Exam Coming. Who is more stressed?

Reply to Exam Coming. Who is more stressed? on Sun, 25 Oct 2015 13:41:16 GMT

janet88 — Sun, 25 Oct 2015 13:41:16 GMT

phtthp:
janet88:
as long as I cover all the topics to be tested, that is a relief.

subsequently I take note of the weaker areas and then revise again before the exams.
How to revise, for Science ?

I have several titles on topical exercises. I pick random topic, first get her to revise and then test her understanding, for example magnets or energy.

Reply to Exam Coming. Who is more stressed? on Sun, 25 Oct 2015 13:37:44 GMT

janet88 — Sun, 25 Oct 2015 13:37:44 GMT

http://news.asiaone.com/news/singapore/ ... ury-skills

For policymakers, while the PSLE may be an efficient way to allocate priority for secondary school selection, a question that rears its head is: Does it stand in the way of more important objectives in education - to move parents' focus away from academic grades to educating the whole child? Also, is it a fair means of assessment for children who suffer exam anxiety? What about late bloomers?
it's not only the children, parents also suffer exam anxiety.

Reply to Exam Coming. Who is more stressed? on Mon, 12 Oct 2015 02:48:16 GMT

phtthp — Mon, 12 Oct 2015 02:48:16 GMT

janet88:
as long as I cover all the topics to be tested, that is a relief.

subsequently I take note of the weaker areas and then revise again before the exams.

How to revise, for Science ?

Reply to Exam Coming. Who is more stressed? on Sun, 04 Oct 2015 04:59:41 GMT

Ikid — Sun, 04 Oct 2015 04:59:41 GMT

Other than MSG and GPA scoring systems, what other scoring systems do our secondary schools use?

RI - GPA
NYGH - MSG
HCI - MSG
NJC - ?
Mainstream schools?
Sota - GPA?
NUSH - ?
SST - ?
Sports School - GPA?
JC - ?
Polytechnics - all poly use GPA?

Reply to Exam Coming. Who is more stressed? on Sun, 04 Oct 2015 04:09:05 GMT

janet88 — Sun, 04 Oct 2015 04:09:05 GMT

as long as I cover all the topics to be tested, that is a relief.

subsequently I take note of the weaker areas and then revise again before the exams.

Reply to Exam Coming. Who is more stressed? on Sun, 04 Oct 2015 02:47:28 GMT

happyheart — Sun, 04 Oct 2015 02:47:28 GMT

For Ds1 in sec 2- I do not need to nag or remind, he is on auto mode these days and arranging with tutor directly if he needs more clarifcation. I am cool with DS1.

For DS2- I still need to check every now and then. I will assign him my homework just to check his understanding on the topics. I feel more stressed when DS2 exam is near as he is the happy go lucky type, not kan cheong at all. I hope he will be like gor gor when he is in secondary school.

Having said that, DS1 did only average for science in CA2 cos he made careless mistakes hence chances of pure science is deceased! He scored distinction for the New South Wales Science. Does it help to put in in any better light for pure science classes? Anyone has any idea?

Reply to Exam Coming. Who is more stressed? on Sun, 04 Oct 2015 02:36:39 GMT

wonderm — Sun, 04 Oct 2015 02:36:39 GMT

Ikid:
MSG matters when it comes to level promotion, no? MSG matters when it comes to class selection in Sec 3 or subjects combinations selections in Sec 3 as the child wants to know which are his/her strong subjects inorder to achieve better MSG, no?

If a child prefers to spend much of his/her time in his/her favourite subjects and neglect the less favorable ones, the MSG will be affected, defending that although MSG is not perfect, but % is pretty good.
If the child decided that perfect MSG is better, then, giving all subjects equal attention, even though % is low, is it reasonable?
Thanks
Hence, should achieving perfect MSG be encouraged or achieving high % be encouraged?

Encourage both at the same time Sorry, that's just me, because I know my kids well.

Seriously speaking, I don't think it is often that one goal is at the expense of the other. If the child is really weaker in certain subjects and not likely to score A1, then as long as he has tried, we should be happy enough even if it is not perfect MSG. I know you may think time is limited and a choice of focus is needed, I think one has to know the child and make a call with the specific situation. There isn't a \"right\" answer. Be reasonable and be realistic should be the guiding principle.

Reply to Exam Coming. Who is more stressed? on Sun, 04 Oct 2015 02:28:56 GMT

wonderm — Sun, 04 Oct 2015 02:28:56 GMT

Ikid:
For Edusave Scholarships for Integrated Programme Schools (ESIP) — Secondary 3, does MOE look at MSG score or total %, if 2 student take same subjects, would the one with perfect MSG or the one with near perfect but higher % score have a higher chance of securing this scholarship?

It doesn't depend on school results. They would be taking a test for ESIP.

Reply to Exam Coming. Who is more stressed? on Sun, 04 Oct 2015 02:13:45 GMT

Ikid — Sun, 04 Oct 2015 02:13:45 GMT

For Edusave Scholarships for Integrated Programme Schools (ESIP) — Secondary 3, does MOE look at MSG score or total %, if 2 student take same subjects, would the one with perfect MSG or the one with near perfect but higher % score have a higher chance of securing this scholarship?

Reply to Exam Coming. Who is more stressed? on Sun, 04 Oct 2015 02:03:29 GMT

Ikid — Sun, 04 Oct 2015 02:03:29 GMT

MSG matters when it comes to level promotion, no? MSG matters when it comes to class selection in Sec 3 or subjects combinations selections in Sec 3 as the child wants to know which are his/her strong subjects inorder to achieve better MSG, no?

If a child prefers to spend much of his/her time in his/her favourite subjects and neglect the less favorable ones, the MSG will be affected, defending that although MSG is not perfect, but % is pretty good.
If the child decided that perfect MSG is better, then, giving all subjects equal attention, even though % is low, is it reasonable?
Thanks
Hence, should achieving perfect MSG be encouraged or achieving high % be encouraged?

Reply to Exam Coming. Who is more stressed? on Sun, 04 Oct 2015 01:44:21 GMT

wonderm — Sun, 04 Oct 2015 01:44:21 GMT

Ikid:
wonderm, thank you for your reply.

However, if it is the same child, say SA1 achieved first set of results
and SA2 achieved 2nd set of results, should I say this child's results improved or no?
If I look at MSG, this child gets perfect score right?
So is working towards achieving more A1s (MSG 1/75%) is better or
working towards achieving higher % is better.
For example 3 subjects A1, 3 subjects B3 (MSG 2/79%)Thanks

I see. I dunno the answer to this question.

I can share my reactions to results but I don't know if it is appropriate for other kids. For subjects like math and sciences, as long as they don't score 100%, I have the same response, \"do corrections and make sure you understand the mistakes\". For humanities subjects, will just remind them to read teacher's comments and try to improve. Whether the actual score is 70%, 75%, 85%, it makes no difference to me. If the grade is much lower, I may ask them to show me the scripts and discuss it in more details with them and advise them how to study better for the next test/exam. Comparisons between 2 sets of results wasn't necessary for me.

Reply to Exam Coming. Who is more stressed? on Sun, 04 Oct 2015 01:13:19 GMT

sharonkhoo — Sun, 04 Oct 2015 01:13:19 GMT

Ikid:
wonderm, thank you for your reply.

However, if it is the same child, say SA1 achieved first set of results
and SA2 achieved 2nd set of results, should I say this child's results improved or no?
If I look at MSG, this child gets perfect score right?
So is working towards achieving more A1s (MSG 1/75%) is better or
working towards achieving higher % is better.
For example 3 subjects A1, 3 subjects B3 (MSG 2/79%)Thanks

I don't think there is 1 answer that fite everyone. For a person who is more of a generalist and wants to stay that way, then getting all scores around a good level is important. For someone who is strong in a limited area and wants to really specialise in that area, then getting the highest scores possible in a limited no. of subjects while the others may be more lack-lustre may be the way to go. Why is there a need to decide which is \"better\"?

Reply to Exam Coming. Who is more stressed? on Sun, 04 Oct 2015 00:47:52 GMT

Ikid — Sun, 04 Oct 2015 00:47:52 GMT

wonderm, thank you for your reply.

However, if it is the same child, say SA1 achieved first set of results
and SA2 achieved 2nd set of results, should I say this child’s results improved or no?
If I look at MSG, this child gets perfect score right?
So is working towards achieving more A1s (MSG 1/75%) is better or
working towards achieving higher % is better.
For example 3 subjects A1, 3 subjects B3 (MSG 2/79%)Thanks

Reply to Exam Coming. Who is more stressed? on Sat, 03 Oct 2015 15:53:52 GMT

wonderm — Sat, 03 Oct 2015 15:53:52 GMT

Ikid:
Some schools use MSG (Mean Subject Grade) and some use GPA (Grade Point Average) system right?

If use MSG, of course, the lower the better, and if GPA, the higher the better, right?
Student A
6 subjects-all A1, so MSG is [(6*1)/6]=1
All 6 subjects score 75% each, total score is 75%
Student B
But if 4 subjects A1 but 2 subjects A2, total MSG = 8/6=1.333
Assume 4 subjects score 80% each and 2 subjects score 74% each, so total score
is 78%
So in this case, whose results is considered better, A or B?

Both are very good results. There is no reason to compare right? Even if you want to compare, there isn't any valid basis for comparison because A and B took different papers and they must be of different difficulty levels and they were marked by different teachers who may have different marking standards. Such comparison creates unnecessary stress and takes away the joy of learning.

Reply to Exam Coming. Who is more stressed? on Sat, 03 Oct 2015 15:25:15 GMT

Ikid — Sat, 03 Oct 2015 15:25:15 GMT

Some schools use MSG (Mean Subject Grade) and some use GPA (Grade Point Average) system right?

If use MSG, of course, the lower the better, and if GPA, the higher the better, right?
Student A
6 subjects-all A1, so MSG is [(6*1)/6]=1
All 6 subjects score 75% each, total score is 75%
Student B
But if 4 subjects A1 but 2 subjects A2, total MSG = 8/6=1.333
Assume 4 subjects score 80% each and 2 subjects score 74% each, so total score
is 78%
So in this case, whose results is considered better, A or B?

Reply to Exam Coming. Who is more stressed? on Sat, 03 Oct 2015 07:02:50 GMT

zbear — Sat, 03 Oct 2015 07:02:50 GMT

Ikid:
Hi, may I ask for IP track, achieved 6 A1s with total score of 75% better or 4A1s & 2A2s with score 80% better?

Which one is considered a better result? 1st one or the 2nd? Thanks

A1, A2 grades sound like O level results rather than IP.

Can u elaborate more?

Reply to Exam Coming. Who is more stressed? on Sat, 03 Oct 2015 06:35:32 GMT

starlight1968sg — Sat, 03 Oct 2015 06:35:32 GMT

Ikid:
Hi, may I ask for IP track, achieved 6 A1s with total score of 75% better or 4A1s & 2A2s with score 80% better?

Which one is considered a better result? 1st one or the 2nd? Thanks

Nothing to do with IP, I think the 2nd with 80% shld be better, right?
80% is higher than 75% :roll:

Reply to Exam Coming. Who is more stressed? on Sat, 03 Oct 2015 06:31:01 GMT

Ikid — Sat, 03 Oct 2015 06:31:01 GMT

Hi, may I ask for IP track, achieved 6 A1s with total score of 75% better or 4A1s & 2A2s with score 80% better?

Which one is considered a better result? 1st one or the 2nd? Thanks

Reply to Exam Coming. Who is more stressed? on Sat, 03 Oct 2015 05:28:22 GMT

nicnac — Sat, 03 Oct 2015 05:28:22 GMT

PlayfulFairy:
How do you feel if your child doesn't do well in exams?

I always feel stressed before exams but DD doesn't. Even when she gets back her results, she will just lament 'Aiyah, I am not good' After that, she gets back to her happy go lucky self and never pushes herself to work harder. I am the one bugging her to work harder all the time. I will feel lousy whenever she doesn't do well. Moreover, she has tuition...

My dd has no motivation to do well too. She is happy with whatever results she gets. Everything is ok for her. Just happy-go-lucky. She tells me that \"results are not everything, learning at least something along the way is more important right\" all the time. She is careless in her work but still doing ok. Like you, I am also forever nagging/bugging her but it doesn't work. It is frustrating for both of us...
I am the one reading up their guidebooks instead :gloomy:

Reply to Exam Coming. Who is more stressed? on Sat, 03 Oct 2015 05:05:01 GMT

sharonkhoo — Sat, 03 Oct 2015 05:05:01 GMT

PlayfulFairy:
How do you feel if your child doesn't do well in exams?

I always feel stressed before exams but DD doesn't. Even when she gets back her results, she will just lament 'Aiyah, I am not good' After that, she gets back to her happy go lucky self and never pushes herself to work harder. I am the one bugging her to work harder all the time. I will feel lousy whenever she doesn't do well. Moreover, she has tuition...

How old is your child? What are you expecting in terms of \"work harder\"? Is the discipline you expect or the mark you wish to see within your child's capability? Maybe she doesn't have the stamina or the desire? Tuition doesn't work magic if the child doesn't have the motivation or the ability. You may need to work on motivation and foundation. But if my child has does her best and still doesn't do well, I have to accept it. And even if I don't think she has tried her best despite all my support, other than telling her off, there's really not much more I can do.

Reply to Exam Coming. Who is more stressed? on Sat, 03 Oct 2015 02:08:06 GMT

TheAnswer — Sat, 03 Oct 2015 02:08:06 GMT

PlayfulFairy:
How do you feel if your child doesn't do well in exams?

I always feel stressed before exams but DD doesn't. Even when she gets back her results, she will just lament 'Aiyah, I am not good' After that, she gets back to her happy go lucky self and never pushes herself to work harder. I am the one bugging her to work harder all the time. I will feel lousy whenever she doesn't do well. Moreover, she has tuition...

Did u do revision together with her or leave everything to the tutor? Do u analyse and correct her mistakes?
Revision is consistent. If u have done all u could, no need to feel lousy. But if all u did is nagging then maybe u need to think of how to move forward.

Reply to Exam Coming. Who is more stressed? on Sat, 03 Oct 2015 01:03:57 GMT

PlayfulFairy — Sat, 03 Oct 2015 01:03:57 GMT

How do you feel if your child doesn’t do well in exams?

I always feel stressed before exams but DD doesn’t. Even when she gets back her results, she will just lament ‘Aiyah, I am not good’ After that, she gets back to her happy go lucky self and never pushes herself to work harder. I am the one bugging her to work harder all the time. I will feel lousy whenever she doesn’t do well. Moreover, she has tuition…

Reply to Exam Coming. Who is more stressed? on Thu, 24 Sep 2015 05:58:01 GMT

sharonkhoo — Thu, 24 Sep 2015 05:58:01 GMT

seaglass:
To me, the phrase \"I want to see effort\" is just too vague to be helpful (esp for kids with learning and understanding issues), and carries some subtly negative messages, ie. 学习是件辛苦的事, and that 学习是做给别人看。So I try to avoid using such phrases altogether.

It's a shorthand for us now as we've explained what we mean by it many times over the years. But I agree that it's too vague to be useful on its own without making clear exactly what you are basing your assessment on.