<![CDATA[Should foreign spouses with SC kids be granted PR?]]>So far, I have heard nothing but silence from our gov when the issue of foreign spouses with SC kids being denied PR or even long-term visit plus passes are raised. This despite all the noise generated by the White Paper.


I am not talking about marriages of convenience here. I am talking about the fathers or mothers of Singaporean kids here.

Personally, I think it is outrageous that so many spouses from countries such as Vietnam, Philippines, Cambodia, Indonesia etc are denied PR (I don’t even want to talk about the LTVP+ because I feel it is a disgraceful cop-out) even after they have given birth to children who are Singapore citizens. I do not know what the rationale is. The gov has never, to my knowledge, published any rationale for this.

Apart from the obvious familial link, there is a certain hardiness about these people. I actually think that the majority of such spouses would make (in times to come if they apply for citizenship) good, resilient citizens. I would be more than happy to welcome them as fellow citizens, certainly more so than those ‘better qualified’ applicants who only look to Singapore as stepping stones to somewhere else, not to mention those much vilified cases where one spouse convert to SC while the other spouse remain PR.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/topic/51185/should-foreign-spouses-with-sc-kids-be-granted-prRSS for NodeMon, 11 May 2026 23:44:48 GMTTue, 12 Feb 2013 07:30:54 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Should foreign spouses with SC kids be granted PR? on Tue, 21 May 2013 15:32:29 GMT]]>as promised i did asked ica. the reply was that i can apply via my husband. anyway won’t matter anymore cause i am going back to work soon.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1007670https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1007670Tue, 21 May 2013 15:32:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Should foreign spouses with SC kids be granted PR? on Tue, 26 Feb 2013 04:44:16 GMT]]>http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1256345/1/.html


here is something related regarding spouse PR and citizenship...

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/961918https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/961918Tue, 26 Feb 2013 04:44:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Should foreign spouses with SC kids be granted PR? on Tue, 19 Feb 2013 00:56:15 GMT]]>

chenwj:
If singles PRC Beer aunties or Peidu mama can get PR but not those with family here, then they really have to revamp the whole immigration system.


Do they verify the applicant's educational background with applicant's home country? Last time there were those fake degree peddlers. I'm not sure whether ICA or MOM was conned by these fake degree, which resulted in granting of SC or PR..
I fully agree that spouse of citizen should be given preferential treatment or priority over those w/o family bonds.

They do check, but random. And I believe majority of cases is never check. I am sure in my previous company >50% of the PRC workers use fake cert. Those that subsequently applied for PR, easily can count a handful all use fake cert to apply but never get caught.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/958541https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/958541Tue, 19 Feb 2013 00:56:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Should foreign spouses with SC kids be granted PR? on Tue, 19 Feb 2013 00:27:33 GMT]]>

phtthp:
chenwj:

If singles PRC Beer aunties or Peidu mama can get PR but not those with family here, then they really have to revamp the whole immigration system.


Do they verify the applicant's educational background with applicant's home country? Last time there were those fake degree peddlers. I'm not sure whether ICA or MOM was conned by these fake degree, which resulted in granting of SC or PR..

frankly, i find it ridiculous that PRC Beer aunties or Peidu mama can ge PR so easily here. Like that - any tom, dick or harry PRC can just fly in to SG, be a beer lady or Peidu mama, and then ... get their PR. Something wrong !

The PRC lady that cleans our office toilet has a PR. And I'm not joking!!! Dun ask me how she got it! That's why a couple of years ago, before the GE2011 and before the gov tighten the immigration criteria, I overhead her telling her fellow PRC cleaners that SG PR is so easy to get, it's very cheap and common, like a piece of toilet paper!! :yikes: I was in the toilet cubicle and I walked out and shot daggers at them :stompfeet:

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/958526https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/958526Tue, 19 Feb 2013 00:27:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Should foreign spouses with SC kids be granted PR? on Mon, 18 Feb 2013 23:54:16 GMT]]>

chenwj:
If singles PRC Beer aunties or Peidu mama can get PR but not those with family here, then they really have to revamp the whole immigration system.


Do they verify the applicant's educational background with applicant's home country? Last time there were those fake degree peddlers. I'm not sure whether ICA or MOM was conned by these fake degree, which resulted in granting of SC or PR..
frankly, i find it ridiculous that PRC Beer aunties or Peidu mama can ge PR so easily here. Like that - any tom, dick or harry PRC can just fly in to SG, be a beer lady or Peidu mama, and then ... get their PR. Something wrong !

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/958516https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/958516Mon, 18 Feb 2013 23:54:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Should foreign spouses with SC kids be granted PR? on Mon, 18 Feb 2013 16:27:04 GMT]]>If singles PRC Beer aunties or Peidu mama can get PR but not those with family here, then they really have to revamp the whole immigration system.


Do they verify the applicant’s educational background with applicant’s home country? Last time there were those fake degree peddlers. I’m not sure whether ICA or MOM was conned by these fake degree, which resulted in granting of SC or PR…

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/958469https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/958469Mon, 18 Feb 2013 16:27:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Should foreign spouses with SC kids be granted PR? on Sat, 16 Feb 2013 10:36:06 GMT]]>

Nihauma:
Harlequin:



Not being renewed does not equate to PR being revoke, it only mean that if you leave SG, you can't re-enter SG. Since PR supposed to be \"permanent\" thus only the re-enter part that the ICA is exercising it's control. One still can write in to apply for per entry permit if circumstances arrises that required to travel aboard and re-enter to SG.

what do u mean that PR is permanent? does it mean that aftef the expiry of rep i am still a pr and can stay legally in singapore. as long as i dont leave the country?

Seems that she is right. If you read the Entry Permit, it states that the holder may enter and reside in Singapore. There is no expiry date, unless the holder breaks the law or anything to that effect.

However, if you would to leave Singapore, you would need a Re-Entry Permit to return to SG. In other words, need to renew the Re-Entry Permit(PR).

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/957363https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/957363Sat, 16 Feb 2013 10:36:06 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Should foreign spouses with SC kids be granted PR? on Fri, 15 Feb 2013 09:18:48 GMT]]>

Harlequin:
pirate:

But why should someone who is already a PR before marrying a SC and giving birth be in a worse off position than someone who is not a PR before marrying a SC? That makes no sense.


I suggest shooting off an inquiry to ICA now rather than waiting until the Re-entry Permit is due for renewal. It can't hurt to ask, so why wait till the last minute? You may save yourself a whole load of anxiety. For all you know, it may be as simple as just filling in your spouse's NRIC no. at the eREP portal when you apply to renew your Re-entry Permit. You may even already be tagged as 'spouse of SC' the last time you applied to renew your Re-Entry Permit. Since your first child is already in pri school, you must have re-newed your Re-Entry Permit at least once after marriage.

Employment PR has to stay employed.

Permanent residency is granted for a certain contribution to the nation, in her case, was her employment. Her marriage to SC does not play a important part here, but her children, her income tax and her CPF.

Those who applying PR through marriage with SC are subject to another different set of criterial, eg. spouse income/CPF. They also have to go through a period of residency with temp visa, long term visa, dependent visa etc; before they are granted PR (like the one wrote to ST Forum)

In Nihauma's case, if she stopped working for 2 years in SG, her PR would not be renewed; but with her children she is being given a 1yr/2yr term PR; so it's not worse off.

Not being renewed does not equate to PR being revoke, it only mean that if you leave SG, you can't re-enter SG. Since PR supposed to be \"permanent\" thus only the re-enter part that the ICA is exercising it's control. One still can write in to apply for per entry permit if circumstances arrises that required to travel aboard and re-enter to SG.

what do u mean that PR is permanent? does it mean that aftef the expiry of rep i am still a pr and can stay legally in singapore. as long as i dont leave the country?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956849https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956849Fri, 15 Feb 2013 09:18:48 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Should foreign spouses with SC kids be granted PR? on Fri, 15 Feb 2013 06:53:10 GMT]]>It would be interesting to see what sort of red tape, if any, our ICA has. 😉

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956750https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956750Fri, 15 Feb 2013 06:53:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Should foreign spouses with SC kids be granted PR? on Fri, 15 Feb 2013 06:34:47 GMT]]>

pirate:
But why should someone who is already a PR before marrying a SC and giving birth be in a worse off position than someone who is not a PR before marrying a SC? That makes no sense.


I suggest shooting off an inquiry to ICA now rather than waiting until the Re-entry Permit is due for renewal. It can't hurt to ask, so why wait till the last minute? You may save yourself a whole load of anxiety. For all you know, it may be as simple as just filling in your spouse's NRIC no. at the eREP portal when you apply to renew your Re-entry Permit. You may even already be tagged as 'spouse of SC' the last time you applied to renew your Re-Entry Permit. Since your first child is already in pri school, you must have re-newed your Re-Entry Permit at least once after marriage.
Employment PR has to stay employed.

Permanent residency is granted for a certain contribution to the nation, in her case, was her employment. Her marriage to SC does not play a important part here, but her children, her income tax and her CPF.

Those who applying PR through marriage with SC are subject to another different set of criterial, eg. spouse income/CPF. They also have to go through a period of residency with temp visa, long term visa, dependent visa etc; before they are granted PR (like the one wrote to ST Forum)

In Nihauma's case, if she stopped working for 2 years in SG, her PR would not be renewed; but with her children she is being given a 1yr/2yr term PR; so it's not worse off.

Not being renewed does not equate to PR being revoke, it only mean that if you leave SG, you can't re-enter SG. Since PR supposed to be \"permanent\" thus only the re-enter part that the ICA is exercising it's control. One still can write in to apply for per entry permit if circumstances arrises that required to travel aboard and re-enter to SG.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956732https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956732Fri, 15 Feb 2013 06:34:47 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Should foreign spouses with SC kids be granted PR? on Fri, 15 Feb 2013 05:54:01 GMT]]>

pirate:
But why should someone who is already a PR before marrying a SC and giving birth be in a worse off position than someone who is not a PR before marrying a SC? That makes no sense.


I suggest shooting off an inquiry to ICA now rather than waiting until the Re-entry Permit is due for renewal. It can't hurt to ask, so why wait till the last minute? You may save yourself a whole load of anxiety. For all you know, it may be as simple as just filling in your spouse's NRIC no. at the eREP portal when you apply to renew your Re-entry Permit. You may even already be tagged as 'spouse of SC' the last time you applied to renew your Re-Entry Permit. Since your first child is already in pri school, you must have re-newed your Re-Entry Permit at least once after marriage.
ok i will ask. will keep u guys updated.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956698https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956698Fri, 15 Feb 2013 05:54:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Should foreign spouses with SC kids be granted PR? on Fri, 15 Feb 2013 04:42:54 GMT]]>But why should someone who is already a PR before marrying a SC and giving birth be in a worse off position than someone who is not a PR before marrying a SC? That makes no sense.


I suggest shooting off an inquiry to ICA now rather than waiting until the Re-entry Permit is due for renewal. It can’t hurt to ask, so why wait till the last minute? You may save yourself a whole load of anxiety. For all you know, it may be as simple as just filling in your spouse’s NRIC no. at the eREP portal when you apply to renew your Re-entry Permit. You may even already be tagged as ‘spouse of SC’ the last time you applied to renew your Re-Entry Permit. Since your first child is already in pri school, you must have re-newed your Re-Entry Permit at least once after marriage.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956667https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956667Fri, 15 Feb 2013 04:42:54 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Should foreign spouses with SC kids be granted PR? on Fri, 15 Feb 2013 02:22:27 GMT]]>

Harlequin:
Nihauma:

limlim u hv summarised my situation and my fear accurately. u may be right about me being influenced by all these rumours etc...maybe i should stop surfing ksp so much..haha...most likely i will take the go back to work path la...kiasu kiasi ma...


thanks all for listening and offering advice...

btw i told hubby my fear today and he said dont worry la...if they chase u out we all pack and go with u ...


Hi, Nihauma.

Your PR status will remain regardless if you are working or SAHM, at least up to your children are 16yo. The only stressful part is if you are a SAHM, not directly contributing to the economy, you may get the renewal at 1yr or 2yr term. If you are gainfully employed, you would get the 5yr renewal.

If you have any son/s, when he is at 16yo, enlisting to NS. You will start to get your 5yr renewal even you remain a SAHM. If he should choose to change his citizenship to yours before he is enlisted, then you will lose your PR.

If your children are daughters, then you should start looking for employment before their turned 16, just in case; if you have yet to successfully gained SC status till then.

Hope this helps.

hi harlequin thnks for the info. where do u get this info from? i didnt know that children gender also play a part.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956558https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956558Fri, 15 Feb 2013 02:22:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Should foreign spouses with SC kids be granted PR? on Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:47:19 GMT]]>

pirate:
Why you don't just get your hubby to ask the ICAS whether can apply PR as spouse now? Why wait until your current PR is due for renewal? I doubt that it will jeopardize your standing.

No, she can't change that. She would remain in the category of employment PR; thus she is not gaining advantages from her marriage.

However, once her son starts serving NS, she is as good as granted SC.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956407https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956407Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:47:19 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Should foreign spouses with SC kids be granted PR? on Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:37:21 GMT]]>

Nihauma:
limlim u hv summarised my situation and my fear accurately. u may be right about me being influenced by all these rumours etc...maybe i should stop surfing ksp so much..haha...most likely i will take the go back to work path la...kiasu kiasi ma...


thanks all for listening and offering advice...

btw i told hubby my fear today and he said dont worry la...if they chase u out we all pack and go with u ...

Hi, Nihauma.

Your PR status will remain regardless if you are working or SAHM, at least up to your children are 16yo. The only stressful part is if you are a SAHM, not directly contributing to the economy, you may get the renewal at 1yr or 2yr term. If you are gainfully employed, you would get the 5yr renewal.

If you have any son/s, when he is at 16yo, enlisting to NS. You will start to get your 5yr renewal even you remain a SAHM. If he should choose to change his citizenship to yours before he is enlisted, then you will lose your PR.

If your children are daughters, then you should start looking for employment before their turned 16, just in case; if you have yet to successfully gained SC status till then.

Hope this helps.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956402https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956402Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:37:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Should foreign spouses with SC kids be granted PR? on Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:21:34 GMT]]>Why you don’t just get your hubby to ask the ICAS whether can apply PR as spouse now? Why wait until your current PR is due for renewal? I doubt that it will jeopardize your standing.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956399https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956399Thu, 14 Feb 2013 15:21:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Should foreign spouses with SC kids be granted PR? on Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:17:56 GMT]]>limlim u hv summarised my situation and my fear accurately. u may be right about me being influenced by all these rumours etc…maybe i should stop surfing ksp so much…haha…most likely i will take the go back to work path la…kiasu kiasi ma…


thanks all for listening and offering advice…

btw i told hubby my fear today and he said dont worry la…if they chase u out we all pack and go with u …

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956351https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956351Thu, 14 Feb 2013 14:17:56 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Should foreign spouses with SC kids be granted PR? on Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:32:56 GMT]]>

limlim:
pirate:

[quote=\"sunflower\"]Am a bit perplex here as to why the uncertainty with regards to the PR renewal. My neighbour, a Malaysian, is a SIngapore PR (SAHM) with a SC husband. She has two teenage daughters, both SCs. She has been a PR for soooo many years already and I haven’t heard that she’s even worried that she can’t renew her PR.


You don't know Malaysians special meh?

Well.. I would agree that m'sian is special..

But it doesn't mean other nationalities are not treated fairly..[/quote]OIC. Didn't know Malaysians are treated differently.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956320https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956320Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:32:56 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Should foreign spouses with SC kids be granted PR? on Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:15:41 GMT]]>

wonderm:
sunflower:

Am a bit perplex here as to why the uncertainty with regards to the PR renewal. My neighbour is a Malaysian PR SAHM with a SC husband. She has two teenage daughters, both SCs. She has been a PR for soooo many years already and I haven’t heard that she’s even worried that she can’t renew her PR.


I am wondering too. There were also talks about separating a foreign parent from her SC child in earlier posts. Is such uncertainty caused by existing or some new immigration policies or just hearsay? I don't know of anyone personally in such situation, so can't comment.

No, lah. They not so crude and obvious lah. They just apply subtle pressure so that the whole family go away. You think unsubsidized delivery costs for a Singaporean on $2,000 salary is a joke meh? Just you try having two babies and pray there are no complications.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956307https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956307Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:15:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Should foreign spouses with SC kids be granted PR? on Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:13:07 GMT]]>

pirate:
sunflower:

Am a bit perplex here as to why the uncertainty with regards to the PR renewal. My neighbour, a Malaysian, is a SIngapore PR (SAHM) with a SC husband. She has two teenage daughters, both SCs. She has been a PR for soooo many years already and I haven’t heard that she’s even worried that she can’t renew her PR.


You don't know Malaysians special meh?

Well.. I would agree that m'sian is special..

But it doesn't mean other nationalities are not treated fairly..

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956305https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956305Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:13:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Should foreign spouses with SC kids be granted PR? on Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:08:22 GMT]]>Too many horror stories in KSP and other forums lah…


Say they cannot get LTVP lah and things like that. Doesn’t makes sense rite…

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956300https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956300Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:08:22 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Should foreign spouses with SC kids be granted PR? on Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:02:46 GMT]]>

sunflower:
Am a bit perplex here as to why the uncertainty with regards to the PR renewal. My neighbour is a Malaysian PR SAHM with a SC husband. She has two teenage daughters, both SCs. She has been a PR for soooo many years already and I haven’t heard that she’s even worried that she can’t renew her PR.

I am wondering too. There were also talks about separating a foreign parent from her SC child in earlier posts. Is such uncertainty caused by existing or some new immigration policies or just hearsay? I don't know of anyone personally in such situation, so can't comment.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956291https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956291Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:02:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Should foreign spouses with SC kids be granted PR? on Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:02:15 GMT]]>

sunflower:
Am a bit perplex here as to why the uncertainty with regards to the PR renewal. My neighbour, a Malaysian, is a SIngapore PR (SAHM) with a SC husband. She has two teenage daughters, both SCs. She has been a PR for soooo many years already and I haven’t heard that she’s even worried that she can’t renew her PR.

You don't know Malaysians special meh?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956290https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956290Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:02:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Should foreign spouses with SC kids be granted PR? on Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:52:24 GMT]]>Am a bit perplex here as to why the uncertainty with regards to the PR renewal. My neighbour, a Malaysian, is a SIngapore PR (SAHM) with a SC husband. She has two teenage daughters, both SCs. She has been a PR for soooo many years already and I haven’t heard that she’s even worried that she can’t renew her PR.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956283https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/956283Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:52:24 GMT