<![CDATA[at wat age can our kids renounce their citizenship?]]>my both DS born in SG


but thinking of leaving this damn place and settle down elsewhere
at wat age would it be for them to whether keep their status or leave the country?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/topic/37470/at-wat-age-can-our-kids-renounce-their-citizenshipRSS for NodeMon, 20 Apr 2026 16:49:37 GMTTue, 03 Jul 2012 01:16:41 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to at wat age can our kids renounce their citizenship? on Wed, 11 Jul 2012 03:38:02 GMT]]>

Way2GO:

Spoke to a few PRs who r frank enuf to say they r using SG as a stepping stone to d West/Oz/NZ.
Dr NEH did put out d msg dat if one is not committed to dis country, one shd not become PR.
Now he just gotta turn those words into action.
Yup, agreed.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/793433https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/793433Wed, 11 Jul 2012 03:38:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to at wat age can our kids renounce their citizenship? on Wed, 11 Jul 2012 03:01:19 GMT]]>

laughingcat:


Harsh penalties for PR who don't serve NS by Dr Ng Eng Hen

http://media.straitstimes.com/st/popup.php?v=http://video.razor.tv/vods/20120630_SGNow_NgEngHen1_Replace1341046458886_high.mp4
In dat clip, MOD Dr NEH mentioned dat 1/3 of PR sons skipped NS in last 5 years.
Wat r d harsh penalties?
1. PRs put up bond for their sons; bonds to be forfeited if they don't fulfill their NS duties.

2. MOM will consider tourist/work re-entry for PR sons who skip NS.

Wat else?

For (1), citizens r also putting up bonds for their sons who go overseas for > 3 months IIRC n who hv yet to fulfill their NS liability.
For (2), its not a hard n fast rule, at discretion of power-dat-be.
Wld these 'harsh' penalties deter u if u were a PR considering skipping NS?

Spoke to a few PRs who r frank enuf to say they r using SG as a stepping stone to d West/Oz/NZ.
Dr NEH did put out d msg dat if one is not committed to dis country, one shd not become PR.
Now he just gotta turn those words into action.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/793383https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/793383Wed, 11 Jul 2012 03:01:19 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to at wat age can our kids renounce their citizenship? on Wed, 11 Jul 2012 02:02:38 GMT]]>

DesertWind:
Way2GO:

These type of PRs who game d system we don't need.

There r also some FTs whose father, mother, daughters gained citizenship status for d benefits
but their son(s) opts out so as not to do NS.
d ppl who served n feel disadvantaged for giving 2 or more years n subsequent ICTs disrupting work/career n missing promotions r upset with d gahmen for allowing dis to continue.

Yes, these type of PRs who game the system we don't need but we GET. :gloomy:

Such FTs have choices to opt. in or out (we don't). Garmen allowing it with the consolation thought that their next generation will sink their roots here. Perhaps but perhaps not...

People feel upset because not enough distinction of benefits between citizens and PRs. With the thought of having to sacrifice our sons' lifes and yet not having much better advantages. Just sucks.

[Kerna slammed left, right and centre 🦆 I feel like I have crossed over to the dark side! :nunchuk: ]


Harsh penalties for PR who don't serve NS by Dr Ng Eng Hen

http://media.straitstimes.com/st/popup.php?v=http://video.razor.tv/vods/20120630_SGNow_NgEngHen1_Replace1341046458886_high.mp4

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/793331https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/793331Wed, 11 Jul 2012 02:02:38 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to at wat age can our kids renounce their citizenship? on Tue, 10 Jul 2012 10:15:36 GMT]]>

Way2GO:
These type of PRs who game d system we don't need.

There r also some FTs whose father, mother, daughters gained citizenship status for d benefits
but their son(s) opts out so as not to do NS.
d ppl who served n feel disadvantaged for giving 2 or more years n subsequent ICTs disrupting work/career n missing promotions r upset with d gahmen for allowing dis to continue.
Yes, these type of PRs who game the system we don't need but we GET. :gloomy:

Such FTs have choices to opt. in or out (we don't). Garmen allowing it with the consolation thought that their next generation will sink their roots here. Perhaps but perhaps not...

People feel upset because not enough distinction of benefits between citizens and PRs. With the thought of having to sacrifice our sons' lifes and yet not having much better advantages. Just sucks.

[Kerna slammed left, right and centre 🦆 I feel like I have crossed over to the dark side! :nunchuk: ]

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/793048https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/793048Tue, 10 Jul 2012 10:15:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to at wat age can our kids renounce their citizenship? on Tue, 10 Jul 2012 10:04:17 GMT]]>

lim72:
Only 2nd generation.of PRs needs to.do.NS. My PR friends study in Sg since Secondary schools need not do NS and apply for Sg citizenship after 35+ .

Yes, your friend escaped. Have good life here (I presume). And we wait long long for him to have a 2nd generation. That is, if he get married and his kids born here...

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/793039https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/793039Tue, 10 Jul 2012 10:04:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to at wat age can our kids renounce their citizenship? on Tue, 10 Jul 2012 09:42:55 GMT]]>

verykiasu2010:
who says PR kids no need do NS ?

Yes, PR kids who are born here and citizen need to do NS. Such are \"caught\" as good as the rest of us here. PR who go back to their own countries and their kids not born here escape again. No?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/793030https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/793030Tue, 10 Jul 2012 09:42:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to at wat age can our kids renounce their citizenship? on Tue, 10 Jul 2012 09:41:30 GMT]]>

verykiasu2010:
you want PR ? there will be pay back time before they will consider

Like how, vk2010? Nowadays your posts very vague I have trouble understanding you leh. :?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/793028https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/793028Tue, 10 Jul 2012 09:41:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to at wat age can our kids renounce their citizenship? on Tue, 10 Jul 2012 09:39:46 GMT]]>

3Boys:
DesertWind:

Should SG-reans renounce their citizenship and come back as a PR?

Get all the good benefits and no need much liability. For example, no need to serve NS?

Have you not read the papers on this? You renounce to escape NS, you think you gonna get PR?

Yes, I have read the recent newspapers and what the minister Ng said about this.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/793027https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/793027Tue, 10 Jul 2012 09:39:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to at wat age can our kids renounce their citizenship? on Tue, 10 Jul 2012 02:37:52 GMT]]>

lim72:
verykiasu2010:

[quote=\"DesertWind\"]If the SG-reans gets lesser and lesser with the birth rate and all, and PR kids no need to do NS, then does it still make sense for SG-boys to do NS?


A key argument by the PRs, they too pay tax hence they should have equal rights to all the benefits.

How about NS?

Garmen expect us to do NS to protect the interest of the foreigners and PRs? :scared:

who says PR kids no need do NS ?

Only 2nd generation.of PRs needs to.do.NS. My PR friends study in Sg since Secondary schools need not do NS and apply for Sg citizenship after 35+
.[/quote]These type of PRs who game d system we don't need.
There r also some FTs whose father, mother, daughters gained citizenship status for d benefits
but their son(s) opts out so as not to do NS.
d ppl who served n feel disadvantaged for giving 2 or more years n subsequent ICTs disrupting work/career n missing promotions r upset with d gahmen for allowing dis to continue.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/792641https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/792641Tue, 10 Jul 2012 02:37:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to at wat age can our kids renounce their citizenship? on Tue, 10 Jul 2012 02:04:29 GMT]]>

verykiasu2010:
DesertWind:

If the SG-reans gets lesser and lesser with the birth rate and all, and PR kids no need to do NS, then does it still make sense for SG-boys to do NS?


A key argument by the PRs, they too pay tax hence they should have equal rights to all the benefits.

How about NS?

Garmen expect us to do NS to protect the interest of the foreigners and PRs? :scared:

who says PR kids no need do NS ?

Only 2nd generation.of PRs needs to.do.NS. My PR friends study in Sg since Secondary schools need not do NS and apply for Sg citizenship after 35+
.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/792603https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/792603Tue, 10 Jul 2012 02:04:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to at wat age can our kids renounce their citizenship? on Tue, 10 Jul 2012 01:36:41 GMT]]>

DesertWind:
If the SG-reans gets lesser and lesser with the birth rate and all, and PR kids no need to do NS, then does it still make sense for SG-boys to do NS?


A key argument by the PRs, they too pay tax hence they should have equal rights to all the benefits.

How about NS?

Garmen expect us to do NS to protect the interest of the foreigners and PRs? :scared:
who says PR kids no need do NS ?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/792582https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/792582Tue, 10 Jul 2012 01:36:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to at wat age can our kids renounce their citizenship? on Tue, 10 Jul 2012 01:32:43 GMT]]>

DesertWind:
Funz:

[quote=\"DesertWind\"]Should SG-reans renounce their citizenship and come back as a PR?

Get all the good benefits and no need much liability. For example, no need to serve NS?

you think it will be that easily obtained? You spurned your citizenship yet wanna apply for PR?

Yes, I have the impression from old (perhaps during the \"quitters\" era) that once you renounced SG-citizenship, don't hope to come back here again. I am sure they won't re-grant the SG-citizenship. But I am not so sure about PR status ie. how about you/your kids just work here and pay your taxes.... 🤷[/quote]you want PR ? there will be pay back time before they will consider

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/792578https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/792578Tue, 10 Jul 2012 01:32:43 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to at wat age can our kids renounce their citizenship? on Mon, 09 Jul 2012 09:48:52 GMT]]>

Funz:
DesertWind:

Should SG-reans renounce their citizenship and come back as a PR?

Get all the good benefits and no need much liability. For example, no need to serve NS?

you think it will be that easily obtained? You spurned your citizenship yet wanna apply for PR?

Yes, I have the impression from old (perhaps during the \"quitters\" era) that once you renounced SG-citizenship, don't hope to come back here again. I am sure they won't re-grant the SG-citizenship. But I am not so sure about PR status ie. how about you/your kids just work here and pay your taxes.... 🤷

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/792238https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/792238Mon, 09 Jul 2012 09:48:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to at wat age can our kids renounce their citizenship? on Mon, 09 Jul 2012 09:05:46 GMT]]>

DesertWind:
Should SG-reans renounce their citizenship and come back as a PR?


Get all the good benefits and no need much liability. For example, no need to serve NS?
Have you not read the papers on this? You renounce to escape NS, you think you gonna get PR?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/792213https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/792213Mon, 09 Jul 2012 09:05:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to at wat age can our kids renounce their citizenship? on Mon, 09 Jul 2012 08:40:50 GMT]]>

DesertWind:
Should SG-reans renounce their citizenship and come back as a PR?


Get all the good benefits and no need much liability. For example, no need to serve NS?
you think it will be that easily obtained? You spurned your citizenship yet wanna apply for PR?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/792198https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/792198Mon, 09 Jul 2012 08:40:50 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to at wat age can our kids renounce their citizenship? on Mon, 09 Jul 2012 08:31:59 GMT]]>If the SG-reans gets lesser and lesser with the birth rate and all, and PR kids no need to do NS, then does it still make sense for SG-boys to do NS?


A key argument by the PRs, they too pay tax hence they should have equal rights to all the benefits.

How about NS?

Garmen expect us to do NS to protect the interest of the foreigners and PRs? :scared:

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/792191https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/792191Mon, 09 Jul 2012 08:31:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to at wat age can our kids renounce their citizenship? on Mon, 09 Jul 2012 08:30:01 GMT]]>Should SG-reans renounce their citizenship and come back as a PR?


Get all the good benefits and no need much liability. For example, no need to serve NS?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/792190https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/792190Mon, 09 Jul 2012 08:30:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to at wat age can our kids renounce their citizenship? on Mon, 09 Jul 2012 08:25:25 GMT]]>

kamom:
Hi all,


I am a trailing spouse for the past 5 years due to my husband's job. I have talked to many overseas Singaporeans. Some are in Australia, NZ, USA, China etc....apart from the quality life style that is missing in SG, they do not love living overseas. Why? The absence of childhood friends, the absence of family ties. I have relatives who have made the bold move of renouncing their citizenships and majority of them regret. I have a SIL, who has married a NZ man, already have two adult girls, still keeps her SG citizenship.

Honestly, the pasture is only greener when you look over your fence but it is not any greener than your own when you have crossed over.

I will be home for good in two months time and :rahrah: :rahrah: :rahrah:
Home for GOOD ? Great! WELCOME HOME, kamon ! :rahrah:

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/792186https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/792186Mon, 09 Jul 2012 08:25:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to at wat age can our kids renounce their citizenship? on Mon, 09 Jul 2012 06:14:32 GMT]]>

IJJ:
may end up jumping from one fire to another.

Agree.
Funz:

And seriously, I think Singapore is a decent place to call home.
Altho in recent years, many bad policies or rather not-well-thot policies were implemented and many problems have surfaced. It is still a decent place to live in. No place on this planet is perfect. There will be some good and some bad in each place. To be happy, one must learn to be able to live above the challenges. :hi5:

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/792076https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/792076Mon, 09 Jul 2012 06:14:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to at wat age can our kids renounce their citizenship? on Mon, 09 Jul 2012 04:21:31 GMT]]>I have friends who have been living overseas, and friends who are happily living in Singapore. To each its own.


To renounce or not, as I always advise friends who ask, a choice of citizenship should be made positively on the basis on where you prefer to stay after a rational comparison of conditions, rather than the basis of negativity i.e. you do not like it here so you have to choose there. The latter way of making choices may end up jumping from one fire to another.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/792010https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/792010Mon, 09 Jul 2012 04:21:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to at wat age can our kids renounce their citizenship? on Mon, 09 Jul 2012 03:50:12 GMT]]>

kamom:
Hi all,


I am a trailing spouse for the past 5 years due to my husband's job. I have talked to many overseas Singaporeans. Some are in Australia, NZ, USA, China etc....apart from the quality life style that is missing in SG, they do not love living overseas. Why? The absence of childhood friends, the absence of family ties. I have relatives who have made the bold move of renouncing their citizenships and majority of them regret. I have a SIL, who has married a NZ man, already have two adult girls, still keeps her SG citizenship.

Honestly, the pasture is only greener when you look over your fence but it is not any greener than your own when you have crossed over.

I will be home for good in two months time and :rahrah: :rahrah: :rahrah:
:celebrate:

Grass is always greener on the other side.

While I have foreign friends who are well to do and lead a comfortable lifestyle. I have also met many who cannot see themselves ever being able to own their own apartment. A lot of them are living in rentals and have limited savings. Most of their earnings go into taxes, rent and insurance.

We envy them, they envy us.

And seriously, I think Singapore is a decent place to call home.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/791981https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/791981Mon, 09 Jul 2012 03:50:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to at wat age can our kids renounce their citizenship? on Mon, 09 Jul 2012 03:46:14 GMT]]>

kamom:
Hi all,


I am a trailing spouse for the past 5 years due to my husband's job. I have talked to many overseas Singaporeans. Some are in Australia, NZ, USA, China etc....apart from the quality life style that is missing in SG, they do not love living overseas. Why? The absence of childhood friends, the absence of family ties. I have relatives who have made the bold move of renouncing their citizenships and majority of them regret. I have a SIL, who has married a NZ man, already have two adult girls, still keeps her SG citizenship.

Honestly, the pasture is only greener when you look over your fence but it is not any greener than your own when you have crossed over.

I will be home for good in two months time and :rahrah: :rahrah: :rahrah:
:celebrate:

Grass is always greener on the other side.

While I have foreign friends who are well to do and lead a comfortable lifestyle. I have also met many who cannot see themselves ever being able to own their own apartment. A lot of them are living in rentals and have limited savings. Most of their earnings go into taxes, rent and insurance.

We envy them, they envy us.

And seriously, I think Singapore is a decent place to call home.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/791979https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/791979Mon, 09 Jul 2012 03:46:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to at wat age can our kids renounce their citizenship? on Mon, 09 Jul 2012 03:06:38 GMT]]>Hi all,


I am a trailing spouse for the past 5 years due to my husband's job. I have talked to many overseas Singaporeans. Some are in Australia, NZ, USA, China etc....apart from the quality life style that is missing in SG, they do not love living overseas. Why? The absence of childhood friends, the absence of family ties. I have relatives who have made the bold move of renouncing their citizenships and majority of them regret. I have a SIL, who has married a NZ man, already have two adult girls, still keeps her SG citizenship.

Honestly, the pasture is only greener when you look over your fence but it is not any greener than your own when you have crossed over.

I will be home for good in two months time and :rahrah: :rahrah: :rahrah:

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/791944https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/791944Mon, 09 Jul 2012 03:06:38 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to at wat age can our kids renounce their citizenship? on Mon, 09 Jul 2012 02:57:22 GMT]]>

ahkeong:
LOLMum:



Hi ahkeong, so where are u going? :preen:

we are considering moving to australia.. or maybe somewhere nearer like malaysia and even indonesia which is my wife's country of birth

And do you think that you'd be better off in any of those places? It seems to me if you are casting around like that without a specific plan, its really some deep seated resentment about Singapore, misguided or not, as opposed to some real tangible advantage in moving.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/791932https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/791932Mon, 09 Jul 2012 02:57:22 GMT