MOE reviewing policy of allowing teachers to give tuition

Reply to MOE reviewing policy of allowing teachers to give tuition on Tue, 17 Aug 2021 14:55:10 GMT

chenlaoshi — Tue, 17 Aug 2021 14:55:10 GMT

One thing I like about tutoring is I get to accompany and guide the students in their learning journey over the years - which I think is especially beneficial for languages. In school, it’s usually 2 years at most (i.e. follow up with the class from previous year)

What I miss about teaching in school are the (more) opportunities of being involved in the personality development of students.

Reply to MOE reviewing policy of allowing teachers to give tuition on Tue, 17 Aug 2021 13:35:46 GMT

emoh — Tue, 17 Aug 2021 13:35:46 GMT

https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/teaching-singapore-better-moe-teacher-091019820.html

Reply to MOE reviewing policy of allowing teachers to give tuition on Mon, 16 Aug 2021 01:41:10 GMT

Imp75 — Mon, 16 Aug 2021 01:41:10 GMT

Wow tuition is so expensive now? I hope MOE won’t clamp down tuition like what china is doing now as this affects the livelihoods of many full time tutors.

Reply to MOE reviewing policy of allowing teachers to give tuition on Sun, 15 Aug 2021 18:35:34 GMT

ngl2010 — Sun, 15 Aug 2021 18:35:34 GMT

5 years ago my cousin paid her daughter’s Chemistry 1-to-1 tuition $300 per lesson (2 hours) .

Reply to MOE reviewing policy of allowing teachers to give tuition on Sun, 15 Aug 2021 15:36:21 GMT

Han Seo — Sun, 15 Aug 2021 15:36:21 GMT

$120 per hour is for one-to-one tuition at JC level, I believe. My friend, who is a swimming coach, charges $150 for a 45- minute lesson. For tuition, the teacher has to prepare the lesson before hand and mark the student’s work after lesson (especially for humanities subjects at JC level), so the time taken is more than the two hours the teacher charges for each lesson. Swimming lessons, on the other hand, are different. There isn’t anything to prepare pre-lesson, or anything to mark post-lesson.

Reply to MOE reviewing policy of allowing teachers to give tuition on Sun, 15 Aug 2021 15:08:15 GMT

emoh — Sun, 15 Aug 2021 15:08:15 GMT

In Singapore, teachers are now required to seek approval to give tuition outside of school, following a review of guidelines by the Public Service Division

In a sign that the ministry is paying closer attention to the issue, teachers have been barred from giving private tuition without approval. Previously, they could give up to six hours of private tuition a week.

The MOE spokesperson told TODAY that with effect from Jan 1, teachers are required to seek approval for paid part-time lecturing or teaching, which includes paid tuition.

This came about as the guideline on participating in part-time lecturing or teaching, including paid tuition, not exceeding six hours a week has been removed following a review by the Public Service Division.

“The Public Service has existing guidelines on public officers participating in outside activities to ensure that their outside activities do not distract them from their core duties,” she added.

https://www.todayonline.com/big-read/big-read-singapores-endless-love-affair-private-tuition-just-got-deeper-covid-19

Reply to MOE reviewing policy of allowing teachers to give tuition on Fri, 11 Oct 2013 04:41:09 GMT

limlim — Fri, 11 Oct 2013 04:41:09 GMT

jetsetter:
Dora1:
Actually this is a very wierd policy in the 1st place. I thought all public servants are not allowed to moonlight in a related industry for fear of conflict of interest. I am with a stat board now, and plenty of lucrative moonlighting opportunities in the private sector, but we are totally not allowed.

Why are teachers allowed in the 1st place? What will happen if the same student attends the teacher's tuition class?

sorry maybe shouldn't use \"moonlighting\" which sounds illegal. But it's allowed in their contract on condition they declare annually bah? maybe MOE tcrs reading this can clarify?

it is moonlighting..

regardless or whether it is legal or not.

Reply to MOE reviewing policy of allowing teachers to give tuition on Thu, 10 Oct 2013 08:57:32 GMT

tutor_ng — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 08:57:32 GMT

jetsetter:
dimsum:
[quote=\"jetsetter\"]But at the end of the day, will it solve the problem? Will the MOE-tcrs that return 100% to their jobs be able to give 100% attention to all the students, if the admin/CCA etc commitments don't drop? WIll MOE supplement them in terms of allowance if they can conduct extra remedial classes for school students? When you take away this extra 'moonlighting' income opportunity from them, averaging $120 per hr or so, will the tcrs be happier?

:yikes: $120 per hour! I didn't know it's so high! This works out to be $2,880 per month ( 6 hours x 4 weeks x $120) which is very good extra income. Of course the teachers won't be happy if they are not allowed to \"moonlight\" anymore.

I dunno if I heard wrongly from the Ch8 news at 10pm. But the operator quote $100-120, then my DH and I were like \"wow! $600 per week X 4\" Good money sia...

I can't access xinmsn now, maybe someone can watch and update us? Cheers!

http://video.xin.msn.com/watch/video/%E6%95%99%E8%82%B2%E9%83%A8%E6%A3%80%E8%AE%A8%E6%AD%A3%E8%A7%84%E8%80%81%E5%B8%88%E6%95%99%E8%A1%A5%E4%B9%A0-%E6%9D%A1%E4%BE%8B%E8%8B%A5%E6%94%B6%E7%B4%A7-%E9%9C%80%E6%B1%82%E6%96%99%E6%8F%90%E9%AB%98/tn7xvb9r[/quote]Maybe possible for group tuition...each student charged $30 - $40 per hour and you can tutor 3-4 at the same time.

Reply to MOE reviewing policy of allowing teachers to give tuition on Thu, 10 Oct 2013 08:51:30 GMT

rains — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 08:51:30 GMT

jetsetter:
dimsum:
Will this result in more teachers quitting to become FT tutors?

If tuition fees are expected to increase, won't this penalize the less well-off families?

Doubt they will quit, cos they will lose quite a fair bit of benefits. Pte tuition centres can't give them equitable terms, unless we're talking abt bigger players like TLL.

What kind of benefits are we talking about here? Cpf? Do people really prize cpf so much these days?

Reply to MOE reviewing policy of allowing teachers to give tuition on Thu, 10 Oct 2013 08:26:24 GMT

jetsetter — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 08:26:24 GMT

dimsum:
Will this result in more teachers quitting to become FT tutors?

If tuition fees are expected to increase, won't this penalize the less well-off families?

Doubt they will quit, cos they will lose quite a fair bit of benefits. Pte tuition centres can't give them equitable terms, unless we're talking abt bigger players like TLL.

Reply to MOE reviewing policy of allowing teachers to give tuition on Thu, 10 Oct 2013 08:21:48 GMT

jetsetter — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 08:21:48 GMT

Dora1:
Actually this is a very wierd policy in the 1st place. I thought all public servants are not allowed to moonlight in a related industry for fear of conflict of interest. I am with a stat board now, and plenty of lucrative moonlighting opportunities in the private sector, but we are totally not allowed.

Why are teachers allowed in the 1st place? What will happen if the same student attends the teacher's tuition class?

sorry maybe shouldn't use \"moonlighting\" which sounds illegal. But it's allowed in their contract on condition they declare annually bah? maybe MOE tcrs reading this can clarify?

Reply to MOE reviewing policy of allowing teachers to give tuition on Thu, 10 Oct 2013 08:19:25 GMT

jetsetter — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 08:19:25 GMT

dimsum:
jetsetter:
But at the end of the day, will it solve the problem? Will the MOE-tcrs that return 100% to their jobs be able to give 100% attention to all the students, if the admin/CCA etc commitments don't drop? WIll MOE supplement them in terms of allowance if they can conduct extra remedial classes for school students? When you take away this extra 'moonlighting' income opportunity from them, averaging $120 per hr or so, will the tcrs be happier?

:yikes: $120 per hour! I didn't know it's so high! This works out to be $2,880 per month ( 6 hours x 4 weeks x $120) which is very good extra income. Of course the teachers won't be happy if they are not allowed to \"moonlight\" anymore.

Reply to MOE reviewing policy of allowing teachers to give tuition on Thu, 10 Oct 2013 08:00:33 GMT

tutor_ng — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 08:00:33 GMT

Dora1:
Actually this is a very wierd policy in the 1st place. I thought all public servants are not allowed to moonlight in a related industry for fear of conflict of interest. I am with a stat board now, and plenty of lucrative moonlighting opportunities in the private sector, but we are totally not allowed.

Why are teachers allowed in the 1st place? What will happen if the same student attends the teacher's tuition class?

There is another clause saying teachers are not allowed to take in students under his/her charge or something like that...

Reply to MOE reviewing policy of allowing teachers to give tuition on Thu, 10 Oct 2013 07:43:28 GMT

SAHM_TAN — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 07:43:28 GMT

jetsetter:

When you take away this extra 'moonlighting' income opportunity from them, averaging $120 per hr or so, will the tcrs be happier?

The $120 per hr is for which level? 1-1 or group?

For primary level 1-1, the highest I encountered is $60 per hr.

At sec level, the highest I encountered for 1-1 is $100 per hr.

Reply to MOE reviewing policy of allowing teachers to give tuition on Thu, 10 Oct 2013 07:32:11 GMT

limlim — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 07:32:11 GMT

Dora1:
Actually this is a very wierd policy in the 1st place. I thought all public servants are not allowed to moonlight in a related industry for fear of conflict of interest. I am with a stat board now, and plenty of lucrative moonlighting opportunities in the private sector, but we are totally not allowed.

Why are teachers allowed in the 1st place? What will happen if the same student attends the teacher's tuition class?

Totally agree..

Reply to MOE reviewing policy of allowing teachers to give tuition on Thu, 10 Oct 2013 07:30:18 GMT

Dora1 — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 07:30:18 GMT

Actually this is a very wierd policy in the 1st place. I thought all public servants are not allowed to moonlight in a related industry for fear of conflict of interest. I am with a stat board now, and plenty of lucrative moonlighting opportunities in the private sector, but we are totally not allowed.

Why are teachers allowed in the 1st place? What will happen if the same student attends the teacher’s tuition class?

Reply to MOE reviewing policy of allowing teachers to give tuition on Thu, 10 Oct 2013 07:14:17 GMT

dimsum — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 07:14:17 GMT

jetsetter:
But at the end of the day, will it solve the problem? Will the MOE-tcrs that return 100% to their jobs be able to give 100% attention to all the students, if the admin/CCA etc commitments don't drop? WIll MOE supplement them in terms of allowance if they can conduct extra remedial classes for school students? When you take away this extra 'moonlighting' income opportunity from them, averaging $120 per hr or so, will the tcrs be happier?

:yikes: $120 per hour! I didn't know it's so high! This works out to be $2,880 per month ( 6 hours x 4 weeks x $120) which is very good extra income. Of course the teachers won't be happy if they are not allowed to \"moonlight\" anymore.

Reply to MOE reviewing policy of allowing teachers to give tuition on Thu, 10 Oct 2013 05:56:23 GMT

sushi88 — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 05:56:23 GMT

Actually it is not a bad idea to get the teachers to stay focused in their jobs in school, then perhaps we have less issues with the quality in school and tuition can reduce, much to the disappointment of real kiasu parents. (I mean the real ks ones which only they know who they are)

As for MOE qualified teachers available for tuition, I am sure there will still be available ones from the retired or those who quit teaching for good due to other reasons but not because to leave the profession to go private.

Now if this move causes massive resignation, then it is good to know where the source of problem lies and MOE can do something in their selection and training of the teachers. But I doubt it will happen. The statistics recently came out and stated that Singapore teachers are the highest paid compared to many countries so MOE is already paying them well. Sometimes they are drawn into tuition only because the demand keeps beckoning to them.

Reply to MOE reviewing policy of allowing teachers to give tuition on Thu, 10 Oct 2013 05:35:55 GMT

jetsetter — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 05:35:55 GMT

Like I said in another tuition-related thread "97%…", I’m worried that once implemented, MOE teachers will give up some classes or quit altogether from tuition centres to devote their time on their full-time job, which is a plus for the school students of course.

Conversely, it is to the detriment of the tuition centre operators, as they will have a smaller pool of MOE tcrs well-versed with the current syllabus to tap on. As a consequence, they might hv to increase their salaries to retain talent, particularly former tcrs, in order to compete with other tuition centres for a smaller pool of talent.

Also, with fewer MOE tcrs availing themselves on weekends, the tuition centre will hv to shut down some classes, hence fewer slots for parents to pick, which in turn entails a drop in enrolment and ultimately, in revenue.

Another concern I have is, if the tuition centres want to maintain the constant supply of classes/slots to maintain their revenue intake, they will hv to source for alternative talent, meaning it could be just any degree-holders that purport they can teach tuition. Will these tutors hv the proper credentials/relevant experience to teach our kids? Will std of the tuition centres drop as a result of hiring less experienced and sub-std tutors to coach our kids?

But at the end of the day, will it solve the problem? Will the MOE-tcrs that return 100% to their jobs be able to give 100% attention to all the students, if the admin/CCA etc commitments don’t drop? WIll MOE supplement them in terms of allowance if they can conduct extra remedial classes for school students? When you take away this extra ‘moonlighting’ income opportunity from them, averaging $120 per hr or so, will the tcrs be happier?

Reply to MOE reviewing policy of allowing teachers to give tuition on Thu, 10 Oct 2013 05:03:25 GMT

SAHM_TAN — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 05:03:25 GMT

Daddy
SAHM_TAN:
[quote=\"Daddy D\"]MOE/NIE is just feeding the tuition monster... How to end?

:?
Parents are also in the equation :siam:

If cut the supply, maybe the demand will die off?[/quote]Maybe for parents who are on the fence kind. But for very determined parents who feel tuition is the way to go for that extra edge, I doubt so.

Reply to MOE reviewing policy of allowing teachers to give tuition on Thu, 10 Oct 2013 04:54:05 GMT

Daddy D — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 04:54:05 GMT

SAHM_TAN:
Daddy
MOE/NIE is just feeding the tuition monster... How to end?

:?
Parents are also in the equation :siam:

If cut the supply, maybe the demand will die off?

Reply to MOE reviewing policy of allowing teachers to give tuition on Thu, 10 Oct 2013 04:43:06 GMT

ngl2010 — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 04:43:06 GMT

MOE should announce that PSLE from now on won’t be difficult. It will lower demand for tuition.

Reply to MOE reviewing policy of allowing teachers to give tuition on Thu, 10 Oct 2013 04:41:30 GMT

SAHM_TAN — Thu, 10 Oct 2013 04:41:30 GMT

Daddy
MOE/NIE is just feeding the tuition monster... How to end?

:?

Parents are also in the equation :siam: