PSLE leave: For or Against?

Reply to PSLE leave: For or Against? on Fri, 02 Nov 2012 11:08:13 GMT

3Boys — Fri, 02 Nov 2012 11:08:13 GMT

Lets see, I’d like to start a discussion here in this thread about how contrails from jet liners cause global dimming and threaten agriculture…can?

Labels not important right? Not necessary to crytallise philosophies, not necessary to define a point of discussion. Superfluous things, labels are.

Next time I buy a can of Campbell’s soup I won’t know if it’s tomato or potato, since the label really doesn’t matter.

Ok, no impact on others.

OCBC internet server department, under broader IT division, has 4 staff and 1 manager. One staff carry over 15 days leave from last year intending to spend on precious DS this year for PSLE. In June, one other staff resign, down to 3. In July, one staff request to go on study leave in October onwards. PSLE parent screams bloody murder, "I carried over leave, I am ENTITLED". How? What does manager do? Hands tied right?

I think only in a tunnel vision world (like KS parents with PSLE kids) that anyone would argue that this policy has no direct impact on others.

The pros and cons of doing a poll like that in KSP? Pro - it is a target audience, Con - It is a biased sample. I think that’s clear to anyone.

Reply to PSLE leave: For or Against? on Thu, 01 Nov 2012 00:23:21 GMT

Imami — Thu, 01 Nov 2012 00:23:21 GMT

jtoh:
jedamum:

as far as i know, only IP-IB schools have dual track but not IP-Alevels. is it because IP-IB is tougher? :scared:
DHS has an O level class for students who can't cope with IP. I think HCI had it too but not sure if it's still around. Starting next year, schools like SCGS, SNGS, CHS, Cedar etc will all have dual tracks.

Like that ah.... So ip is tougher lor?

Reply to PSLE leave: For or Against? on Thu, 01 Nov 2012 00:00:37 GMT

kwcllf — Thu, 01 Nov 2012 00:00:37 GMT

Chenonceau:
The label will also feed the fears of unmarried young men? :rotflmao:

Unmarried single men all intend to stay unmarried? :shock:

Why would anyone do a poll on PSLE leave that doesn't even add leave days on people with no kids? KSP is the logical place to do a poll eh? :?

:goodpost:

The BIG picture is, only One company implement this policy (as they deems fit as many of its staff are already taking leaves to be with their children during PSLE period). If other companies feel it is not necessary (becos cannot manage, or don't have the ability to manage, or just don't want to give for whatever reason), then don't implement.

No one can be forced to implement.

Reply to PSLE leave: For or Against? on Wed, 31 Oct 2012 23:58:14 GMT

Daddy D — Wed, 31 Oct 2012 23:58:14 GMT

Give u 2 choices... U always want more...

Everyone is free to interpret differently... No model answers here.
Either u agree or disagree... No sitting on the fence (many people like to do that)
Back to we cannot agree to disagree... :faint:

Reply to PSLE leave: For or Against? on Wed, 31 Oct 2012 23:50:48 GMT

Chenonceau — Wed, 31 Oct 2012 23:50:48 GMT

The label will also feed the fears of unmarried young men? :rotflmao:

Unmarried young men all intend to stay young and unmarried? :shock:

Why would anyone do a poll on PSLE leave (that doesn't even add EXTRA leave days) on people with no kids? :?

The substance of what OCBC did seemed nicely thought through since those with no kids can't complain that married people have more leave. If they wanna retain mature staff and attract the family types, the policy will work for them. As for the label... well ... it is only a label. Change that lor... The substance is what is important... the label... well... that's not important.

Reply to PSLE leave: For or Against? on Wed, 31 Oct 2012 23:36:23 GMT

3Boys — Wed, 31 Oct 2012 23:36:23 GMT

kwcllf:
3Boys:
[quote=\"kwcllf\"]
There will always be obstacles in our lives and if OCBC's implementation of PSLE Leave can affect anyone so badly, then they better learn how to overcome them as there will definitely be more challenges (greater) in our lifetime.
The whole principle is wrong.

In the \"Eye of the Beholder\".

So, to each his own. In KSP poll, there is 75% \"For\" and 25% \"Against\".[/quote]Try this is a forum of young unmarried men.

Take a look at the big picture. Society is not ALL about parents with PSLE age children.

Reply to PSLE leave: For or Against? on Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:48:32 GMT

mommylow — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:48:32 GMT

KSP:
Lilac66:
[quote=\"kwcllf\"]
In the first post, it is already mentioned that 15 days of annual leaves can be carried forward as PSLE Leave, not that OCBC is giving additional leaves.

So, people are voting whether in support of the policy by OCBC or not. And also, not that they want additional leaves.
Haha, I won't be surprised that some voters may still think it's additional leave. Even our dear Daddy D , the starter of the thread

Quoted from Daddy D (page 1)
:siam:

Is it?
I still thought it's additional leave...

Chey....

I support the leave by OCBC , but will be more supportive if it's not termed like that. A simple \"Family Leave\" will suit me fine.

Anyway, I've mentioned I don't exactly like cows, so it'll be my last piece of contribution here.

then i really wonder what's the point of voting :? it's the staff own leave after all....

voting for an acceptable name just for the leave.... :rotflmao:[/quote]Haha.....that's why in my earlier post, I mentioned that I did not cast any vote in the poll. I don't see the logic. There's nothing to agree or disagree. The term 'PSLE leave' is ridiculous and it is just a name given when OCBC's staff are using part of their own annual leave for this particular reason. The employees' number of leave days entitled is not affected, so nothing is changed. Name wise pertaining to reason of leave, yes. The PSLE leave is nothing like maternity leave, whereby it is not part of your annual leave but leave granted to female staff on top of their annual leave after they give birth. To me, maternity leave is indeed a bonus which all new mothers will welcome and is something to be applauded.

JT's reaction to OCBC's calling of 'PSLE leave' will feed into 'fears' of parents is warped in my opinion. I never thought of it that way. The word 'fear' is not an appropriate word to use. Is PSLE that fearful? Fear of your children not doing well or failing the exams? Fear of going through the arduous process of preparation for PSLE? Fear of seeing your stumped and hapless children and there's nothing much you can do for them? Come on, these fears are already existent since day one, certainly not after OCBC intorduce the PSLE leave. Yes, stress level and anxieties during exam times will go up especially so for those who are ill-prepared and not in control of what's to come. The PSLE is the first major exam all 12 year olds need to go through. All parents will do their best to help their children do well to the best of their abilities and make their journey and transition into secondary school easier and more bearable by lending emotional support. During such times as the PSLE, some parents and their children feel the need to bond and lend assurance and support as they prepare for the exams. Hence, parents sacrifice their annual leave just for this purpose and it is commendable. Some parents do not see the need to use their leave during exam periods as they probably have worked up a good system or solution whereby the parents can still work in peace and at the same time have full assurance that their children are in good hands and working at their best in preparing for the exams. Either way, as long as the parents and their children are at peace and happy with what thy are doing, then who are we to comment on what is right or wrong?

Anyway, I feel this poll is unnecessary and misleading. Hence, the spate of disagreements here.

Reply to PSLE leave: For or Against? on Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:27:55 GMT

BeContented — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:27:55 GMT

jtoh:
mamago:

Yes, IB (International Baccalaureate) is tougher for our SG children cos our 6 years primary school syllabus is sort of modeled for continuation into GCE O/A Levels in secondary schools...

But, don't worry, BeContented; they will do just fine... IB is a better program to prepare them for their future challenges. :celebrate:
Primary school doesn't really matter. It's how the syllabus is taught in secondary school that matters. Students who enter IB in Year 5 after taking their O levels or who transfer from IP schools in Year 5 are still able to excel in the IB prog. Many have scored >42. 45 even.

Haha. Thanks both. Whatever it is, made our decision, no complain, no turning back, no transfer. Die die also must make DS persevere & complete the programme.
Worse come to worse, switch back to 'O' levels lor. :boogie:

Reply to PSLE leave: For or Against? on Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:15:51 GMT

jtoh — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:15:51 GMT

mamago:

Yes, IB (International Baccalaureate) is tougher for our SG children cos our 6 years primary school syllabus is sort of modeled for continuation into GCE O/A Levels in secondary schools...

But, don't worry, BeContented; they will do just fine... IB is a better program to prepare them for their future challenges. :celebrate:

Primary school doesn't really matter. It's how the syllabus is taught in secondary school that matters. Students who enter IB in Year 5 after taking their O levels or who transfer from IP schools in Year 5 are still able to excel in the IB prog. Many have scored >42. 45 even.

Reply to PSLE leave: For or Against? on Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:11:41 GMT

KoalaMummy — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:11:41 GMT

kwcllf:
mamago:
[quote=\"limlim\"]PSLE leave talk became DSA or IP talk.. whatever it is....

Nebbermind lah... it's still education/PSLE related mah.... :imanangel:

Glory mum not in. If not, will get :offtopic: :offtopic: :spank: :rotflmao:[/quote]scarli tmr when we log in, these OT post would have been 'shifted' to the appropriate 'home'... that's the efficiency of KSP mobs here... :rahrah:

Reply to PSLE leave: For or Against? on Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:08:52 GMT

jtoh — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:08:52 GMT

jedamum:

as far as i know, only IP-IB schools have dual track but not IP-Alevels. is it because IP-IB is tougher? :scared:

DHS has an O level class for students who can't cope with IP. I think HCI had it too but not sure if it's still around. Starting next year, schools like SCGS, SNGS, CHS, Cedar etc will all have dual tracks.

Reply to PSLE leave: For or Against? on Tue, 30 Oct 2012 09:53:44 GMT

kwcllf — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 09:53:44 GMT

mamago:
limlim:
PSLE leave talk became DSA or IP talk.. whatever it is....

Nebbermind lah... it's still education/PSLE related mah.... :imanangel:

Glory mum not in. If not, will get :offtopic: :offtopic: :spank: :rotflmao:

Reply to PSLE leave: For or Against? on Tue, 30 Oct 2012 09:16:16 GMT

mamago — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 09:16:16 GMT

limlim:
PSLE leave talk became DSA or IP talk.. whatever it is....

Nebbermind lah... it's still education/PSLE related mah.... :imanangel:

Reply to PSLE leave: For or Against? on Tue, 30 Oct 2012 08:53:28 GMT

limlim — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 08:53:28 GMT

PSLE leave talk became DSA or IP talk… whatever it is…

Reply to PSLE leave: For or Against? on Tue, 30 Oct 2012 08:42:14 GMT

mamago — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 08:42:14 GMT

BeContented:
jedamum:
[quote=\"kwcllf\"]
Some schools have dual tracks and you can switch either in Sec 1 or 2.
as far as i know, only IP-IB schools have dual track but not IP-Alevels. is it because IP-IB is tougher? :scared:

Dun scare me leh. DS accepted his CO liao........ :scared:[/quote]
Yes, IB (International Baccalaureate) is tougher for our SG children cos our 6 years primary school syllabus is sort of modeled for continuation into GCE O/A Levels in secondary schools...

But, don't worry, BeContented; they will do just fine... IB is a better program to prepare them for their future challenges. :celebrate:

Reply to PSLE leave: For or Against? on Tue, 30 Oct 2012 08:31:20 GMT

mamago — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 08:31:20 GMT

Dnls_mum:
janet_lee88:
Friend wanted to get out...approached principal of school and was informed that once accept DSA, even if PSLE results are very good, the child has to abide by rules...that is, STAY.

When she heard of this DSA thing, she just thought of skipping O levels and secure a place for son in order to reduce stress before taking PSLE.
Apologies if i mix up IP and DSA :oops: :razz: my son done with PSLE and I still don't know anything about these terms. Personally I believe in safe route...to be kiasi.
Actually DSA in, still can trf is sec 2 if have prob. Principal can still stop meh? I thot they only don't allow u to change your mind at the S1 selection ex after PSLE result is out if you DSA in. :?

Actually, if the DC DSAed to an IP school that are doing A levels, DC can still sit for O Level as private candidate if deemed necessary, as the O/A curriculum are relevant. (i.e. RI, HCI)

Unless DC has DSAed to an IB program (International Baccalaureate) high school, which is doing the IB diploma of 6 years (i.e. ACSI); the IB curriculum is different from GCE O/A Level, so taking O level may not be an option; nonetheless DC can still opt for IGCSE at year 2 or 4.

Reply to PSLE leave: For or Against? on Tue, 30 Oct 2012 07:34:07 GMT

BeContented — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 07:34:07 GMT

jedamum:
kwcllf:

Some schools have dual tracks and you can switch either in Sec 1 or 2.
as far as i know, only IP-IB schools have dual track but not IP-Alevels. is it because IP-IB is tougher? :scared:

Dun scare me leh. DS accepted his CO liao........ :scared:

Reply to PSLE leave: For or Against? on Tue, 30 Oct 2012 07:32:12 GMT

BeContented — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 07:32:12 GMT

Dnls_mum:
janet_lee88:
Friend wanted to get out...approached principal of school and was informed that once accept DSA, even if PSLE results are very good, the child has to abide by rules...that is, STAY.

When she heard of this DSA thing, she just thought of skipping O levels and secure a place for son in order to reduce stress before taking PSLE.
Apologies if i mix up IP and DSA :oops: :razz: my son done with PSLE and I still don't know anything about these terms. Personally I believe in safe route...to be kiasi.
Actually DSA in, still can trf is sec 2 if have prob. Principal can still stop meh? I thot they only don't allow u to change your mind at the S1 selection ex after PSLE result is out if you DSA in. :?

Attended one of the DSA talk by the school's principal.....this is my understanding.

a) IP DSA --> Transfer to another IP ---> Strictly NO.
You can try and principal can't stop you, but accordingly, the other school is not allowed to accept your transfer once you are a DSA student - irregardless of which year you try.
Possible Exception : DSA in via competitive sports, suffered injury and cannot participate anymore.....

b) IP DSA --> Transfer to 'O' levels --> Yes.

c) IP via PSLE --> Transfer to another IP school --> Yes.

Reply to PSLE leave: For or Against? on Tue, 30 Oct 2012 07:04:29 GMT

limlim — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 07:04:29 GMT

I had the impression that much of the debate is on JT’s comment whether it is valid?

Those were in the first post right?

So…

For => disagree with JT

Against => Agree with JT.

Not like that meh?

Reply to PSLE leave: For or Against? on Tue, 30 Oct 2012 06:51:11 GMT

KSP — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 06:51:11 GMT

Lilac66:
kwcllf:

In the first post, it is already mentioned that 15 days of annual leaves can be carried forward as PSLE Leave, not that OCBC is giving additional leaves.

So, people are voting whether in support of the policy by OCBC or not. And also, not that they want additional leaves.
Haha, I won't be surprised that some voters may still think it's additional leave. Even our dear Daddy D , the starter of the thread

Quoted from Daddy D (page 1)
:siam:

Is it?
I still thought it's additional leave...
Chey....

I support the leave by OCBC , but will be more supportive if it's not termed like that. A simple \"Family Leave\" will suit me fine.

Anyway, I've mentioned I don't exactly like cows, so it'll be my last piece of contribution here.

then i really wonder what's the point of voting :? it's the staff own leave after all....

voting for an acceptable name just for the leave.... :rotflmao:

Reply to PSLE leave: For or Against? on Tue, 30 Oct 2012 06:45:28 GMT

Lilac66 — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 06:45:28 GMT

kwcllf:

In the first post, it is already mentioned that 15 days of annual leaves can be carried forward as PSLE Leave, not that OCBC is giving additional leaves.

So, people are voting whether in support of the policy by OCBC or not. And also, not that they want additional leaves.

Haha, I won't be surprised that some voters may still think it's additional leave. Even our dear Daddy D , the starter of the thread

Quoted from Daddy D (page 1)
:siam:

Is it?
I still thought it's additional leave...
Chey....

I support the leave by OCBC , but will be more supportive if it's not termed like that. A simple \"Family Leave\" will suit me fine.

Anyway, I've mentioned I don't exactly like cows, so it'll be my last piece of contribution here.

Reply to PSLE leave: For or Against? on Tue, 30 Oct 2012 06:30:00 GMT

kwcllf — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 06:30:00 GMT

Lilac66:
I think 3Boys has always maintained that he's not against the leave. The poll is flawed in this argument as it takes into account if people want this leave, and not about the way the leave is coined.

I'm all for the leave , but still feel if it's an internal policy, keep it as such. That's my view. :xedfingers:

Daddy D, don't start your \"agree to disagree or disagree to agree\" poll, I still and confused about that poll.

In the first post, it is already mentioned that 15 days of annual leaves can be carried forward as PSLE Leave, not that OCBC is giving additional leaves.

So, people are voting whether in support of the policy by OCBC or not. And also, not that they want additional leaves.

Reply to PSLE leave: For or Against? on Tue, 30 Oct 2012 06:22:58 GMT

jedamum — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 06:22:58 GMT

kwcllf:

Some schools have dual tracks and you can switch either in Sec 1 or 2.

as far as i know, only IP-IB schools have dual track but not IP-Alevels. is it because IP-IB is tougher? :scared:

Reply to PSLE leave: For or Against? on Tue, 30 Oct 2012 06:16:23 GMT

kwcllf — Tue, 30 Oct 2012 06:16:23 GMT

Lilac66:
janet_lee88:
Friend wanted to get out...approached principal of school and was informed that once accept DSA, even if PSLE results are very good, the child has to abide by rules...that is, STAY.

When she heard of this DSA thing, she just thought of skipping O levels and secure a place for son in order to reduce stress before taking PSLE.
Apologies if i mix up IP and DSA :oops: :razz: my son done with PSLE and I still don't know anything about these terms. Personally I believe in safe route...to be kiasi.

I really think you got DSA and IP mixed up. Once you've accepted a CO (thru DSA)for a particular school, you cannot change your mind to apply for a better school assuming the kid's PSLE results turn out better than expected. Nothing to do with transfer for IP. That's my understanding.

But I've heard of kids who transfer to normal \"O\" Level track when they found they could not cope with the IP program.[/quote
Some schools have dual tracks and you can switch either in Sec 1 or 2.