Jennifer:

justsay:

Jennifer, you are not alone.

Scoring 80+ marks and T score is only 50 ? ...Arrgg. :stupid: Demoralising isn't it ?

My boy just broke the 70 pts hurdle, barely 80 pt. Hiaz

Poonie:

Hi justsay


That's shocking low! For estimate's sake, I plugged in the Std Deviation of 14 and Mean of 68 used by MOE at all school's presentation, I got a T score of 58 for a raw score of 80. That works out to around 232. Of course the SD and Mean change every year.

P6boy-dad:

Sorry to make you depressed. Actually it is quite easy to derive the mean marks and SD for Chinese. Firstly, around 80% of the candidates scored A & A* almost every year. Therefore, the mean score would never be 75% and below. Secondly, Statistics 101 says that most students (34.1%) would fall between the 1st standard deviation on the left and right (layman) of the mean score. Meaning, adding or subtracting the SD to the mean score would cover the entire 1st SD left and right of the mean score. It also means that, only with a mean of 82-83 marks and a SD of 7-8 for Chinese would likely cover the entire right hand side of the mean score as 80% of the students obtain 75 and above. Every one SD in the T-score terms constitute 10 pts (+ on the left and - on the right). The next SD would be another 10 pts (2nd SD). If our child score 75 marks, the T-score for Chinese would be est. -9 (41) although it is an A grade. Those who score a high A grade of 90 would have scored a T-score of 9 (59). The difference is actually quite great. Even if you scored VERY well for your other 3 subjects, it would likely pull down your T-Score. For example, imagine scoring 70 pts (which is top 2.1% of the cohort) for all three subjects but with a score of 41 in Chinese, it would pull your score down to only 251. That is why, those who are very good in Chinese would definitely have an advantage. All the talk about giving language double weightage is not correct. Well, I am very concern for my boy too.

justsay:

Jennifer, you are not alone.

Scoring 80+ marks and T score is only 50 ? ...Arrgg. :stupid: Demoralising isn't it ?

Lynn2:

thanks for sharing.


Just wonder, how is the grade for science, as in A or A star affects the overall T score, is it as much as CHINESE?Thanks

Jennifer:

P6boy-dad:

What i can say about the T-Score for Chinese is that, the mean score is VERY high at least 82 and the SD is about 7-8 marks. It means that your child has to score above 82 before he can obtain a T-score of 50 and above. Any marks below the mean score would result in score below 50 for Chinese. I am sure alot of parents dont realise that, thinking that as long as my child score 75 marks would be sufficient. That was why a student who scored 3A* and 1A (chinese) would get a score of 244. The A for Chinese would have given him a T-score of 41 if he scores only 75 marks.

Pls share how you get the numbers in the above computation. Your post makes me depressed

P6boy-dad:

Jennifer:

[quote=\"P6boy-dad\"]What i can say about the T-Score for Chinese is that, the mean score is VERY high at least 82 and the SD is about 7-8 marks. It means that your child has to score above 82 before he can obtain a T-score of 50 and above. Any marks below the mean score would result in score below 50 for Chinese. I am sure alot of parents dont realise that, thinking that as long as my child score 75 marks would be sufficient. That was why a student who scored 3A* and 1A (chinese) would get a score of 244. The A for Chinese would have given him a T-score of 41 if he scores only 75 marks.

Pls share how you get the numbers in the above computation. Your post makes me depressed

P6boy-dad:

Jennifer:

[quote=\"P6boy-dad\"]What i can say about the T-Score for Chinese is that, the mean score is VERY high at least 82 and the SD is about 7-8 marks. It means that your child has to score above 82 before he can obtain a T-score of 50 and above. Any marks below the mean score would result in score below 50 for Chinese. I am sure alot of parents dont realise that, thinking that as long as my child score 75 marks would be sufficient. That was why a student who scored 3A* and 1A (chinese) would get a score of 244. The A for Chinese would have given him a T-score of 41 if he scores only 75 marks.

Pls share how you get the numbers in the above computation. Your post makes me depressed

Jennifer:

P6boy-dad:

What i can say about the T-Score for Chinese is that, the mean score is VERY high at least 82 and the SD is about 7-8 marks. It means that your child has to score above 82 before he can obtain a T-score of 50 and above. Any marks below the mean score would result in score below 50 for Chinese. I am sure alot of parents dont realise that, thinking that as long as my child score 75 marks would be sufficient. That was why a student who scored 3A* and 1A (chinese) would get a score of 244. The A for Chinese would have given him a T-score of 41 if he scores only 75 marks.

Pls share how you get the numbers in the above computation. Your post makes me depressed

P6boy-dad:

What i can say about the T-Score for Chinese is that, the mean score is VERY high at least 82 and the SD is about 7-8 marks. It means that your child has to score above 82 before he can obtain a T-score of 50 and above. Any marks below the mean score would result in score below 50 for Chinese. I am sure alot of parents dont realise that, thinking that as long as my child score 75 marks would be sufficient. That was why a student who scored 3A* and 1A (chinese) would get a score of 244. The A for Chinese would have given him a T-score of 41 if he scores only 75 marks.

ApronMama:

turquoise:

Thanks, Dharma. Am I correct to assume that generally, if a paper is easy, there will be a low t-score and that is not in the favour of those good in the subject.


Conversely, if the paper is very difficult with the general population performing poorly, then the ones who score very well will have a high T score?

Thanks.

Could someone please help understand how the grade A*, A, B ...etc are determined for a simpler or a hard paper? Thanks!

Augmum:

Jetplane:

Well,

I'm a student here.;D.
The Chinese paper was pretty alright
question 11, i chose 超出.
As for the 14th question, my answer was 照顾.

I was just wondering, what's the ans for that passage, the last question,
which is the one with options like: 守望相助，见义勇为 etc. etc,
b'cos, i've read it again and again, but all options don't seem right to me.

same as my gal, she said none of the choices seem right.
when we went to check the creative dictionary for the EXACT MEANING of all words, the answer shd be \"da gong wu shi\". there are 2 meaning for it
1. being fair and justice 2. think of the welfare of others. (brief meaning)

my gal said, \" in school, teacher only thought us the first meaning, never hear of people using this word for the second meaning.\" indeed tricky........

ApronMama:

caroline3sg:

Apronmama

what beatrice meant is, after learning 弟子规, they find it easier to write 命题 作文 regarding values -- rude is not right.

OIC. I thought they wrote the same story.

caroline3sg:

Apronmama

what beatrice meant is, after learning 弟子规, they find it easier to write 命题 作文 regarding values -- rude is not right.

ApronMama:

beatrice:

the paper was very easy(im a student). the compo was quite manageable but i think a lot students wrote the 命题 or at least in my class maybe its because my school is learning 弟子规. .

You mean after learning 弟子规, I dare not be rude again? Is it sufficient to justify \"date not\" ? I thought the reason must be a 教训 kind of thing .. :?

beatrice:

the paper was very easy(im a student). the compo was quite manageable but i think a lot students wrote the 命题 or at least in my class maybe its because my school is learning 弟子规. .

Jetplane:

Well,


I was just wondering, what's the ans for that passage, the last question,
which is the one with options like: 守望相助，见义勇为 etc. etc,
b'cos, i've read it again and again, but all options don't seem right to me.

karmeleon:

Anyway, now that I ask those people who's children have done it before, they just say...\"we're looking, looking, but somehow still cannot find the hardcopy!\" Hmm.... :lol:


Anyway, don't matter. Apparently the compre is not exactly that difficult.

What is terrible though is that those who've done it before can bulldose thru this question and spend loads of time with the rest of the paper. That's the irritating part.

Jetplane:

Well,

I'm a student here.;D.
The Chinese paper was pretty alright
question 11, i chose 超出.
As for the 14th question, my answer was 照顾.

I was just wondering, what's the ans for that passage, the last question,
which is the one with options like: 守望相助，见义勇为 etc. etc,
b'cos, i've read it again and again, but all options don't seem right to me.

ApronMama:

fish:

> I was told that this year PSLE chinese paper 2 compre abt the apple, this compre some student have done b4. It was in circulation within some tuition centres & some said that oso can found frm internet. How is it possible tat MOE took a compre passage tat have been in circulation

To be sure, what is the link of the website?