Nature or nurture?

Reply to Nature or nurture? on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:07:35 GMT

en107rn.01056yahoo.01056com.01056sg — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:07:35 GMT

[quote]I think all children can be taught how to draw beautifully, but to stand out from the rest, the child usually has in-born talent. There’s this extra X factor in the drawings that distinguish the ONE from the rest that are drawn well but are ordinary. [/quote]
I have the same sentiment too. However, children endowed with nature without nurture will just have their potential unrealised. Children without nature but is being nurtured will have the opportunity to move forward.

Reply to Nature or nurture? on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:33:46 GMT

corneyAmber — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:33:46 GMT

insider:
ks2me:
I remember her first drawings of people look like aliens.

Errr...you talking about me? Until now the human that I draw still look like aliens... kakaka...

Ah...so you have just presented me the crystal ball to look into her future.... :lol:

Reply to Nature or nurture? on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:42:07 GMT

corneyAmber — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:42:07 GMT

How about kids who cannot draw beautifully but simply loves to draw, paint and doodle? What category are they?

My child does it for self-expression, whether nice or not is not an issue at all! :lol: So the nature part of her is love to express, the nurture part is to guide her how to be more mainstream and acceptable in the expression dept otherwise it may eventually become abstract? I remember her first drawings of people look like aliens.

But I believe those who can do well are born with the talent.

Reply to Nature or nurture? on Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:29:46 GMT

hopeful4future — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:29:46 GMT

for art classes, i think they hold them in Yamaha for quite a few years now! or you can check with your CC..

about perfect pitch, i heard that kids who converse in tonal languages (languages with tones - like mandarin) tend to be more likely to have perfect pitch :lol: mostly, it's inborn, though.. and not a Must if you're interested in music anyway

~ We worry about what a child will become tomorrow, yet we forget that he is someone today.

Reply to Nature or nurture? on Mon, 03 Nov 2008 07:41:39 GMT

sunflower — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 07:41:39 GMT

I think all children can be taught how to draw beautifully, but to stand out from the rest, the child usually has in-born talent. There’s this extra X factor in the drawings that distinguish the ONE from the rest that are drawn well but are ordinary.

I’ve a friend who didn’t go for any art lesson, but she could draw really well. She loved fashion design and when we saw her drawings during our sec sch days, we were amazed that the way she drew the figures/clothes were very professional! They really looked like those that you could only find in fashion design mags/bks.

Reply to Nature or nurture? on Mon, 03 Nov 2008 06:13:50 GMT

khandelwalpooja — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 06:13:50 GMT

Hey MummyLoves,

Which art class r ur kids going to…I’m planning to send my son for some such activity class, where they teach art and craft…any place u can recommend?

Reply to Nature or nurture? on Mon, 03 Nov 2008 01:21:46 GMT

mummyloves — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 01:21:46 GMT

Ha... I think art/ drawing is inborn

My son goes to art class since he was 3 y o. Now he is 5 and still can't really draw!! tho he enjoys the lessons a lot!

Reply to Nature or nurture? on Thu, 03 Jan 2008 05:43:31 GMT

super_dad — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 05:43:31 GMT

ChiefKiasu:
Is artistic talent in-born only, or can it be grown? Most kids naturally love to draw and sing. We parents tend to take this as a sign that our kids have artistic talents and try to send them for enrichment courses to hopefully groom the talents.

What are the signs that your child exhibit that made you send him or her to the art classes?

I think in a way, all abilities are born. But it can be cultivate and trained.
But the genius ones usually the in borne ones. All the classes only serve to develop and release the potential.

Not to say that normal people cannot enjoy art and music. I play a lousy piano, but I still get a kick out of it.

As for art, I have never been to a proper art class. Only to a design one. And surprisingly, my classmates in my design course, cannot even draw. hmmm...But people around me tells me that I can draw. Somehow, it is quite effortless to me to mimic any picture that I see.

Reply to Nature or nurture? on Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:08:55 GMT

phantom — Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:08:55 GMT

ChiefKiasu:

Dunno. My kid has been doing piano since he was 4 and he still can't remember what he had for breakfast. But he remembers the room number of the hotel we stayed in Australia 6 years back. So it depends on whether he wants to remember or not.

Wow, your son must have did something interesting in Australia back then to remember the room number. I can't remember those things

Reply to Nature or nurture? on Wed, 26 Dec 2007 05:26:28 GMT

ChiefKiasu — Wed, 26 Dec 2007 05:26:28 GMT

phantom:
Heard that learning music or piano will help a kid to be more creative and uses their right brain improving memory. Anyone's kid has been to piano courses? Does it helps in improving their memory?

Dunno. My kid has been doing piano since he was 4 and he still can't remember what he had for breakfast. But he remembers the room number of the hotel we stayed in Australia 6 years back. So it depends on whether he wants to remember or not.

Reply to Nature or nurture? on Wed, 26 Dec 2007 03:47:33 GMT

phantom — Wed, 26 Dec 2007 03:47:33 GMT

Heard that learning music or piano will help a kid to be more creative and uses their right brain improving memory. Anyone’s kid has been to piano courses? Does it helps in improving their memory?

Reply to Nature or nurture? on Sun, 23 Dec 2007 10:18:10 GMT

super_dad — Sun, 23 Dec 2007 10:18:10 GMT

To a certain extent, this can be trained. And usually the right time to do so is when they are kids. By the time of adulthood, most people will find it difficult, just like learning a piano.

Reply to Nature or nurture? on Sat, 22 Dec 2007 04:27:06 GMT

ChiefKiasu — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 04:27:06 GMT

Like that ah… then I definitely don’t have perfect pitch. or pitch. or even a little bit of pitch. Heck, I can’t even sing the sofage of the songs that the kids in the classes seem to be able to do effortlessly.

Reply to Nature or nurture? on Sat, 22 Dec 2007 03:45:06 GMT

super_dad — Sat, 22 Dec 2007 03:45:06 GMT

Perfect pitch is the ability to tell the exact note of a tone. In layman's term, given a note, the person would be able to point at the exact key on a piano.

But as we know, all tones in the world does not fall perfectly on the keyboard. Even between keyboards, the pitch could be slightly out. Humans have a tendency to like certain ptiches...and that's how the scales were formed long ago. Maybe due to the resonant frequency of all our body parts put together

It is the equivalent of someone being able to tell you the exact RGB of a color.

I don't think it is necessary to have perfect pitch to be a musician...it is like if someone is good at colors and making him an artist. Not true.

Reply to Nature or nurture? on Sun, 11 Nov 2007 06:44:35 GMT

ChiefKiasu — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 06:44:35 GMT

Sorry… you lost me. What is PERFECT PITCH har? Something to do with hearing or singing? Or just being able to tell a perfect middle C from an imperfect one?

Reply to Nature or nurture? on Sun, 11 Nov 2007 03:50:00 GMT

phantom — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 03:50:00 GMT

super_dad:
Incidentally, perfect pitch is not a good thing to have...most perfect pitch folks live a tortured lives, in an imperfect pitch world :). They can literally be killed by sounds. :lol:

But the ability to \"see\" notes, is a useful one if one wants to pursue a career in music. However, most good musicians don't have perfect pitch either.

I came across lots of music training centres on the Internet that talk about training for perfect pitch. So is that a necessity for been a musician?

Been a musician in Singapore is hard to make a living, I would probably see it as a means to train children brain to make them more creative.

Reply to Nature or nurture? on Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:16:29 GMT

super_dad — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:16:29 GMT

Incidentally, perfect pitch is not a good thing to have...most perfect pitch folks live a tortured lives, in an imperfect pitch world :). They can literally be killed by sounds. :lol:

But the ability to \"see\" notes, is a useful one if one wants to pursue a career in music. However, most good musicians don't have perfect pitch either.

Reply to Nature or nurture? on Sat, 10 Nov 2007 15:42:33 GMT

wet — Sat, 10 Nov 2007 15:42:33 GMT

Hey… that I believe. I sent my son to Yamaha since 4 years old and had to sit in the lessons for 2 years. It was amazing to hear literally ALL the kids being able to listen and recite the tones after hearing the notes just ONCE. Even as a adult with 6 years experience in school bands, I had a hard time catching up myself!

While talent may be in-born, I think the most critical factor is what can trigger the child’s interest in a specific subject. Even if he or she has the talent to do something, it count for nothing if there is zero interest in doing it. And the more parents force them to do it, the more they resist and hate it.

So sometimes, we parents have to be skilled negotiators and be observant to understand what drives our little ones and exploit these motivators to help our kids grow interest in what we can see are their talents.

Reply to Nature or nurture? on Sat, 10 Nov 2007 09:25:46 GMT

phantom — Sat, 10 Nov 2007 09:25:46 GMT

I have heard that a child under age 6 can be easily trained to acquire perfect pitch. The ability to identify the tone that you have just heard. I suppose you will need to send the kid to music training at the young age to unleash their music potential early in life.

I believe every kid have this in born talent. Any comments?