$2.2k for a bike

Reply to $2.2k for a bike on Thu, 29 Aug 2013 04:45:36 GMT

winchester — Thu, 29 Aug 2013 04:45:36 GMT

the clean up continues. pap mp or minister next?

Reply to $2.2k for a bike on Thu, 29 Aug 2013 04:31:27 GMT

limlim — Thu, 29 Aug 2013 04:31:27 GMT

http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-news/singapore/story/nparks-assistant-director-behind-brompton-bikes-controversy-charged-20

http://www.todayonline.com/singapore/brompton-bikes-saga-senior-nparks-director-charged-court

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/eat-drink-man-woman-16/%5Bnews%5D-nparks-assistant-director-behind-brompton-bikes-controversy-charged-4356398.html

only withheld of information..?

Reply to $2.2k for a bike on Thu, 26 Jul 2012 03:26:57 GMT

concern2 — Thu, 26 Jul 2012 03:26:57 GMT

ksi:
fightingmom:

So.. The crook and the good guy is just 一线之差点，difference is whether corrupted or not.
Haven't you heard a smart crook is a genius without the moral education? So our GE education better focus on morals else they can potentially end up as intelligent crooks and makes the police job even tougher. White collar crime is sometimes worser, they can make people kill themselves without having to kill them.....you see that in Ghost right? :evil:

:goodpost:

Reply to $2.2k for a bike on Wed, 25 Jul 2012 23:38:49 GMT

corneyAmber — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 23:38:49 GMT

fightingmom:

So.. The crook and the good guy is just 一线之差点，difference is whether corrupted or not.

Haven't you heard a smart crook is a genius without the moral education? So our GE education better focus on morals else they can potentially end up as intelligent crooks and makes the police job even tougher. White collar crime is sometimes worser, they can make people kill themselves without having to kill them.....you see that in Ghost right? :evil:

Reply to $2.2k for a bike on Wed, 25 Jul 2012 23:04:42 GMT

fightingmom — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 23:04:42 GMT

verykiasu2010:
fightingmom:
[quote=\"daisyt\"]Should encourage our kids to study hard and join CPIB, there is a demand there. Hee hee ...

Hmmm.. More such cases are expected in future? :idea: that's why need more manpower ?

:siam: :siam:

u need to be worse than the crook to be able to catch them

that's why they never caught MSK[/quote]So.. The crook and the good guy is just 一线之差点，difference is whether corrupted or not.

Reply to $2.2k for a bike on Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:54:53 GMT

verykiasu2010 — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:54:53 GMT

fightingmom:
ksi:
[quote=\"limlim\"]

Tuition for more values and morals? :evil:
Bo seng li leh..... :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

:rotflmao: :rotflmao:[/quote]make it compulsory to get A* in PSLE to be considered for IP school

Reply to $2.2k for a bike on Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:53:05 GMT

verykiasu2010 — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:53:05 GMT

fightingmom:
daisyt:
Should encourage our kids to study hard and join CPIB, there is a demand there. Hee hee ...

Hmmm.. More such cases are expected in future? :idea: that's why need more manpower ?

:siam: :siam:

u need to be worse than the crook to be able to catch them

that's why they never caught MSK

Reply to $2.2k for a bike on Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:32:46 GMT

fightingmom — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:32:46 GMT

ksi:
limlim:

Tuition for more values and morals? :evil:
Bo seng li leh..... :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

:rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Reply to $2.2k for a bike on Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:18:39 GMT

corneyAmber — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:18:39 GMT

limlim:
ksi:
[quote=\"fightingmom\"]
Hmmm.. More such cases are expected in future? :idea: that's why need more manpower ?

:siam: :siam:
If our education reinforces more values and morals, then we don't have to expect more such cases in future.

Tuition for more values and morals? :evil:[/quote]Bo seng li leh..... :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Reply to $2.2k for a bike on Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:48:32 GMT

limlim — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:48:32 GMT

ksi:
fightingmom:
[quote=\"daisyt\"]Should encourage our kids to study hard and join CPIB, there is a demand there. Hee hee ...

Hmmm.. More such cases are expected in future? :idea: that's why need more manpower ?

:siam: :siam:

If our education reinforces more values and morals, then we don't have to expect more such cases in future.[/quote]Tuition for more values and morals? :evil:

Reply to $2.2k for a bike on Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:38:59 GMT

corneyAmber — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:38:59 GMT

fightingmom:
daisyt:
Should encourage our kids to study hard and join CPIB, there is a demand there. Hee hee ...

Hmmm.. More such cases are expected in future? :idea: that's why need more manpower ?

:siam: :siam:

If our education reinforces more values and morals, then we don't have to expect more such cases in future.

Reply to $2.2k for a bike on Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:49:22 GMT

fightingmom — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:49:22 GMT

daisyt:
Should encourage our kids to study hard and join CPIB, there is a demand there. Hee hee ...

Hmmm.. More such cases are expected in future? :idea: that's why need more manpower ?

:siam: :siam:

Reply to $2.2k for a bike on Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:22:46 GMT

daisyt — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:22:46 GMT

Should encourage our kids to study hard and join CPIB, there is a demand there. Hee hee …

Reply to $2.2k for a bike on Wed, 25 Jul 2012 10:10:33 GMT

Daddy D — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 10:10:33 GMT

http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_825964.html

[quote]Purchase of Brompton bikes 'reported to CPIB'...[/quote]CPIB sibei Bo Eng lately...
:shock:

Reply to $2.2k for a bike on Wed, 25 Jul 2012 02:52:46 GMT

AC_Power — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 02:52:46 GMT

He deserves to be suspended. Simply too many questions left unanswered in this tender. I won’t be surprise if the person whistleblowing on the internet is from the authorised dealer. LOL

Reply to $2.2k for a bike on Tue, 24 Jul 2012 15:47:41 GMT

verykiasu2010 — Tue, 24 Jul 2012 15:47:41 GMT

makes for intriguing reading what other websites have been suggesting

Reply to $2.2k for a bike on Tue, 24 Jul 2012 13:28:16 GMT

corneyAmber — Tue, 24 Jul 2012 13:28:16 GMT

http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20120724-361100.html

SINGAPORE - The Ministry of National Development (MND) has completed the internal audit of the purchase of 26 foldable bicycles, which costs $2,200 each, by the National Parks Board (NParks).
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MND said in a statement to the media on Tuesday that the NParks officer responsible for the transaction - which totalled to $57,200 - has been suspended from duty.

In a tender issued in January, NParks bought foldable Brompton bicycles for its officers to use on patrols.

The big price tag of the purchase subsequently raised some eyebrows, with many Singaporeans questioning if the bikes were too expensive.

In the inquiry, MND found that \"the reasons for purchasing the foldable bikes to enhance work productivity of NParks field staff were valid\", but \"it had also uncovered some discrepancies which, although inconclusive by themselves, suggested the possibility of bias in the procurement.\"

As a result, the Ministry has decided that the discrepancies were significant and warrant further investigation.

Last month, an MND Internal Audit team was tasked by Minister Khaw Boon Wan to work with NParks to review the purchase with a view to ascertain its justification and to see if its procurement process could be improved.

In a blog post on July 4, Mr Khaw had defended the purchase of the bikes. When he asked NParks for the rationale for the purchase, the statutory board cited staff productivity as the main reason for the purchase: \"Providing staff with bikes was thought to be a simple and effective way to raise staff productivity as it enables the officer to cover more ground and do more inspections within the same time.\"

NParks officers in the Park Connector Division cover between 30 to 40km in their daily rounds.

Mr Khaw added that a foldable bicycle was chosen because such bicycles \"would eliminate the need for an office van to transport the bikes and the staff to the areas of their daily rounds\". The NParks staff would also be able to carry them onto buses and trains where necessary.

He also said that Brompton was picked because only one vendor responded to the tender with a bid price lower than the listed retail price of the same bicycle.

While a Brompton bike costs more than foldable bicycles with similar specifications, Mr Khaw said cyclists told him the bike was durable and would require less maintenance after heavy usage.

He concluded: \"It looks like NParks has bought the right equipment. However, it also looks like NParks might have gotten a better deal if there was greater participation in this quotation.\"

Reply to $2.2k for a bike on Tue, 24 Jul 2012 13:27:56 GMT

Daddy D — Tue, 24 Jul 2012 13:27:56 GMT

http://www.todayonline.com/Hotnews/EDC120724-0000140/MND-suspends-NParks-officer-in-charge-of-buying-foldable-bikes

[quote]MND suspends NParks officer in charge of buying foldable bikes...[/quote]Internet is serious business... Complain till kena suspended...
:yikes:

Reply to $2.2k for a bike on Fri, 20 Jul 2012 06:29:44 GMT

tutormum — Fri, 20 Jul 2012 06:29:44 GMT

:stompfeet: :stompfeet: I think the bone of contention here is the cost of the bike regardless of quality and value for money. Do you need a cow knife to kill a chicken? What's the purpose of having a bike in the first place? Joke aside, definitely not for chasing wild dogs or boars. Goodness, even the police bikes cost much less. Is this how taxpayers' money will be used in the future? :stompfeet: :stompfeet: This issue here is : can this money be put to better use like helping the Lims (there are many of them!!!). :mad: :mad: Maybe this is better than helping the Lims? :gloomy:

When it comes to donations (so many of these fund raising every year : NKF, Ren Ci etc) the public is encouraged to give and help. Honestly, it looks like *** to me. Doesn't anybody see the similarity? :censored: :siam:
Ah Gong must really justify if he wants to be transparent. What is a good deal? Eating $3 chicken rice in hawker centre or pay $10 in restaurant? Remember this question posted : What do you want? :slapshead: :slapshead:

Reply to $2.2k for a bike on Fri, 20 Jul 2012 01:47:17 GMT

winchester — Fri, 20 Jul 2012 01:47:17 GMT

AC_Power:

You reject a single bid if it is to your disadvantage. Say if the prevailing market rate is around $1k rental, why would you accept a single $1 bid?

On the contrary, if the single bid is received to your favour, you accept it. If that single bid is $10k for the rental, would they reject?

Back to this case, I think there is nothing wrong accepting this single bid as the offered price is still lower than RRP. My question however, is why the authorised distributor is not even invited to quote? This I feel, is fishy.

yup, cost and single bid not the issues here. why authorised distributor not invited. maybe got bad experience with their service, we can only speculate.

Reply to $2.2k for a bike on Fri, 20 Jul 2012 01:38:13 GMT

winchester — Fri, 20 Jul 2012 01:38:13 GMT

Sim TT:
IMHO, 2.2K or 57K is really nothing to the govt. Let's be realistic. They buy airplanes is billions. Even the minister official car also at least 180K (benz or volvo). This bike MSRP is $2250 I think should be easily able to get 2K flat.

Eat this type of money and get caught by CPIB is not worth it. The real big fishes are in the defence and IT contracts worth millions. That is where the big fishes swim.

personally, it is not cost. it is whether value for money in terms of quality. if it is $2,200, ok, it better be quality. then on ties to bikehop, not really a problem as long as it is transparent. can always invite friends to bid, as long as no undertable and they win bid fairly. in this case, did bikehop win bid fairly?

it is not even cpib case unless got money and favours. the bike is nparks property still.

Reply to $2.2k for a bike on Fri, 20 Jul 2012 01:32:10 GMT

fightingmom — Fri, 20 Jul 2012 01:32:10 GMT

Sun_2010:
AC_Power:
[quote=\"Dawnie\"]Anyone read this? http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/07/16/more-than-meets-the-eye-for-bikehops-deal-with-national-parks/

Have to admit, I do smell a fish here.

Is it pregnant?

:rotflmao: :rotflmao:[/quote] :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Reply to $2.2k for a bike on Fri, 20 Jul 2012 01:26:25 GMT

concern2 — Fri, 20 Jul 2012 01:26:25 GMT

tutormum:
Maybe it's cos I'm serving in the Church Ministry helping the destitute that it seems to me that there are so many of them around or is there a significant increase over the recent years? Never seem to see any during my teens leh. :scratchhead: :scratchhead:

Last time they don't sell tissues. Now, there's nothing they can sell without having to pay rent. :offtopic:

Reply to $2.2k for a bike on Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:02:25 GMT

tutormum — Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:02:25 GMT

Sim TT:
IMHO, 2.2K or 57K is really nothing to the govt. Let's be realistic. They buy airplanes is billions. Even the minister official car also at least 180K (benz or volvo). This bike MSRP is $2250 I think should be easily able to get 2K flat.

Eat this type of money and get caught by CPIB is not worth it. The real big fishes are in the defence and IT contracts worth millions. That is where the big fishes swim.

I heard a story about somebody buying some planes some time ago
(think not in our country) :censored: :censored:
Sad that we can pay 2.2k for a bike when 200 will do and our poor elderly subject to hardship cos money tied up in CPF. Should have a policy for those above 70 can use CPF for medical purposes. Ah Gong should consider building elderly village for those who have no children and deduct their CPF money for all expenses. This is the least Ah Gong can do to ensure that they don't end up selling tissues and clearing tables. I feel bad every time I turn down the old man selling tissues but I can't afford to buy from him every time. DS3 calculated that for every packet of tissue sold, the profit is 700%. Maybe it's cos I'm serving in the Church Ministry helping the destitute that it seems to me that there are so many of them around or is there a significant increase over the recent years? Never seem to see any during my teens leh. :scratchhead: :scratchhead: