yikes: :shock: :slapshead: :stompfeet: :siam:

Why does it sound like 'we are in politics not for the money...'

Reply to S$159m collected from ERP gantries for FY2010 on Thu, 19 Jan 2012 01:00:29 GMT

raysusan — Thu, 19 Jan 2012 01:00:29 GMT

[quote]Transport Minister Lui Tuck Yew... stressed that the gantries are tools to manage congestion and are not meant to generate revenue...\"
[/quote]HAHAHAHAHA