<![CDATA[China - World Cleverest?]]>Interesting article:


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There were also major cultural differences when teenagers were asked about why people succeeded at school.

\"North Americans tell you typically it's all luck. 'I'm born talented in mathematics, or I'm born less talented so I'll study something else.'

\"In Europe, it's all about social heritage: 'My father was a plumber so I'm going to be a plumber'.

\"In China, more than nine out of 10 children tell you: 'It depends on the effort I invest and I can succeed if I study hard.'

\"They take on responsibility. They can overcome obstacles and say 'I'm the owner of my own success', rather than blaming it on the system.\"
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17585201

Pondering over that part about giving 'excuses' to kids with poorer background to perform not on par in their academics.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/topic/46427/china-world-cleverestRSS for NodeMon, 29 Jun 2026 12:09:53 GMTWed, 28 Nov 2012 07:45:08 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to China - World Cleverest? on Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:31:57 GMT]]>This caught my attention:-


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The White House responded to the last Pisa results with President Barack Obama's observation that the nation which \"out-educates us today will out-compete us tomorrow\".

Unquote.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/910763https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/910763Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:31:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to China - World Cleverest? on Wed, 28 Nov 2012 13:51:57 GMT]]>I think the below worth chewing:


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Mr Schleicher says it's a philosophical difference - expecting all pupils to make the grade, rather than a \"sorting mechanism\" to find a chosen few.

He says anyone can create an education system where a few at the top succeed, the real challenge is to push through the entire cohort.

In China, he says this means using the best teachers in the toughest schools.

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]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/910725https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/910725Wed, 28 Nov 2012 13:51:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to China - World Cleverest? on Wed, 28 Nov 2012 11:00:15 GMT]]>We are producing too many one-trick pony…a la Michael Owen…

Can’t repeat the same success anywhere else…n already battle worn by a tender young age.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/910629https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/910629Wed, 28 Nov 2012 11:00:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to China - World Cleverest? on Wed, 28 Nov 2012 10:17:52 GMT]]>

ChiefKiasu:
Nebbermind:

http://www.freshrant.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/grumpy-dwarf.jpg\">


3boys? :rotflmao: wt :censored: ! :rotflmao:

Lol. That'd teach me to answer in one liners.
Of course I'm not calling 3boys Grumpy.

I knowz 😉

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/910610https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/910610Wed, 28 Nov 2012 10:17:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to China - World Cleverest? on Wed, 28 Nov 2012 09:45:54 GMT]]>

Nebbermind:
http://www.freshrant.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/grumpy-dwarf.jpg\">


3boys? :rotflmao: wt :censored: ! :rotflmao:
Lol. That'd teach me to answer in one liners.
Of course I'm not calling 3boys Grumpy.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/910593https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/910593Wed, 28 Nov 2012 09:45:54 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to China - World Cleverest? on Wed, 28 Nov 2012 09:32:29 GMT]]>

hercules:

Most will whine and complain and cry foul, what other better things do they actually know?
That's exactly it. We calculate to 2 decimal palces about T-scores, whether IPs vs GEPpers vs DSAs, is fair/unfair.....

I mean 🤷

All this navel gazing, biting each other.

There are bigger fish out there waiting to eat us all.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/910580https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/910580Wed, 28 Nov 2012 09:32:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to China - World Cleverest? on Wed, 28 Nov 2012 09:28:07 GMT]]>I am pessimistic over the long term labour force here, when most kids don’t seem to have internal strength to stand on own to fight for self but have to rely on external means to compete only in the academic arena.


Our kids will lose out when even many educated parents fail to see the needs to groom their children to compete on a future global basis by putting too much emphasis in chasing after the IPs or what nots.

Most will whine and complain and cry foul, what other better things do they actually know?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/910575https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/910575Wed, 28 Nov 2012 09:28:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to China - World Cleverest? on Wed, 28 Nov 2012 09:28:07 GMT]]>

Nebbermind:
http://www.freshrant.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/grumpy-dwarf.jpg\">


3boys? :rotflmao: wt :censored: ! :rotflmao:
Heh heh! 😂

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/910574https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/910574Wed, 28 Nov 2012 09:28:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to China - World Cleverest? on Wed, 28 Nov 2012 09:20:56 GMT]]>http://www.freshrant.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/grumpy-dwarf.jpg\">


3boys? :rotflmao: wt :censored: ! :rotflmao:

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/910572https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/910572Wed, 28 Nov 2012 09:20:56 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to China - World Cleverest? on Wed, 28 Nov 2012 09:14:37 GMT]]>

3Boys:
ChiefKiasu:

In Singapore, 10 out of 10 children will say... \"Shhh... teacher say cannot tell others how successful I am.\"


You in quite the mood today, eh, Chief?

Yeah. Grumpy. We are not even willing to define success anymore. So how to compete with others?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/910567https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/910567Wed, 28 Nov 2012 09:14:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to China - World Cleverest? on Wed, 28 Nov 2012 09:06:27 GMT]]>

hquek:
ChiefKiasu:

In Singapore, 10 out of 10 children will say... \"Shhh... teacher say cannot tell others how successful I am.\"


[couldn't resist channelling what the NYPS kid said to the reporter]...they will say \"MOE say cannot say\". :evil:

😆 Yeah, MOE says.....

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/910557https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/910557Wed, 28 Nov 2012 09:06:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to China - World Cleverest? on Wed, 28 Nov 2012 09:00:17 GMT]]>

ChiefKiasu:
In Singapore, 10 out of 10 children will say... \"Shhh... teacher say cannot tell others how successful I am.\"

[couldn't resist channelling what the NYPS kid said to the reporter]...they will say \"MOE say cannot say\". :evil:

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/910548https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/910548Wed, 28 Nov 2012 09:00:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to China - World Cleverest? on Wed, 28 Nov 2012 08:33:48 GMT]]>

ChiefKiasu:
In Singapore, 10 out of 10 children will say... \"Shhh... teacher say cannot tell others how successful I am.\"

You in quite the mood today, eh, Chief?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/910519https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/910519Wed, 28 Nov 2012 08:33:48 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to China - World Cleverest? on Wed, 28 Nov 2012 07:53:49 GMT]]>Thanks for sharing the link. Interesting perspective.


\"This concept of 'fairness' is deeply unfair - because by making life easier for children from difficult circumstances, we lower their life chances.\"

hercules:
Interesting article:

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There were also major cultural differences when teenagers were asked about why people succeeded at school.

\"North Americans tell you typically it's all luck. 'I'm born talented in mathematics, or I'm born less talented so I'll study something else.'

\"In Europe, it's all about social heritage: 'My father was a plumber so I'm going to be a plumber'.

\"In China, more than nine out of 10 children tell you: 'It depends on the effort I invest and I can succeed if I study hard.'

\"They take on responsibility. They can overcome obstacles and say 'I'm the owner of my own success', rather than blaming it on the system.\"
Unquote

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17585201

Pondering over that part about giving 'excuses' to kids with poorer background to perform not to par in their academics.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/910480https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/910480Wed, 28 Nov 2012 07:53:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to China - World Cleverest? on Wed, 28 Nov 2012 07:49:56 GMT]]>In Singapore, 10 out of 10 children will say… "Shhh… teacher say cannot tell others how successful I am."

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/910472https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/910472Wed, 28 Nov 2012 07:49:56 GMT