MOE appoints 59 principals

Reply to MOE appoints 59 principals on Sat, 27 Oct 2012 02:39:56 GMT

alng — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 02:39:56 GMT

matrix0405:

Hopefully they are not rotating the better principals from neighbourhood sch to top schools instead. So far have not heard RI or ACS or MGS going to Bedok or Woodland Sec/pri sch. Anyone aware of such a rotation?

This is why I have been asking my MOE friends where is RGS Principal, Julie Hoo, posting to. She will be back to MOE HQ. But the school principals who are back to HQ usually stay there for 2 years before posting out again.

I am not trying to speculate but there is going to be a new JC and the concerned parents want to know who will the principal of that new JC be.

Reply to MOE appoints 59 principals on Sat, 27 Oct 2012 02:29:42 GMT

lambchop1976 — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 02:29:42 GMT

For indpt schools they r given the rights to employ their own staff incl Principals… of course some staff are seconded from MOE. So in sch like HCI RI etc usu not in these rotations

Reply to MOE appoints 59 principals on Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:57:01 GMT

janet88 — Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:57:01 GMT

Then the untouchable ones are considered lucky :scratchhead: as long as they don't do something :censored:

Reply to MOE appoints 59 principals on Wed, 24 Oct 2012 03:18:25 GMT

zeemimi — Wed, 24 Oct 2012 03:18:25 GMT

matrix0405:
janet_lee88:
[quote=\"PhoBIA\"]The 1s

When principals from better schools get posted to neighborhood ones, they must go there with right attitude and have EQ. The governing style should not be too harsh. Newly promoted principals need to understand culture of the schools too.

Hopefully they are not rotating the better principals from neighbourhood sch to top schools instead. So far have not heard RI or ACS or MGS going to Bedok or Woodland Sec/pri sch. Anyone aware of such a rotation?[/quote]These are independent schools. They are the \"untouchables\". :siam:

Reply to MOE appoints 59 principals on Tue, 23 Oct 2012 04:23:46 GMT

janet88 — Tue, 23 Oct 2012 04:23:46 GMT

Nebbermind:
may be by choice?

I have no idea...but that will be my concern in 5 years' time...if my daughter makes the 220 COP and goes back to affiliated sec.

Reply to MOE appoints 59 principals on Tue, 23 Oct 2012 04:22:21 GMT

Nebbermind — Tue, 23 Oct 2012 04:22:21 GMT

may be by choice?

Reply to MOE appoints 59 principals on Tue, 23 Oct 2012 04:20:34 GMT

janet88 — Tue, 23 Oct 2012 04:20:34 GMT

Nebbermind:
I'm quite sure they will not touch the govt aided or autonomous schools heads.

I'm not sure if CHIJ TP Sec is govt-aided...but the principal has been rotated to neighbourhood school.

Reply to MOE appoints 59 principals on Tue, 23 Oct 2012 04:09:09 GMT

Nebbermind — Tue, 23 Oct 2012 04:09:09 GMT

I’m quite sure they will not touch the govt aided or autonomous schools heads.

Reply to MOE appoints 59 principals on Tue, 23 Oct 2012 04:05:14 GMT

janet88 — Tue, 23 Oct 2012 04:05:14 GMT

matrix0405:
janet_lee88:
[quote=\"PhoBIA\"]The 1s

When principals from better schools get posted to neighborhood ones, they must go there with right attitude and have EQ. The governing style should not be too harsh. Newly promoted principals need to understand culture of the schools too.

Reply to MOE appoints 59 principals on Tue, 23 Oct 2012 03:58:04 GMT

matrix0405 — Tue, 23 Oct 2012 03:58:04 GMT

janet_lee88:
PhoBIA:
The 1s

When principals from better schools get posted to neighborhood ones, they must go there with right attitude and have EQ. The governing style should not be too harsh. Newly promoted principals need to understand culture of the schools too.

Reply to MOE appoints 59 principals on Sun, 21 Oct 2012 05:14:44 GMT

janet88 — Sun, 21 Oct 2012 05:14:44 GMT

PhoBIA:
The 1st reaction I had was to check if the school my boy is going to was affected or not.

Some changes take many years to be effective.
When the principal change, the boat may rock. As different governing style may affect teachers too.
Hopefully, the 59 principals go in with high EQ and implement changes gently.

When principals from better schools get posted to neighborhood ones, they must go there with right attitude and have EQ. The governing style should not be too harsh. Newly promoted principals need to understand culture of the schools too.

Reply to MOE appoints 59 principals on Sun, 21 Oct 2012 04:49:27 GMT

PhoBIA — Sun, 21 Oct 2012 04:49:27 GMT

The 1st reaction I had was to check if the school my boy is going to was affected or not.

Some changes take many years to be effective.
When the principal change, the boat may rock. As different governing style may affect teachers too.
Hopefully, the 59 principals go in with high EQ and implement changes gently.

Reply to MOE appoints 59 principals on Sun, 21 Oct 2012 01:41:44 GMT

janet88 — Sun, 21 Oct 2012 01:41:44 GMT

It looks like HSK has been landed with a ‘hot’ portfolio…teacher who had affair with student, another one slept with underage pros etc.

To rotate principals too often is detrimental to schools bcos it takes time to implement plans and see results…human factor involved. Principals also need EQ. Neighbourhood and slower students need time to brush up. Plan new worksheets according to students’ abilities…for eg, comprehension OE in primary schools is an area most students are weak in…so it would be helpful if teachers can address that area. That section carries high marks.

Reply to MOE appoints 59 principals on Sat, 20 Oct 2012 19:00:46 GMT

MR06 — Sat, 20 Oct 2012 19:00:46 GMT

janet_lee88:
The new Principals will set the tone when they are posted to another school. For schools which are academically weak, changes must be made...and this could be very painful for the HODs/teachers who are passive.

Rotating the principals from elite schools to neighbourhood ones is indeed a good move...this way, principals do not rest on their laurels in a comfy office in the elite schools.

I agree with what phtthp mentioned. Rotating principals may not be sufficient, HODs have to shape up as well to make the change.
Elite schools remain elite because parents' expectations are there...but for neighbourhood schools, HODs/teachers are lax bcos parents may not dare to voice out.

I couldn't have put it better! I was in a good sec school. The principal was the wife of another principal in a top school. To date, I had not figured out how she became a principal :?

I don't recall her playing an active role in leading the school.
Don't remember her addressing us in assembly, never seen her popping in to speak to us; had not even seen her walking past my classroom. All the lousy teachers I got throughout my life were during her tenure as principal in the school!

I'm not sure if 1 or 2 were existing teachers of the school but definitely a few of those were transferred into the school. Just my bad luck for having her as principal for 3 out of 4 years in that sch.

Reply to MOE appoints 59 principals on Thu, 18 Oct 2012 10:46:11 GMT

janet88 — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 10:46:11 GMT

Sun_2010:
WeiHan:
If you rotate the principals too freqently, our education landscape will become very similar to those in the corporate world where CEOs only have a short few years to show quick results.

I hear that The principals are usually in one school for 6-7 years . I feel that is a very reasonable amount of time to find their footing , have some vision and gather momentum to make decent changes.

Each principal's stint is around this period...that is 1 'generation' of kids starting from P1-6. Are the PSLE results the 'report card' of that principal's stint?

Reply to MOE appoints 59 principals on Thu, 18 Oct 2012 09:18:41 GMT

WeiHan — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 09:18:41 GMT

Sun_2010:
WeiHan:
If you rotate the principals too freqently, our education landscape will become very similar to those in the corporate world where CEOs only have a short few years to show quick results. The measures taken were often short-sighted for quick improvement in statistical numbers and some changes may even be detrimental to the long term benefits.

I hear that The principals are usually in one school for 6-7 years . I feel that is a very reasonable amount of time to find their footing , have some vision and gather momentum to make decent changes.

I think 10 years is good period. Unfortunately, at our time, people want to see instant results and if one don't move after a few years, he/she will be perceived as condemned. This is expected everywhere, if one don't get a real promotion, then at least rotate to different positions. If one can't buy a more expensive car, then at least change to a newer car.

I am not old but maybe I am getting out of sync with the general pace of the world.

Reply to MOE appoints 59 principals on Thu, 18 Oct 2012 09:17:07 GMT

Chenonceau — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 09:17:07 GMT

Sun_2010:
Chenonceau:
[quote=\"Sun_2010\"]

I remember in 2004 when i had registered for DD, the then principal Mr Richard Lim was well known and had proved his worth . And when we came to know that he was moving to ACS i think, I was worried. I happened to meet him and express my concern, he charmingly allayed my fears and talked about the great team the school has in place which does the good work.

When Mr. Ng, the current principal, took over, we wondered how he would impact the school. Needless to say he has done a commendable job.

And even as I worry about Mr. Ng leaving now ( DS still is in the school now), I feel optimstic about the future of HPPS.
This is good to know. My DS' school had a good Principal when he was in P1. The Principal after that stayed 2 years and then went off somewhere and now heads a top school. We liked him. The next Principal stayed 3 years and then left too... This 2nd one was really really really bad. Since early this year we have Principal number 3 in the 6 years my son was there. One can see good things happen in this year alone.

What is HPPS?

HPPS = Henry Park primary school

2-3 years are short stints really, i heard that in about 6 years the principals change. So I was kinda expecting it to happen in Henry Park since last year.

Just wondering how bad ones make it , I would think they serve as Vice Principals before being given charge of a school ? Maybe some posts from MOE can be directly posted as Principals ?[/quote]Dunno... anyway, it's water under the bridge. They do serve as VPs first but no system of promotion is failsafe. That is too much to expect. However, it is not too much to expect systemic redundancy that will still mean minimum standard is ensured even if PEOPLE in the system fail.

Learning portal... more school collaboration will help Principals and Teachers such that even if Teachers are poor or Principals are poor, other system mechanisms can kick in and keep minimum quality up. Again no system is completely failsafe but it's already better than when everything had to depend on Principal and Teachers.

It's water under the bridge. No point dwelling on it. I just wanted to share that Principals do rotate after only 2 to 3 years. The RGS Principal has been there what 3 years only? Is she being rotated out or am I mistaken?

Reply to MOE appoints 59 principals on Thu, 18 Oct 2012 09:13:20 GMT

Sun_2010 — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 09:13:20 GMT

Chenonceau:
Sun_2010:

I remember in 2004 when i had registered for DD, the then principal Mr Richard Lim was well known and had proved his worth . And when we came to know that he was moving to ACS i think, I was worried. I happened to meet him and express my concern, he charmingly allayed my fears and talked about the great team the school has in place which does the good work.

When Mr. Ng, the current principal, took over, we wondered how he would impact the school. Needless to say he has done a commendable job.

And even as I worry about Mr. Ng leaving now ( DS still is in the school now), I feel optimstic about the future of HPPS.
This is good to know. My DS' school had a good Principal when he was in P1. The Principal after that stayed 2 years and then went off somewhere and now heads a top school. We liked him. The next Principal stayed 3 years and then left too... This 2nd one was really really really bad. Since early this year we have Principal number 3 in the 6 years my son was there. One can see good things happen in this year alone.

What is HPPS?

Reply to MOE appoints 59 principals on Thu, 18 Oct 2012 09:05:56 GMT

Chenonceau — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 09:05:56 GMT

Sun_2010:

I remember in 2004 when i had registered for DD, the then principal Mr Richard Lim was well known and had proved his worth . And when we came to know that he was moving to ACS i think, I was worried. I happened to meet him and express my concern, he charmingly allayed my fears and talked about the great team the school has in place which does the good work.

When Mr. Ng, the current principal, took over, we wondered how he would impact the school. Needless to say he has done a commendable job.

And even as I worry about Mr. Ng leaving now ( DS still is in the school now), I feel optimstic about the future of HPPS.

This is good to know. My DS' school had a good Principal when he was in P1. The Principal after that stayed 2 years and then went off somewhere and now heads a top school. We liked him. The next Principal stayed 3 years and then left too... This 2nd one was really really really bad. Since early this year we have Principal number 3 in the 6 years my son was there. One can see good things happen in this year alone.

What is HPPS?

I know Moms who experienced Lee Lip Hong in his years at Maris Stella. Hmmmm... even before the scandal erupted, these Mommies had commented that the school was less well run... and it seems things are better now for their younger sons, with new men at the helm of Maris Stella.

Reply to MOE appoints 59 principals on Thu, 18 Oct 2012 08:57:05 GMT

Sun_2010 — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 08:57:05 GMT

Chenonceau:
PhoBIA:
What's going to happen to Rulang? Both the principal and vice principal are transferred out. Will the new principal be able to continue its legacy.

Henry Park's principal is transferred to white sands, will white sands become super hot too in next year's p1 registration?

Just wondering...... :?
You mean now begins the era of the Star Principal? Where the stars go, parents follow?

I remember in 2004 when i had registered for DD, the then principal Mr Richard Lim was well known and had proved his worth . And when we came to know that he was moving to ACS i think, I was worried. I happened to meet him and express my concern, he charmingly allayed my fears and talked about the great team the school has in place which does the good work.

When Mr. Ng, the current principal, took over, we wondered how he would impact the school. Needless to say he has done a commendable job.

And even as I worry about Mr. Ng leaving now ( DS still is in the school now), I feel optimstic about the future of HPPS.

Reply to MOE appoints 59 principals on Thu, 18 Oct 2012 08:41:02 GMT

Sun_2010 — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 08:41:02 GMT

WeiHan:
If you rotate the principals too freqently, our education landscape will become very similar to those in the corporate world where CEOs only have a short few years to show quick results. The measures taken were often short-sighted for quick improvement in statistical numbers and some changes may even be detrimental to the long term benefits.

I hear that The principals are usually in one school for 6-7 years . I feel that is a very reasonable amount of time to find their footing , have some vision and gather momentum to make decent changes.

Reply to MOE appoints 59 principals on Thu, 18 Oct 2012 07:52:02 GMT

Chenonceau — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 07:52:02 GMT

WeiHan:
If you rotate the principals too freqently, our education landscape will become very similar to those in the corporate world where CEOs only have a short few years to show quick results. The measures taken were often short-sighted for quick improvement in statistical numbers and some changes may even be detrimental to the long term benefits.

:goodpost:

I thought that was what MOE wanted (not sure about currently). Each Principal is CEO... That's why we have the mess we're all in now.

Reply to MOE appoints 59 principals on Thu, 18 Oct 2012 07:47:00 GMT

WeiHan — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 07:47:00 GMT

If you rotate the principals too freqently, our education landscape will become very similar to those in the corporate world where CEOs only have a short few years to show quick results. The measures taken were often short-sighted for quick improvement in statistical numbers and some changes may even be detrimental to the long term benefits.

Reply to MOE appoints 59 principals on Thu, 18 Oct 2012 06:24:50 GMT

RPS Old Gal — Thu, 18 Oct 2012 06:24:50 GMT

PhoBIA:
What's going to happen to Rulang? Both the principal and vice principal are transferred out. Will the new principal be able to continue its legacy.

Henry Park's principal is transferred to white sands, will white sands become super hot too in next year's p1 registration?

Just wondering...... :?

The VP which they mentioned to be trsf out fm Rulang makes me puzzle, cos I've neither seen her b4 nor seeing any hierarchy photo change to include her.... But she's listed as the 3rd VP of Rulang in MOE website. So the 2 main VPs are still around, not much impact i guess......