<![CDATA[Suspect my maid has PT job on Sundays]]>On top of my other suspicions (another thread), this is the latest one. No real evidence. Just something I overhead during a conversation with her friend earlier today. She mentioned "half a day,so can earn a little bit of money", "work half a day, then go out", "Bukit Timah so far . . "


I’ve already told her we can’t have a maid who moonlights as it’s against the law. How else can I call her bluff?

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nms1:
I have to disagree with the \"haircut method\" as I think it is addressing a very personal issue. Would you be prepared to cut off your hair for an employer?


I prefer to use situational questions - what would you do if......... Some of them do give stock answers if you make your questions too easy but it does make them think on their feet. It does, however, require a decent level of English!
First, it's not a hair cut method, I don't cut maid's hair and will not bother what hair style she choses to keep.

The question is asked to see the deeper side of her psychology, if you asked only standard questions of her family/work (experience) you would get the standard, pre-rehearsed answers. Everyone can work, the difference is how willing.

So many situational questions were asked before, and all the appropriate answers are already in the files of the agents and maids are made to memorize them to give you the answers you want. All employers ask situational questions, in fact some are overly fixated, asking so into details...relax, ask them something not what they have learnt, but what they are!

Think out of the box, ask them something borderline to an employer's right, but nothing illegal, she can agree with it, she can choose not to agree since it's within her right. I have given elaboration on how I note their instantaneous reaction/response to sum up her personality, there is no right or wrong, it's only suitability I was looking... Am I imposing? I don't think so, I prefer to have someone that has the right mentality/attitude that proven by my small IQ/EQ/body language test.... rather than having maid management issues after she starts working in my house hold. It's unfortunate to see a employer/maid mis-matched, won't you agree?

In another word, I want to get to know them, not just simply taking notes of what they can do for me.


PS. About me cutting my hair for a job, no one has yet to have the chance to ask me for that. 😉

Thanks for chipping in, you have a good day. :celebrate:

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/995182https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/995182Mon, 29 Apr 2013 04:38:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Suspect my maid has PT job on Sundays on Mon, 29 Apr 2013 03:35:43 GMT]]>I have to disagree with the \"haircut method\" as I think it is addressing a very personal issue. Would you be prepared to cut off your hair for an employer?


I prefer to use situational questions - what would you do if......... Some of them do give stock answers if you make your questions too easy but it does make them think on their feet. It does, however, require a decent level of English!

Harlequin:
POA Teacher:

Why look at their feet and toes? :?

If they can't keep the basic cleanliness of their feet, overgrown toe nails, dirt under nails etc, they are likely the type that only keep cleanliness (employer's household) of places where can be seen.

I will also ask a blunt question:- if I ask you to cut off your long hair, ok for you?

I will take note of her instantaneous response and body language, in most cases, they will ask \"when?\", \"how short?\", or hesitate and turn to look at the agent staff for a right answer..... I will take the one that say \"yes\" without any hesitation... my current maid did not even blinked when asked...

But, of course I did not really ask her to cut off her long hair la... Its only to test how much she wanted the job. Lol.

I have friends go to the extent of reading their shortlisted maids' horoscope... to see if can get along 😆


Just to add---

About the hair cut...

Those that answer: \"how short?\" Is the one I would not consider at all, they are the type that like to negotiate, they will obey only if their conditions are met, they are the type that will be nice to you if you are nice to them.
(Eg, I don't mind to cut my hair, provided it's not too short, or not the hairstyle that doesn't suit me etc...)
It's something personal to her - surely she would have right to ask how short? They are not slaves so I believe they do have the right to ask or to negotiate
The one that don't know what to answer but turn to agent for help to answer, I may consider, reason being they are at least ready to take instructions, if agent/employer insist she has to cut, she will... she'll make compromises in her works and will try to meet your expectation.

The one that answer \"when\"... is as good as saying ok I will cut, but she needs to be ready, and be informed.... This is the smartest of all, if you need a smart maid then she is your choice, but be prepare to accept her independent working attitude.

The ones that draw a long pause, and look down or look away... She doesn't want to work for you.

The ones that draw a long pause before turning to look at her agent... she wants to work for you, but she wants to keep her long hair, and she doesn't know how to tell you that. (Likely to be a less vocal person, not blindly obedient but can be open to criticism.)

The one that draw a pause and look straight at you (in your eyes).... you wouldn't want her to work for you 😉 She is thinking you are being unreasonable, and she wants you to know that you are unreasonable... She is likely to stand up for the slightest \"unfairness\" she feels, not the type that can take up the domestic helper's job.It is an unreasonable question so I think she is right to react in that way.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/995145https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/995145Mon, 29 Apr 2013 03:35:43 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Suspect my maid has PT job on Sundays on Sun, 28 Apr 2013 12:40:39 GMT]]>That's really sucks! My previous Filipino maid who just went back did moonlight which I only found out nearing the end of her contract. She was with me for 4 years and she was an experienced maid with 6 years Singapore exp and 2 years Hong Kong exp prior to joining my household.

I was told that she moonlighted as maids recruiter to local agencies but not too sure whether that was the only works that she did or there were more! :scared: :scared:

So now we are to give weekly off days and supposed to watch over what they did during their off days. And if we controlled them, then we are denying them their human rights :roll:

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/994863https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/994863Sun, 28 Apr 2013 12:40:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Suspect my maid has PT job on Sundays on Sun, 28 Apr 2013 09:19:29 GMT]]>Our government is really contradicting. They knew maids will try to do part time during their off days but they simply ignored. Maybe they are controlling people employing maids, bcoz they can’t earn much from there; especially those who can get special rate on their levy but pushing couples to boast the birth rate. They should do a survey before implementing the off days.


Year 2000, my 1st maid’s salary was S$210.00 to S$220.00 upfront S$1.7k and now 2013 is S$460.00 to S$500.00 upfront easily 3 to 4k, some even want almost up to 5k (which include their loans, insurance, bond, exam fees, course fees and agency fees). Look at our salary… with the same company u working now… does yours up so much?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/994803https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/994803Sun, 28 Apr 2013 09:19:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Suspect my maid has PT job on Sundays on Sun, 28 Apr 2013 08:32:26 GMT]]>

Lucianna:
Yes u're liable even thou u're not aware her moonlighting.

If she hurt herself on her p/time job u're liable.

Remember this... anything will to happen to her... u're still responsible coz she is under ur employment.

I wanted to employ a maid but bcoz of these... I'm still considering... Government did not protect us... what's the purposes of spending our hard earn money and inviting troubles?
That's very true! (the part highlighted in red)

In fact, I think all maid employers should be assessed by MOM, not everybody is suitable to be a boss.... especially being a boss of someone whom lives with you.

Those that aren't suitable to be a boss can be ensured that no manpower wastage and no money mis-spent.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/994792https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/994792Sun, 28 Apr 2013 08:32:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Suspect my maid has PT job on Sundays on Sun, 28 Apr 2013 08:26:02 GMT]]>Yes u’re liable even thou u’re not aware her moonlighting.

If she hurt herself on her p/time job u’re liable.

Remember this… anything will to happen to her… u’re still responsible coz she is under ur employment.

I wanted to employ a maid but bcoz of these… I’m still considering… Government did not protect us… what’s the purposes of spending our hard earn money and inviting troubles?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/994791https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/994791Sun, 28 Apr 2013 08:26:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Suspect my maid has PT job on Sundays on Sun, 28 Apr 2013 04:47:54 GMT]]>Will the employers be liable if their fdw is caught moonlighting on their off days? I mean if the employers don’t know, will they still be liable?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/994733https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/994733Sun, 28 Apr 2013 04:47:54 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Suspect my maid has PT job on Sundays on Sat, 27 Apr 2013 15:12:00 GMT]]>

pirate:
chrilam:

officer quoted one case. Maid complaint employer made her wash plates at mil pl. I didn't know its not right until officer said maid is not suppose to do house chore except WP stated address. So I asked officer, 'can I ask her sit outside corridor n eat? Also give her a pile of water to wash her own plate?'


How come you never ask the officer, \"can push the baby's pram downstairs\" or \"can buy vegetables at the market?\"

Woo hoo... very good. They expect maid to be served at other house cos they cannot perform house hold chores other than the registered address. What de :rant:

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/994583https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/994583Sat, 27 Apr 2013 15:12:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Suspect my maid has PT job on Sundays on Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:55:21 GMT]]>

Harlequin:
POA Teacher:

Why look at their feet and toes? :?


If they can't keep the basic cleanliness of their feet, overgrown toe nails, dirt under nails etc, they are likely the type that only keep cleanliness (employer's household) of places where can be seen.

I will also ask a blunt question:- if I ask you to cut off your long hair, ok for you?

I will take note of her instantaneous response and body language, in most cases, they will ask \"when?\", \"how short?\", or hesitate and turn to look at the agent staff for a right answer..... I will take the one that say \"yes\" without any hesitation... my current maid did not even blinked when asked...

But, of course I did not really ask her to cut off her long hair la... Its only to test how much she wanted the job. Lol.

I have friends go to the extent of reading their shortlisted maids' horoscope... to see if can get along 😆


Just to add---

About the hair cut...

Those that answer: \"how short?\" Is the one I would not consider at all, they are the type that like to negotiate, they will obey only if their conditions are met, they are the type that will be nice to you if you are nice to them.
(Eg, I don't mind to cut my hair, provided it's not too short, or not the hairstyle that doesn't suit me etc...)

The one that don't know what to answer but turn to agent for help to answer, I may consider, reason being they are at least ready to take instructions, if agent/employer insist she has to cut, she will... she'll make compromises in her works and will try to meet your expectation.

The one that answer \"when\"... is as good as saying ok I will cut, but she needs to be ready, and be informed.... This is the smartest of all, if you need a smart maid then she is your choice, but be prepare to accept her independent working attitude.

The ones that draw a long pause, and look down or look away... She doesn't want to work for you.

The ones that draw a long pause before turning to look at her agent... she wants to work for you, but she wants to keep her long hair, and she doesn't know how to tell you that. (Likely to be a less vocal person, not blindly obedient but can be open to criticism.)

The one that draw a pause and look straight at you (in your eyes).... you wouldn't want her to work for you 😉 She is thinking you are being unreasonable, and she wants you to know that you are unreasonable... She is likely to stand up for the slightest \"unfairness\" she feels, not the type that can take up the domestic helper's job.

Wow harlequin. I like the way you can interpret their body language n the way they respond. How I wish I had read yr post before I confirm my new maid.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/994573https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/994573Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:55:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Suspect my maid has PT job on Sundays on Sat, 27 Apr 2013 09:52:16 GMT]]>

POA Teacher:
Why look at their feet and toes? :?

If they can't keep the basic cleanliness of their feet, overgrown toe nails, dirt under nails etc, they are likely the type that only keep cleanliness (employer's household) of places where can be seen.

I will also ask a blunt question:- if I ask you to cut off your long hair, ok for you?

I will take note of her instantaneous response and body language, in most cases, they will ask \"when?\", \"how short?\", or hesitate and turn to look at the agent staff for a right answer..... I will take the one that say \"yes\" without any hesitation... my current maid did not even blinked when asked...

But, of course I did not really ask her to cut off her long hair la... Its only to test how much she wanted the job. Lol.

I have friends go to the extent of reading their shortlisted maids' horoscope... to see if can get along 😆


Just to add---

About the hair cut...

Those that answer: \"how short?\" Is the one I would not consider at all, they are the type that like to negotiate, they will obey only if their conditions are met, they are the type that will be nice to you if you are nice to them.
(Eg, I don't mind to cut my hair, provided it's not too short, or not the hairstyle that doesn't suit me etc...)

The one that don't know what to answer but turn to agent for help to answer, I may consider, reason being they are at least ready to take instructions, if agent/employer insist she has to cut, she will... she'll make compromises in her works and will try to meet your expectation.

The one that answer \"when\"... is as good as saying ok I will cut, but she needs to be ready, and be informed.... This is the smartest of all, if you need a smart maid then she is your choice, but be prepare to accept her independent working attitude.

The ones that draw a long pause, and look down or look away... She doesn't want to work for you.

The ones that draw a long pause before turning to look at her agent... she wants to work for you, but she wants to keep her long hair, and she doesn't know how to tell you that. (Likely to be a less vocal person, not blindly obedient but can be open to criticism.)

The one that draw a pause and look straight at you (in your eyes).... you wouldn't want her to work for you 😉 She is thinking you are being unreasonable, and she wants you to know that you are unreasonable... She is likely to stand up for the slightest \"unfairness\" she feels, not the type that can take up the domestic helper's job.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/994448https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/994448Sat, 27 Apr 2013 09:52:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Suspect my maid has PT job on Sundays on Sat, 27 Apr 2013 09:31:57 GMT]]>Why look at their feet and toes? :?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/994440https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/994440Sat, 27 Apr 2013 09:31:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Suspect my maid has PT job on Sundays on Sat, 27 Apr 2013 09:31:08 GMT]]>but i’m not the first time taking maid. my first maid was 13yrs ago. i have never try filipino maids so giving myself a chance to try it out. who knows…

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/994439https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/994439Sat, 27 Apr 2013 09:31:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Suspect my maid has PT job on Sundays on Sat, 27 Apr 2013 09:25:04 GMT]]>Chip in to dish a few advice when selecting maid, if you have the choice...


Choose a middle child that's from a big family with many siblings, they are usually more easy going, hardworking and can withstand stress, more respectful to the elders (authority). I will never go for a overly chirpy and friendly maid, also take a look at their feet and toes, :xedfingers:

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/994438https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/994438Sat, 27 Apr 2013 09:25:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Suspect my maid has PT job on Sundays on Sat, 27 Apr 2013 09:18:44 GMT]]>Nope. only came here 2 mths plus if not wrong. she told me she ran away from home. do not understand why the agent can gave me this kind of maid. moreover nothing much for her to do at home.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/994436https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/994436Sat, 27 Apr 2013 09:18:44 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Suspect my maid has PT job on Sundays on Sat, 27 Apr 2013 03:50:11 GMT]]>

Lucianna:
I treat my previous maid not bad... let her have her nap for afew hours, let her do whatever she want to do. Purposely send my kid to childcare to let her to be more free, bring her out for dinner almost every week. Whole day the house is empty. My kid only at home before 0700am and after 1830hrs. for myself only reach home after 2000hrs.. Buy her nice clothes but ended up she ran away from home. i have to go MOM for coffee. so much freedom... less work but in the end what i got from her???

Did she run away near the end of her contract?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/994335https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/994335Sat, 27 Apr 2013 03:50:11 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Suspect my maid has PT job on Sundays on Fri, 26 Apr 2013 05:17:23 GMT]]>I treat my previous maid not bad… let her have her nap for afew hours, let her do whatever she want to do. Purposely send my kid to childcare to let her to be more free, bring her out for dinner almost every week. Whole day the house is empty. My kid only at home before 0700am and after 1830hrs. for myself only reach home after 2000hrs… Buy her nice clothes but ended up she ran away from home. i have to go MOM for coffee. so much freedom… less work but in the end what i got from her???

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/993862https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/993862Fri, 26 Apr 2013 05:17:23 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Suspect my maid has PT job on Sundays on Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:17:45 GMT]]>

Nebbermind:
ngl2010:

[quote=\"Nebbermind\"]
like I said, these are just laws.
Do you think you maid will really complain if you have been treating your maid reasonably well?

My previous maid stole from me eventhough I treated her well :sad: Really unexpected...

but she gain something out of stealing.....what do they gain from complaining?

Perhaps I didn't phrase it properly. What I meant is that if she's happy working for you, then it's quite unlikely she will complain. As for greed....different matter. If she can steal from you without you noticing, then I guess she's more than happy working for you!!

😉

anyway, if not comfortable, then do what you deem is right.[/quote]What I am trying to say is that eventhough we treat our maids well, it is not a guarantee that they will treat us well. But of course we cannot generalize. I have had maids that are kind.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/993622https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/993622Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:17:45 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Suspect my maid has PT job on Sundays on Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:05:10 GMT]]>

ngl2010:
Nebbermind:


like I said, these are just laws.
Do you think you maid will really complain if you have been treating your maid reasonably well?

My previous maid stole from me eventhough I treated her well :sad: Really unexpected...

but she gain something out of stealing.....what do they gain from complaining?

Perhaps I didn't phrase it properly. What I meant is that if she's happy working for you, then it's quite unlikely she will complain. As for greed....different matter. If she can steal from you without you noticing, then I guess she's more than happy working for you!!

😉

anyway, if not comfortable, then do what you deem is right.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/993615https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/993615Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:05:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Suspect my maid has PT job on Sundays on Thu, 25 Apr 2013 15:53:37 GMT]]>

ngl2010:
Nebbermind:


like I said, these are just laws.
Do you think you maid will really complain if you have been treating your maid reasonably well?

My previous maid stole from me eventhough I treated her well :sad: Really unexpected...

Some have been known to complain about things like this after they are caught stealing as a counter to the employer's police report for theft. So, unfortunately, the answer is \"yes\". If only life was so simple...

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/993610https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/993610Thu, 25 Apr 2013 15:53:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Suspect my maid has PT job on Sundays on Thu, 25 Apr 2013 03:05:40 GMT]]>

Nebbermind:

like I said, these are just laws.
Do you think you maid will really complain if you have been treating your maid reasonably well?
My previous maid stole from me eventhough I treated her well :sad: Really unexpected...

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/993135https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/993135Thu, 25 Apr 2013 03:05:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Suspect my maid has PT job on Sundays on Thu, 25 Apr 2013 01:58:23 GMT]]>

Nebbermind:

like I said, these are just laws.
Do you think you maid will really complain if you have been treating your maid reasonably well?
:goodpost:

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/993080https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/993080Thu, 25 Apr 2013 01:58:23 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Suspect my maid has PT job on Sundays on Thu, 25 Apr 2013 01:57:12 GMT]]>

pirate:

Wait a minute, are parents and parents-in-law considered family?
:rotflmao:
:spank:

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/993079https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/993079Thu, 25 Apr 2013 01:57:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Suspect my maid has PT job on Sundays on Thu, 25 Apr 2013 00:43:22 GMT]]>

POA Teacher:
I remember reading in newspaper some time ago, MOM said it is ok to send maid and child to grandma's place. But maid is there to only look after the employer's kid(s). Not to do housework.

I think he also said it's ok to send maid to look after employer's parent. Again, not including housework for the other household.
So, when family have dinner at mil or mom's house, must divide up the dishes/bowls/cutlery etc into those used by employer, employer's spouse, employer's children and maid. Can only wash those used by these, but not used by parents or parents in law? Then the wok used to cook the food for everybody is considered what? :scratchhead:

Wait a minute, are parents and parents-in-law considered family?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/993023https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/993023Thu, 25 Apr 2013 00:43:22 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Suspect my maid has PT job on Sundays on Wed, 24 Apr 2013 08:28:46 GMT]]>

Nebbermind:
phtthp:

parents normally send maid + child to grandma house.

if after dinner can't ask maid to wash up bowls, cups, plates, then who wash ?

if MOM say maid can't wash bowls, cups after meal at another house other than employer's house -
then if maid eat dinner at grandma house (cooked by ah ma), who is going to wash the maid's bowl ? grandma herself ?
wah ! then isn't the maid being treated like a queen ?

like I said, these are just laws.
Do you think you maid will really complain if you have been treating your maid reasonably well?

IF the laws are such, even when the maid doesn't complain we are STILL against the law and MOM still has a case IF we are \"caught\" :shock:

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/992735https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/992735Wed, 24 Apr 2013 08:28:46 GMT