<![CDATA[why most of primary students start morning session before 8?]]>and most of their parents after 8am?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/topic/35310/why-most-of-primary-students-start-morning-session-before-8RSS for NodeSun, 26 Apr 2026 00:04:40 GMTFri, 04 May 2012 13:44:16 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to why most of primary students start morning session before 8? on Thu, 28 Aug 2014 11:49:04 GMT]]>Primary school students have to be in school by 715am. Daughter ends at 130pm and on 2 other days finishes at 1pm. But Fridays she has remedial, so finishes at 330. If school starts later, what time will school end? Son in secondary school ends at 2…but stays back several times a week for supplementary.


I am not in favour for school to start later because kids will return home later.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1372346https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1372346Thu, 28 Aug 2014 11:49:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to why most of primary students start morning session before 8? on Thu, 28 Aug 2014 08:28:55 GMT]]>I guess that is why distance is especially crucial in the early years. Travelling an hour to school at primary level is a lot. Maybe not so bad if your child can nap in the bus?


My kids wake at 6.30 (also a struggle for them as they do hv hectic ccas that end late), leave home at 7am and in school by 7.15am. Seems reasonable to me. Sec sch son is driven to sch by dh on the way to work, primary schoolers walk 10mins.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1372205https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1372205Thu, 28 Aug 2014 08:28:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to why most of primary students start morning session before 8? on Thu, 28 Aug 2014 07:40:22 GMT]]>Recent research by America have found that delaying the starting time of schools can improve grades by quarter of a grade.


The Singapore morning session (need to wake up at 6am or earlier) seems to disadvantage children who are more of the night-owl type. Famous night-owls include Charles Darwin, Winston Churchill, James Joyce, Marcel Proust, Keith Richards, Elvis Presley. Students might find it hard to stay awake if woken up at such a early time.
Schools in Europe typically start after 9am.

Source: http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... R_20140827

School Starts Too Early

The later high school classes start in the morning, the more academic performance improves
Aug 19, 2014 |By Mark Fischetti


Parents, students and teachers often argue, with little evidence, about whether U.S. high schools begin too early in the morning. In the past three years, however, scientific studies have piled up, and they all lead to the same conclusion: a later start time improves learning. And the later the start, the better.Biological research shows that circadian rhythms shift during the teen years, pushing boys and girls to stay up later at night and sleep later into the morning. The phase shift, driven by a change in melatonin in the brain, begins around age 13, gets stronger by ages 15 and 16, and peaks at ages 17, 18 or 19.
Does that affect learning? It does, according to Kyla Wahlstrom, director of the Center for Applied Research and Educational Improvement at the University of Minnesota. She published a large study in February that tracked more than 9,000 students in eight public high schools in Minnesota, Colorado and Wyoming. After one semester, when school began at 8:35 a.m. or later, grades earned in math, English, science and social studies typically rose a quarter step—for example, up halfway from B to B+.

Read more at: http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... R_20140827

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1372166https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1372166Thu, 28 Aug 2014 07:40:22 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to why most of primary students start morning session before 8? on Mon, 07 May 2012 07:52:37 GMT]]>Parents work so hard to bring money home…now an additional thing to pay - the enrichment centers/tutors to make sure kids pass school exams. It’s hard to leave office on the dot as bosses are unhappy. Working parents eat out with their kids…and reach home close to 9. After bath, it’s like 930/10.

Many working parents get to sleep only past midnight after settling kids in bed.

If kids start school later, it upsets the morning ritual for bus drivers and working parents.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757679https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757679Mon, 07 May 2012 07:52:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to why most of primary students start morning session before 8? on Mon, 07 May 2012 06:38:49 GMT]]>I prefer schools to start later too. Probably 9am to 3pm or 4pm. For remedial or CCA, have it before 9am 😉

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757632https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757632Mon, 07 May 2012 06:38:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to why most of primary students start morning session before 8? on Mon, 07 May 2012 01:03:07 GMT]]>

Busymom:
Say a P1 kid should have 10 hours of sleep, according to a recent article in the ST. If the kid has to wake up at 6am for school, this means he has to be in bed by 8pm. How many working parents actually get home by 8pm every night, let alone leaving office at 8pm? :roll:


So sacrifice sleep or sacrifice bonding time with child? Or leave bonding time to weekends or one of the parents has to become SAHP?? What about those parents who need to coach child on school work? Outsource to tuition centres?

I am for schools to start later, unless there is a shift in mindsets about leaving office at 6pm.
If bring home salary already so low, where got money outsource to tuition centres? I think the best will be quit job to coach own kid personally, as kid's personal tutor. :roll: :rant: But some people will look down on people who have no job. :nunchuk:

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757476https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757476Mon, 07 May 2012 01:03:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to why most of primary students start morning session before 8? on Mon, 07 May 2012 01:00:22 GMT]]>

5mp:
i try to let my kids go to bed latest by 9.30pm, so that they can have theoratically 8 hours sleep since they need to wake up at 5.30am to catch 6.10am school bus and reach school at around 7.10am.


my 9.30 fails more and more frequently this year since p6 homework getting more and more. we don't eat out; my kids don't do shopping with parents; my p6 girl has one cca on friday; her school ends 1.30pm and the shool bus brings her home around 2.30pm; she has one tuition on sunday 1pm-2pm.

i write more and feel sad more, for my kids and all
:sad: The kids work harder than us adults :? Go study in school, still got to do cca, home still have homework. Weekends still no time to play.

5.30am really early! I am still :snooze:

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757474https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757474Mon, 07 May 2012 01:00:22 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to why most of primary students start morning session before 8? on Sun, 06 May 2012 19:24:37 GMT]]>Say a P1 kid should have 10 hours of sleep, according to a recent article in the ST. If the kid has to wake up at 6am for school, this means he has to be in bed by 8pm. How many working parents actually get home by 8pm every night, let alone leaving office at 8pm? :roll:


So sacrifice sleep or sacrifice bonding time with child? Or leave bonding time to weekends or one of the parents has to become SAHP?? What about those parents who need to coach child on school work? Outsource to tuition centres?

I am for schools to start later, unless there is a shift in mindsets about leaving office at 6pm.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757435https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757435Sun, 06 May 2012 19:24:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to why most of primary students start morning session before 8? on Sun, 06 May 2012 13:32:07 GMT]]>

5mp:
daisyt:

As long as kids have 8 hours of sleep daily, I am fine. Unfortunately when come to sec school, this is never happening.


http://www.sleepfoundation.org/article/how-sleep-works/how-much-sleep-do-we-really-need

i guess 8 hours' sleep for kids is not enough...

8 hours is already 天方夜谭，not to mention more hours for teens. Project work is a killer which take up sooooo much time. Of course I still nag a lot to my dd to sleep early.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757252https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757252Sun, 06 May 2012 13:32:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to why most of primary students start morning session before 8? on Sun, 06 May 2012 12:52:15 GMT]]>Wait till they are in sec school. Most, and I say most, probably sleep very late.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757240https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757240Sun, 06 May 2012 12:52:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to why most of primary students start morning session before 8? on Sun, 06 May 2012 12:49:27 GMT]]>i try to let my kids go to bed latest by 9.30pm, so that they can have theoratically 8 hours sleep since they need to wake up at 5.30am to catch 6.10am school bus and reach school at around 7.10am.


my 9.30 fails more and more frequently this year since p6 homework getting more and more. we don’t eat out; my kids don’t do shopping with parents; my p6 girl has one cca on friday; her school ends 1.30pm and the shool bus brings her home around 2.30pm; she has one tuition on sunday 1pm-2pm.

i write more and feel sad more, for my kids and all

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757239https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757239Sun, 06 May 2012 12:49:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to why most of primary students start morning session before 8? on Sun, 06 May 2012 12:10:28 GMT]]>My dd can’t sleep early cos of her workload. But I make sure my ds sleeps before 930 on school nights. I don’t take them out on these nights nor do I send them for tuition at night.


Now I am bringing forward bedtime for ds. Initially he was unable to sleep before 9, now 845 and he is asleep.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757222https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757222Sun, 06 May 2012 12:10:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to why most of primary students start morning session before 8? on Sun, 06 May 2012 12:06:03 GMT]]>Many parents complained about late nights but I see, at about 8pm plus, children shopping with their parents, having meals in hawker centers, cafes, running around in libraries, having tuition classes which end at 930 pm all on school nights.


I know of children who will watch the 9pm chinese drama every nights with their family…so sleep at about 10 plus 11.

IMO, even if school is to start at 9 am, as long as the parents let the kids sleep late, no matter how late the school starts, it is still too early for some.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757220https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757220Sun, 06 May 2012 12:06:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to why most of primary students start morning session before 8? on Sun, 06 May 2012 11:37:34 GMT]]>

5mp:
can someone help to explain how \"early\" is just nice for kids?

Do you have children? If yes how old are they?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757209https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757209Sun, 06 May 2012 11:37:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to why most of primary students start morning session before 8? on Sun, 06 May 2012 11:30:35 GMT]]>

5mp:
can someone help to explain how \"early\" is just nice for kids?

Not sure about others, I personally find 7:30am is a reasonable time to start school. 7:15am assembly & by 7:30am lesson starts. I would prefer school to ends at 12:30pm or latest 1pm.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757206https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757206Sun, 06 May 2012 11:30:35 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to why most of primary students start morning session before 8? on Sun, 06 May 2012 10:57:16 GMT]]>

daisyt:
As long as kids have 8 hours of sleep daily, I am fine. Unfortunately when come to sec school, this is never happening.

http://www.sleepfoundation.org/article/how-sleep-works/how-much-sleep-do-we-really-need

i guess 8 hours' sleep for kids is not enough...

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757200https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757200Sun, 06 May 2012 10:57:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to why most of primary students start morning session before 8? on Sun, 06 May 2012 09:38:19 GMT]]>I find starts early is acceptable as long as ends early, have enough time for rest and homework and not throw with tons of homework to accomplish. Waking up early is a good habit but sleep late (due to overload of homework) is a bad habit. As we don’t live near to school, my child has started her wake up at 5.30am habit since primary school and still is now in sec. It is a matter of get use to wake up early. As long as kids have 8 hours of sleep daily, I am fine. Unfortunately when come to sec school, this is never happening.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757172https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757172Sun, 06 May 2012 09:38:19 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to why most of primary students start morning session before 8? on Sun, 06 May 2012 09:23:24 GMT]]>can someone help to explain how "early" is just nice for kids?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757168https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757168Sun, 06 May 2012 09:23:24 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to why most of primary students start morning session before 8? on Sun, 06 May 2012 09:03:32 GMT]]>I think the reasons for starting school before 8a.m. goes beyond that of convenience… Children get to develop good habits… early to bed and early to rise. It’s only a problem when parents delay the bed time of children, stretching it beyond to suit to their convenience.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757163https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757163Sun, 06 May 2012 09:03:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to why most of primary students start morning session before 8? on Sun, 06 May 2012 08:16:30 GMT]]>Personally I think it’s ok for school to start early as long as they end early so kids can reach home early to do their homework. The kids can then sleep early instead of doing homework till late into the night. It’s should not be a concern if kids have enough sleep. It’s only a concern when kids cannot sleep early but have to wake up early. 早睡早起 is a good habit that we should cultivate.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757147https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757147Sun, 06 May 2012 08:16:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to why most of primary students start morning session before 8? on Sun, 06 May 2012 05:51:51 GMT]]>Below are reasons collected in this forum for school morning session starting before 8am:

- parents would have enough time to get to their office after sending kids to school.
- avoid heat in classrooms.
- reduce traffic and human congestion.
- private bus can fetch kids then fetch workers.
- start later then end later which causes lesser time for homework.

To me all these sound reasonable for Mr. Convenience, but they are wrong to our next generation thus wrong to our Nation.

Kids need more rest than adults to grow well. Our current schools hours design, partially because of two sessions in early days, starts morning session too early. Our children don’t have the say but their body protest; it’s upto parents to change it.

Please help kids to help our nation.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757118https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/757118Sun, 06 May 2012 05:51:51 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to why most of primary students start morning session before 8? on Sat, 05 May 2012 07:02:46 GMT]]>

mgnvr:
I am hoping that when schools go single session, lessons will start at 8am instead of 7.30am.

My son has to reach school before 715am or he will be considered late.
I am hoping school ends latest 1pm. This way, kids will be get to enjoy lunch and have time to rest before starting homework.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/756820https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/756820Sat, 05 May 2012 07:02:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to why most of primary students start morning session before 8? on Sat, 05 May 2012 06:53:46 GMT]]>I am hoping that when schools go single session, lessons will start at 8am instead of 7.30am.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/756817https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/756817Sat, 05 May 2012 06:53:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to why most of primary students start morning session before 8? on Sat, 05 May 2012 04:18:59 GMT]]>

lim72:
This issue of not allowing primary school children to start school later is BUSES! The buses have to rush to fetch the office/workers who are paying more than parents.


For example, my friend's dd school is a single session which starts at about 8am but most of the students taking school buses reach the school before 7.30 and some as early as 7.10am! So her dd has been complaining of waiting for school bus before sun rises and there are so much idle time before school starts.
Yah which defeats the purpose of the school starting later.

We can suggest that the school buses ferry only school students in the morning but these drivers need to feed a family too. To do that, they will definitely have to increase the bus fee.

The bus ferrying the kids to an international school from my place is a spanking new bus and picks the kids up at only 7.30am but the bus fee is easily double of what I am paying for my kids.

Am I willing to pay that for 1 more hour of sleep for my kiddos? I am and I can but there are many who cannot.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/756748https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/756748Sat, 05 May 2012 04:18:59 GMT