<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[MOE - We wish, we want.... so we write]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">This thread aims to collate good suggestions and recommendations to improve or revolutionize any aspects pertaining to education. <br /><br /><br />ForumMers can discuss about what had been suggested and hopefully some good ideas can find its way to MOE.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/topic/45513/moe-we-wish-we-want-so-we-write</link><generator>RSS for Node</generator><lastBuildDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2026 11:49:07 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://forum.kiasuparents.com/topic/45513.rss" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 04:54:13 GMT</pubDate><ttl>60</ttl><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to MOE - We wish, we want.... so we write on Sat, 12 Jan 2013 02:02:40 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><b>33mama:</b><blockquote style="border:1px solid black">I would like :-<br /><br />1) Smaller classes - 30 pax would be a good size<br />2) almost full day session mainly morning allocated for academic and afternoon for more nature, understand the world/history, sports activities, excursions, baking/cooking sessions.<br />3) no homework.  everything is done during curriculum time<br />4) shorter holidays - Mar 1 week, June 2weeks, Sep 1 week, Dec 2 weeks - to allow kids more time to internalize what's learned.  the holidays removed to be used for camping activities.  I find camping (overnight/no overnight) allows the kids to learn more relationship building and creating better bonding time.</blockquote></blockquote>1) Class size of 30 up till P6. <br />3) Homework still needed to assess students' understanding. So I never correct kids' work, preferring teachers to know what mistakes are made.<br />4) Holidays remain the same. Some teachers still have to return to school and are only free to take holidays till much later. Most importantly, yours truly here also needs time to recuperate.<p></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/936066</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/936066</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[janet88]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 02:02:40 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to MOE - We wish, we want.... so we write on Fri, 11 Jan 2013 14:14:41 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Why want to shorten holidays for kids?they are just kids…<br /><br />Have you wished for a shorter holiday when you were a student?</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/935861</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/935861</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[jedamum]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 14:14:41 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to MOE - We wish, we want.... so we write on Fri, 11 Jan 2013 14:01:05 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><b>Jennifer:</b><blockquote style="border:1px solid black">Recently I had a concern and so I sent a feedback to MOE via its online feedback form <a href="http://www.moe.edu.sg/about/contact/">http://www.moe.edu.sg/about/contact/</a><br /><br /><br />I got a reply and the matter had been investigated.<br /><br />Trust me, MOE really appreciate us writing to them directly.</blockquote></blockquote>Definitely, if it relates to an incident and/or school specific. By writing in a forum, we can explore possibilities, get feedback from diverse group of people..... It is the opportunity to pick each other's brain that makes a forum unique.<p></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/935847</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/935847</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[MR06]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 14:01:05 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to MOE - We wish, we want.... so we write on Fri, 11 Jan 2013 05:17:24 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><b>33mama:</b><blockquote style="border:1px solid black">I would like :-<br /><br />1) Smaller classes - 30 pax would be a good size<br />2) almost full day session mainly morning allocated for academic and afternoon for more nature, understand the world/history, sports activities, excursions, baking/cooking sessions.<br />3) no homework.  everything is done during curriculum time<br />4) shorter holidays - Mar 1 week, June 2weeks, Sep 1 week, Dec 2 weeks - to allow kids more time to internalize what's learned.  the holidays removed to be used for camping activities.  I find camping (overnight/no overnight) allows the kids to learn more relationship building and creating better bonding time.</blockquote></blockquote>I agree on points 1 &amp; 2. Make the day start a bit later and run longer. Give the teachers more time to widen the childrens' horizons and also make school timing more family friendly. If we followed European type hours (9-4) maybe more parents could work shortened hours and not have to be reliant on after-school care, maids and family members.<br /><br />I don't agree with 3 &amp; 4. Homework is important for the children to learn to work independently and also for the teachers to see what they understand and what they don't (assuming parents don't correct everything of course!)<br /><br />For holidays, I would like to see the year-end holiday shortened slightly but 2 weeks is too short. A month would be about right. If you make it too short imagine the crush for overseas flights. The teachers also need a break as well as time to prepare for the following year.<p></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/935501</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/935501</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[nms1]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 05:17:24 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to MOE - We wish, we want.... so we write on Fri, 11 Jan 2013 05:07:13 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">I would like :-<br /><br />1) Smaller classes - 30 pax would be a good size<br />2) almost full day session mainly morning allocated for academic and afternoon for more nature, understand the world/history, sports activities, excursions, baking/cooking sessions.<br />3) no homework.  everything is done during curriculum time<br />4) shorter holidays - Mar 1 week, June 2weeks, Sep 1 week, Dec 2 weeks - to allow kids more time to internalize what’s learned.  the holidays removed to be used for camping activities.  I find camping (overnight/no overnight) allows the kids to learn more relationship building and creating better bonding time.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/935491</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/935491</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[33mama]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 05:07:13 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to MOE - We wish, we want.... so we write on Fri, 11 Jan 2013 04:51:07 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>Recently I had a concern and so I sent a feedback to MOE via its online feedback form <a href="http://www.moe.edu.sg/about/contact/">http://www.moe.edu.sg/about/contact/</a><br /><br /><br />I got a reply and the matter had been investigated.<br /><br />Trust me, MOE really appreciate us writing to them directly.</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/935479</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/935479</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jennifer]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 04:51:07 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to MOE - We wish, we want.... so we write on Fri, 11 Jan 2013 02:35:23 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">I wish moe will ban unhealthy food and drinks in school canteen.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/935377</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/935377</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Nihauma]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 02:35:23 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to MOE - We wish, we want.... so we write on Fri, 11 Jan 2013 02:12:16 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><b>janet_lee88:</b><blockquote style="border:1px solid black"><blockquote><b>MR06:</b><p>The staggered hours would also alleviate traffic congestion. We may even see more babies in the pipeline..... <img src="https://forum.kiasuparents.com/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f602.png?v=f4f27f6278e" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--joy" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":joy:" alt="😂" /> Btw, why am I the only one writing regularly in this thread? :?</p></blockquote></blockquote><br />sweetie, i agree with you. <br />if schools can start at later hour, it will definitely reduce morning peak jam. for eg, son's school starts at 8 am every tue...he gets to sleep in a little later too. <br /><br />but the prob is if schools end later, kids reach home later and they will have lesser time to get homework done...esp those who take school buses.<p></p></blockquote>Janet jie jie<br /><br />Your boy boy is in Sec 1, naturally there would be more homework. I'm suggesting staggered hours for Primary Schools. The no. of hours in a day is fixed. It's a matter of sleep up early and waking up early or sleeping late and waking up later..... <br /><blockquote><b>nms1:</b><blockquote style="border:1px solid black"><blockquote><b>MR06:</b><p>I had been mulling this for some time and after reading this article, (Girl, 14  sold sex for drinks <a href="http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20130108-393979.html">http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20130108-393979.html</a>), decided to pen my thoughts.<br /><br />As all primary schools will be single-session by 2016,( Transition of Primary Schools to Single Session <a href="http://www.moe.gov.sg/initiatives/single-session/">http://www.moe.gov.sg/initiatives/single-session/</a>) I hope MOE would initiate and co-ordinate the staggering of school hours to cater to the different needs of families in response to a more complex and fast-paced living environment.<br /><br />We could have say schools starting at 7.30am, 8.00am, 8.30am and as late as 9.00am. Eg. if Toa Payoh has 8 schools, There would be 2 schools that starts at each respective time.<br /><br />It would enable parents especially salaried employees with fixed hours to juggle better between family and work. They can choose a school that fits better with their routine creating less stress and enabling them to discharge their parental duties well in their kids formative years. <br /><br />The staggered hours would also alleviate traffic congestion. We may even see more babies in the pipeline..... <img src="https://forum.kiasuparents.com/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f602.png?v=f4f27f6278e" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--joy" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":joy:" alt="😂" /> Btw, why am I the only one writing regularly in this thread? :?</p></blockquote></blockquote>It's a good idea in theory but with the P1 registration system as it is, how many parents really have the choice between very many schools?<p></p></blockquote>The P1 registration may be tweaked....... With staggered hours, some parents may put more weight on school hours in their choice of school and it may not necessary be a popular school.<p></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/935353</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/935353</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[MR06]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 02:12:16 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to MOE - We wish, we want.... so we write on Thu, 10 Jan 2013 01:30:07 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><b>MR06:</b><blockquote style="border:1px solid black">The staggered hours would also alleviate traffic congestion. We may even see more babies in the pipeline..... <img src="https://forum.kiasuparents.com/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f602.png?v=f4f27f6278e" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--joy" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":joy:" alt="😂" /> Btw, why am I the only one writing regularly in this thread? :?</blockquote></blockquote><br />sweetie, i agree with you. <br />if schools can start at later hour, it will definitely reduce morning peak jam. for eg, son's school starts at 8 am every tue...he gets to sleep in a little later too. <br /><br />but the prob is if schools end later, kids reach home later and they will have lesser time to get homework done...esp those who take school buses.<p></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/934423</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/934423</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[janet88]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 01:30:07 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to MOE - We wish, we want.... so we write on Thu, 10 Jan 2013 01:10:57 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><b>MR06:</b><blockquote style="border:1px solid black">I had been mulling this for some time and after reading this article, (Girl, 14  sold sex for drinks <a href="http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20130108-393979.html">http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20130108-393979.html</a>), decided to pen my thoughts.<br /><br /><br />As all primary schools will be single-session by 2016,( Transition of Primary Schools to Single Session <a href="http://www.moe.gov.sg/initiatives/single-session/">http://www.moe.gov.sg/initiatives/single-session/</a>) I hope MOE would initiate and co-ordinate the staggering of school hours to cater to the different needs of families in response to a more complex and fast-paced living environment.<br /><br />We could have say schools starting at 7.30am, 8.00am, 8.30am and as late as 9.00am. Eg. if Toa Payoh has 8 schools, There would be 2 schools that starts at each respective time.<br /><br />It would enable parents especially salaried employees with fixed hours to juggle better between family and work. They can choose a school that fits better with their routine creating less stress and enabling them to discharge their parental duties well in their kids formative years. <br /><br />The staggered hours would also alleviate traffic congestion. We may even see more babies in the pipeline..... <img src="https://forum.kiasuparents.com/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f602.png?v=f4f27f6278e" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--joy" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":joy:" alt="😂" /> Btw, why am I the only one writing regularly in this thread? :?</blockquote></blockquote>It's a good idea in theory but with the P1 registration system as it is, how many parents really have the choice between very many schools?<p></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/934393</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/934393</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[nms1]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 01:10:57 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to MOE - We wish, we want.... so we write on Thu, 10 Jan 2013 00:58:39 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>I had been mulling this for some time and after reading this article, (Girl, 14  sold sex for drinks <a href="http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20130108-393979.html">http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20130108-393979.html</a>), decided to pen my thoughts.<br /><br /><br />As all primary schools will be single-session by 2016,( Transition of Primary Schools to Single Session <a href="http://www.moe.gov.sg/initiatives/single-session/">http://www.moe.gov.sg/initiatives/single-session/</a>) I hope MOE would initiate and co-ordinate the staggering of school hours to cater to the different needs of families in response to a more complex and fast-paced living environment.<br /><br />School Hours and Activities <a href="http://www.moe.gov.sg/media/parliamentary-replies/2011/02/school-hours-and-activities.php">http://www.moe.gov.sg/media/parliamentary-replies/2011/02/school-hours-and-activities.php</a><br /><br />We could have say schools starting at 7.30am, 8.00am, 8.30am and as late as 9.00am. Eg. if Toa Payoh has 8 schools, There would be 2 schools that starts at each respective time.<br /><br />It would enable parents especially salaried employees with fixed hours to juggle better between family and work. They can choose a school that fits better with their routine creating less stress and enabling them to discharge their parental duties well in their kids formative years. <br /><br />The staggered hours would also alleviate traffic congestion. We may even see more babies in the pipeline..... <img src="https://forum.kiasuparents.com/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f602.png?v=f4f27f6278e" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--joy" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":joy:" alt="😂" /> Btw, why am I the only one writing regularly in this thread? :?</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/934376</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/934376</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[MR06]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 00:58:39 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to MOE - We wish, we want.... so we write on Fri, 14 Dec 2012 23:33:17 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>Haiz, have to dig out my post and repost here from an embargoed thread.... A suggestion by me and an exchange with pirated.<br /><br /><br /><br />MR06 wrote:<br />To help even the playing field for children disadvantaged due to their social-economic backgrounds and also the late bloomers, I hope there would be English, Chinese and Maths clubs just for P1 and P2 kids. Joining eligibility - the bottom half of the class.<br /><br />These clubs should be manned by teachers/parent volunteers and open Mon-Fri before/after school. The major draw and emphasis of these club should be fun, otherwise it would turned into another form of remedial lesson. <br /><br />Everything should be done during club session and any incomplete works to be continued on the next session; ie. no homework. There should be flexibility to join the club for any no. of days and there should be no penalties for skipping any session. In other word, it is a fun club and not one the child feels compelled to sit-in. <br /><br />With greater and more frequent exposure to the subject/s they are weak in, at their pace and learned in a relaxed setting, these children will slowly gain mastery of the basic fundamentals be it the art of making a proper sentence, correct pronunciation or intonation or the way to align the numbers for addition and subtraction.<br /><br />With such help, there will be a surge in confidence of these children in handling their weakest subject/s. It would be kind of a hand holding for these kids enabling them to have a good start as they begin their learning journey.<br /><br /><br />pirated wrote:<br />no target no pressure will they learn ? if they could, they could have done it at home, just play what they like, take their time to learn, what is the difference ? just another social play club<br /><br /><br />MR06 wrote:<br />We are talking about P1 and P2 kids. Take a break! There are existing remedial lessons from the school, I am not asking for these to be scrapped.<br /><br />What I have in mind is, if force feeding is not doing the job, try enticing them by presenting the food in a more palatable form and let them eat whatever amount they want at their own time. You would be surprised at the result by providing the right environment, adding more fun, and taking away the stress.<br /><br />Does everyone has the right home environment, the right stimulation and interaction you would get from a school's club? Does the child has enough siblings or neighbours of the same age group to participate in games based activities?<br /><br /><br />With the publising of the PIRLS 2011 and TIMSS 2011 reports, any suggestions? <br /><br />MOE Press Release - International Studies Affirm Singapore Students' Strengths In Reading, Mathematics &amp; Science<br /><br /><a href="http://www.moe.gov.sg/media/press/2012/12/international-studies-affirm-s.php">http://www.moe.gov.sg/media/press/2012/12/international-studies-affirm-s.php</a><br /><br />Read more from <a href="http://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&amp;t=43802&amp;start=30">http://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&amp;t=43802&amp;start=30</a> and pen your thoughts. <img src="https://forum.kiasuparents.com/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f609.png?v=f4f27f6278e" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--wink" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":wink:" alt="😉" /></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/918568</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/918568</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[MR06]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 23:33:17 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to MOE - We wish, we want.... so we write on Thu, 22 Nov 2012 03:01:46 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">It is us, the parents, who turn the streaming into what it shouldn’t be. It should be done in such a way that children are given the best environment to learn. We need to accept that our child may not be in the top class.<br /><br /><br />What the system does lack in many case is flexibility. I believe that in primary school we should have streaming by subject and children should be able to move from one stream to another at multiple times during the 6 years. Yes, this would be harder work for the schools but children come into primary school with different levels of education and they develop at different speeds. One of the reasons why parents are so caught up in what class their child is in, is because there are too few opportunities for them to move later.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/903692</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/903692</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[nms1]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 03:01:46 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to MOE - We wish, we want.... so we write on Thu, 22 Nov 2012 02:59:17 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><b>atutor2001:</b><blockquote style="border:1px solid black"><blockquote><b>MR06:</b><p>...While I understand it may be hurtful for the adults, the emotional effect on the kids is almost zero. <span style="\&quot;color:">For at the tender age of 7, they will not know or care what is a \"good\" class</span>. It can only be good for them to be grouped with kids of the same ability so the teaching pace is just right for them.....<br /><br /><br />....The assessment should be viewed in the right context. It is not carried out to class or condemn a child. It is not streaming, it is a gauge for the school to know where to start and at what pace. If there are more work to be done and more time to be spent to bring them up to the expected level, the school will do the necessary. All the children will be regrouped in P3 according to their learning outcomes.</p></blockquote></blockquote>Do not underestimate the emotion that young kids can have (fundamental mistake of most adults - they are too young to understand or feel it). Most kids don't express this type of negative feeling (being in a lousier class) openly. To them, it is not \"cool\" - it is \"steady\" among his peers if he dares to defy. Some conveniently also use such streaming as an official endorsement/excuse that they are born stupid/slow to justify their poor results so that they can continue playing and be lazy. Only a very small percentage of kids are really born slow and needs coaching at a slower pace. For the rest, it is simply motivation - something that is so easy to say but unfortunately is near impossible to carry out. Usually if a kid has already reached P1 and does not understand when to deliver and when to play, it is difficult to turn back.<p></p></blockquote>As a society, parents, teachers etc need to create an environment where it is ok to learn at your own pace and perhaps slower than your peers. Bear in mind that what is considered 'slow' today is actually the normal pace of development of a child in the past because the standards have been greatly accelerated.<br /><br />It is not easy but I believe there is a greater recognition of this than in previous generations.<br /><br />I have 2 boys of very differing abilities. For my younger boy, I have to consciously remind myself and his school teachers that he should be allowed to learn at his own pace and now 'force' him to keep up with the astonishing feats of excellence his peers in the same class is achieving. Over the year, we see his progress and development (the progress may not be remarkable but is progress nonetheless) and celebrate those achievements.<br /><br />There will less concerns of self esteem issues of being banded in a lower ability class if the school teachers and parents are equally supportive or nurturing towards these students - instead often it is the adults who unintentionally cause the problem by expressing feelings of disappointment that the child is not 'streamed' into top classes etc. Of course, schools need to assure parents that the lower ability classes are given sufficient and appropriate resources to support their child's learning and therefore the child does not lose out by being in a lower ability class.<p></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/903688</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/903688</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Musings]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 02:59:17 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to MOE - We wish, we want.... so we write on Thu, 22 Nov 2012 02:33:29 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><b>MR06:</b><blockquote style="border:1px solid black">...While I understand it may be hurtful for the adults, the emotional effect on the kids is almost zero. <span style="\&quot;color:">For at the tender age of 7, they will not know or care what is a \"good\" class</span>. It can only be good for them to be grouped with kids of the same ability so the teaching pace is just right for them.....<br /><br /><br />....The assessment should be viewed in the right context. It is not carried out to class or condemn a child. It is not streaming, it is a gauge for the school to know where to start and at what pace. If there are more work to be done and more time to be spent to bring them up to the expected level, the school will do the necessary. All the children will be regrouped in P3 according to their learning outcomes.</blockquote></blockquote>Do not underestimate the emotion that young kids can have (fundamental mistake of most adults - they are too young to understand or feel it). Most kids don't express this type of negative feeling (being in a lousier class) openly. To them, it is not \"cool\" - it is \"steady\" among his peers if he dares to defy. Some conveniently also use such streaming as an official endorsement/excuse that they are born stupid/slow to justify their poor results so that they can continue playing and be lazy. Only a very small percentage of kids are really born slow and needs coaching at a slower pace. For the rest, it is simply motivation - something that is so easy to say but unfortunately is near impossible to carry out. Usually if a kid has already reached P1 and does not understand when to deliver and when to play, it is difficult to turn back.<p></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/903651</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/903651</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[atutor2001]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 02:33:29 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to MOE - We wish, we want.... so we write on Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:00:32 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><b>Coolkidsrock2:</b><blockquote style="border:1px solid black">My DS is in p2 currently and just as there are students scoring full marks, there are also students failing (heard the score was sub 30) in the same paper. If the standard within a class can be so uneven (there was no streaming for class allocation), the gap may be wider at a national level.</blockquote></blockquote><br />Some schools used to have assessment for P1 kids and put pupils with similar standard together. I think the hoo-has by parents with kids being placed in the slower-paced classes caused it to be scrapped.<br /><br />While I understand it may be hurtful for the adults, the emotional effect on the kids is almost zero. For at the tender age of 7, they will not know or care what is a \"good\" class. It can only be good for them to be grouped with kids of the same ability so the teaching pace is just right for them.<br /><br />At the end of the day is \"face-saving\" for parents more important than the well-being of their kids? Just imagine if a late bloomer is unlucky to be placed in a class of bright kids. Will the teacher slow down just for this child? Is it so unthinkable for him/her to not cope in such a class?<br /><br />The assessment should be viewed in the right context. It is not carried out to class or condemn a child. It is not streaming, it is a gauge for the school to know where to start and at what pace. If there are more work to be done and more time to be spent to bring them up to the expected level, the school will do the necessary. All the children will be regrouped in P3 according to their learning outcomes.<p></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/903464</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/903464</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[MR06]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:00:32 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to MOE - We wish, we want.... so we write on Mon, 19 Nov 2012 06:11:22 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">My DS is in p2 currently and just as there are students scoring full marks, there are also students failing (heard the score was sub 30) in the same paper. If the standard within a class can be so uneven (there was no streaming for class allocation), the gap may be wider at a national level.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/901538</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/901538</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Coolkidsrock2]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 06:11:22 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to MOE - We wish, we want.... so we write on Mon, 19 Nov 2012 05:57:53 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><b>pirate:</b><blockquote style="border:1px solid black"><blockquote><b>MR06:</b><p><span style="\&quot;color:">Does anybody know of any primary school that is known for setting internal exams that are too easy compared to the PSLE?</span> :scratchhead:<br /><br /><br />I am raising this because I do not want a centralised exam database to result in dumbing down.</p></blockquote></blockquote><p></p></blockquote>I have spoken to some secondary school students at their open house as to how their primary school's exam papers compare to the PSLE and their response is that the school's paper is not challenging, too easy, ..... They also rely on the top schools' exam papers to prepare for PSLE.<p></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/901531</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/901531</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Coolkidsrock2]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 05:57:53 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to MOE - We wish, we want.... so we write on Mon, 19 Nov 2012 04:35:13 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><b>MR06:</b><blockquote style="border:1px solid black">If the exams are standardised and weaker schools taken care of by MOE's headquarter sending in a support team, parents would be assured of an acceptable standard across board. There would not be so much fighting tooth and nail over the popular schools. Those who fail to get in would have the consoling thought another school would still be ok. It is less likely to see someone wanting to \"move heaven and earth\" should his/her child fails to get into that \"dream school\".</blockquote></blockquote><br />True. But I wonder how many primary schools are actually 'below par' (by definition not every school can have PSLE results above the mean), not in the sense of academic results achieved by the students, but in actual teaching etc. In the latest Pri 1 admission exercise, I noticed that quite a number of primary schools that are reputed to be good all rounders did not even have to go for balloting at P2C. I am not talking about schools reputed to be 'weak' here. Just saying...  <img src="https://forum.kiasuparents.com/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f937.png?v=f4f27f6278e" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--shrug" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":shrug:" alt="🤷" /> <br /><br />Does anybody know of any primary school that is known for setting internal exams that are too easy compared to the PSLE? :scratchhead:<br /><br />I am raising this because I do not want a centralised exam database to result in dumbing down.<p></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/901485</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/901485</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[pirate]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 04:35:13 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to MOE - We wish, we want.... so we write on Mon, 19 Nov 2012 04:33:58 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><b>J and J:</b><blockquote style="border:1px solid black">Small class teaching (&lt;30 pupils @ class) across all classes from lower primary to upper primary for all schools. <br /><br /><br /><b><b>MEP and AEP are offered in all schools, not only for those popular schools.</b></b></blockquote></blockquote>Maybe not all schools, but schools with enough pupils who qualifies and expressed interest in them.<p></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/901483</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/901483</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[MR06]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 04:33:58 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to MOE - We wish, we want.... so we write on Mon, 19 Nov 2012 04:28:19 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Hello…<br /><br /><br />We had hit &gt;1000 views, can we have healthy participation from all?<br /><br />Any good suggestions are welcome and if there are posts you like, please "like" them.<br /><br />This is a calling out especially to those silent readers because you make up the majority users.<br /><br />Otherwise, MOE would construe our constructive comments as another source of forum noise.<br /><br />Here is how you "like" a post.<br /><br />Eg. there are 2 posts by 2 different users.<br />One wishing for shorter school holidays (Poster A) and another hoping for longer school holidays (Poster B).<br /><br />If you agree with Poster A, <br />1) go to that post, click "Like!" button on the right next to  the post.<br />2) A blank text screen, (same as the reply post screen) appears. If you have comments write on it and it will appear as a reply with your user name. On the other hand, if you have nothing to add, just scroll down and click "Submit". Your vote will be anonymous.<br />3)You would be prompted with "Are you sure you want to increase the reputation of the selected user?" (actually it means specific to that post only) Click "Yes"<br />4)Revisit the post and you would see "_ people like this post" increase by 1 count due to your vote.  <br /><br />Do so for Poster B if you hold differing view. Don’t "like" any of them if you are happy with status quo.<br /><br />Don’t be a spectator be a participant!</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/901476</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/901476</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[MR06]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 04:28:19 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to MOE - We wish, we want.... so we write on Mon, 19 Nov 2012 03:11:17 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><b>pirate:</b><blockquote style="border:1px solid black"><blockquote><b>MR06:</b><p>At the same time, it removes the incentive for overzealous schools to teach beyond what is required and over-load their students with homework depriving them time in learning other life skills, forging and nurturing friendships and enjoying their school years.</p></blockquote></blockquote><br />Considering that many of the schools that are reputed to be overzealous (some would say notorious for it) continue to be amongst the most popular when it comes to Pri 1 admissions, I really wonder how much support such a suggestion really has among the silent majority of parents.<br /><br />If a primary school is reputed to be a mill for churning out students with top PSLE results but are less than \"balanced\" in other areas, and that school remains amongst the most popular in Pri 1 admissions, then I think parents should take some responsibility for choosing to send their kids to those kind of schools in the first place. After all, parents <i><i>know</i></i> which schools those are. And we <i><i>know</i></i> how they churn out those results.<br /><br />Parents who do not want that kind of pressure on their children have a very simple choice. Just choose not to send their children to those schools. You know which ones they are. And if you make that choice, chances are you don't have to be an alumni. You won't have to join a clan or be a PV. You don't have to worry about moving to within 1km of that school. You won't even have to worry about how the ping pong balls are going to come out of that wire cage because chances are there won't be a bingo session at the end of Phase 2C, especially if your kid is a SC and/or you live within 2km.<p></p></blockquote>That's why I said \"Academic achievement is still the main concern among parents/guardians; sports, arts and other areas that differentiates one school from the others are just secondary considerations.\"<br /><br />For most popular schools, it's not solely \"reputed to be a mill for churning out students with top PSLE results\". Parents felt assured there is a good internal system, a strong parent support group and in most cases a powerful alumni association behind them. The various stakeholders work tirelessly towards making these schools outstanding.<br /><br />If the exams are standardised and weaker schools taken care of by MOE's headquarter sending in a support team, parents would be assured of an acceptable standard across board. There would not be so much fighting tooth and nail over the popular schools. Those who fail to get in would have the consoling thought another school would still be ok. It is less likely to see someone wanting to \"move heaven and earth\" should his/her child fails to get into that \"dream school\".<p></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/901402</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/901402</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[MR06]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 03:11:17 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to MOE - We wish, we want.... so we write on Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:15:59 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><b>Mawar:</b><blockquote style="border:1px solid black"><blockquote><b>JoeeYee:</b><p>I propose all kids be taught table manner. How to use chopsticks, different ways to use forkspoon., when to use what, etc.... Not just theory, but practical lessons too....<br /><br /><br />I wish they learn the correct way to address all their relatives..... Not just uncle and auntie....</p></blockquote></blockquote>That covered in kindy! The salutations and simple table manners.<p></p></blockquote>I'm referring to the more advance version, prepare them for adulthood.<p></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/901198</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/901198</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[JoeeYee]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:15:59 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to MOE - We wish, we want.... so we write on Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:15:38 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><b>Mawar:</b><blockquote style="border:1px solid black"><blockquote><b>JoeeYee:</b><p>I propose all kids be taught table manner. How to use chopsticks, different ways to use forkspoon., when to use what, etc.... Not just theory, but practical lessons too....<br /><br /><br />I wish they learn the correct way to address all their relatives..... Not just uncle and auntie....</p></blockquote></blockquote>That covered in kindy! The salutations and simple table manners.<p></p></blockquote>I'm referring to the more advance version, prepare them for adulthood.<p></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/901197</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/901197</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[JoeeYee]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:15:38 GMT</pubDate></item></channel></rss>