HCI as an "IP" school.

Reply to HCI as an "IP" school. on Sun, 21 Dec 2014 15:06:35 GMT

Hmmm — Sun, 21 Dec 2014 15:06:35 GMT

sama:

For Sec 2 to Sec 3, if the student MSG exceed by 0.16 point (ie MSG 3.16 which equivalent to 1 mark) the school is not entertaining appeal and do directly to SIP class. I gathered this info from a HCI parent

Not true at all. It isn't an automatic kind of thing. The teachers do take into account attitude and usual performance on top of the result for borderline cases. Most who miss by a point are still able to get into the IP track. Besides, SIP is like a wake-up call to many, most do make it back to IP at Sec 4 from personal experience so for some cases, getting into SIP is beneficial to the student, especially for those with bad attitudes. ~Student at HCI

Reply to HCI as an "IP" school. on Thu, 30 Oct 2014 12:02:14 GMT

UBKmom — Thu, 30 Oct 2014 12:02:14 GMT

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/sin ... 43230.html

HCI no so scary afterall, in another few years, you will see 4,5 years toddlers running around in HCI compound.

Reply to HCI as an "IP" school. on Tue, 28 Oct 2014 03:33:02 GMT

HappyBlueBear — Tue, 28 Oct 2014 03:33:02 GMT

Nebbermind:
iRabbit:
[quote=\"jetsetter\"]
What happened iR? U okay?
I got frightened by this thread. That's all.

Which part is frightening?[/quote]HCI Halloween is here again :nailbite: :roll:

Reply to HCI as an "IP" school. on Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:46:19 GMT

Nebbermind — Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:46:19 GMT

iRabbit:
jetsetter:
[quote=\"iRabbit\"]This is no doubt the scariest thread I've ever read in KSP. :nailbite:

What happened iR? U okay?

I got frightened by this thread. That's all.[/quote]Which part is frightening?

Reply to HCI as an "IP" school. on Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:19:56 GMT

iRabbit — Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:19:56 GMT

jetsetter:
iRabbit:
This is no doubt the scariest thread I've ever read in KSP. :nailbite:

What happened iR? U okay?

I got frightened by this thread. That's all.

Reply to HCI as an "IP" school. on Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:18:19 GMT

iRabbit — Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:18:19 GMT

iFirefly:
iRabbit:
This is no doubt the scariest thread I've ever read in KSP. :nailbite:

Did you have nightmare last nite, iRabbit ?

Yah, I got nitemare indeed.

Could somebody share whether the situation has improved this year?

Reply to HCI as an "IP" school. on Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:26:36 GMT

jetsetter — Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:26:36 GMT

iRabbit:
This is no doubt the scariest thread I've ever read in KSP. :nailbite:

What happened iR? U okay?

Reply to HCI as an "IP" school. on Mon, 20 Oct 2014 05:15:36 GMT

iFirefly — Mon, 20 Oct 2014 05:15:36 GMT

iRabbit:
This is no doubt the scariest thread I've ever read in KSP. :nailbite:

Did you have nightmare last nite, iRabbit ?

Reply to HCI as an "IP" school. on Mon, 20 Oct 2014 04:55:14 GMT

iRabbit — Mon, 20 Oct 2014 04:55:14 GMT

This is no doubt the scariest thread I've ever read in KSP. :nailbite:

Reply to HCI as an "IP" school. on Tue, 26 Nov 2013 01:58:05 GMT

Mum1113 — Tue, 26 Nov 2013 01:58:05 GMT

Hi, my ds score 260+2 for his PSLE. We are deciding whether to go to ACSI or HCI, and our first choice is the latter. However I am concern on the teaching culture in HCI as I heard one have to rely heavily on oneself in their homework as the teacher will mostly provide just the answer and not the solutions to their work. As such many students have to rely on tuition. Is it true? I do not want to over stress my son any myself financially to the point he will not enjoy his studies. Appreciate your comments with thanks.

Reply to HCI as an "IP" school. on Mon, 11 Nov 2013 05:36:50 GMT

EthanEthan — Mon, 11 Nov 2013 05:36:50 GMT

sama:
wonderm:
[quote=\"Augmum\"]
Come on...i based the info stated here to make my comments...
How could u say that i misled readers ??
It has been mentioned here that the cut off point being MSG 3.0, which is B3....
so isnt a B4 alrdy considered as a potential to be streamed to O level class ??
( B4 which is more than MSG 3.0) where i agree comments made by poster \"Mkkiasu\" ...

Unless the MSG 3.0 of HCI mentioned all this while is INcorrect...

My complete statement is as below ....
COP of msg 3.0 does not mean if you miss B3 by a few marks, you are streamed into O Level class.

- MSG 3.0 is computed across all subjects, so it is different from missing B3 by a few marks. Yes, that translates to an average of B3 across all subjects.
- Even if a child misses the promotional criteria of msg 3.0, he is not streamed into O Level class directly since this is not like Sec 1 posting based on T score which is done by computers. Based on what I hear, the school discusses with the parents and borderline cases are not be streamed into O Level class.

I am sure you don't have any intention to mislead anyone, but I felt the need to clarify as your above statement gives the wrong impression.

For Sec 2 to Sec 3, if the student MSG exceed by 0.16 point (ie MSG 3.16 which equivalent to 1 mark) the school is not entertaining appeal and do directly to SIP class. I gathered this info from a HCI parent[/quote]Wow...no appeal even for 1 mark ???

Does anybody know whats the practice in other IP schools ?

Reply to HCI as an "IP" school. on Mon, 11 Nov 2013 03:01:27 GMT

sama — Mon, 11 Nov 2013 03:01:27 GMT

wonderm:
Augmum:
[quote=\"wonderm\"]

\"missing 1 mark or a few marks to be streamed to an O Level class\"
- do you know of someone who actually encountered this in HCI?

It is good to share different experiences and offer different views. But if it is untrue, it may mislead the readers who are trying to make an informed decision.
Come on...i based the info stated here to make my comments...
How could u say that i misled readers ??
It has been mentioned here that the cut off point being MSG 3.0, which is B3....
so isnt a B4 alrdy considered as a potential to be streamed to O level class ??
( B4 which is more than MSG 3.0) where i agree comments made by poster \"Mkkiasu\" ...

Unless the MSG 3.0 of HCI mentioned all this while is INcorrect...

My complete statement is as below ....
Augmum:
Streaming an average pupil who scores let's say 1 mark or even few marks below B3 (B4) to an O level class.... :roll:

COP of msg 3.0 does not mean if you miss B3 by a few marks, you are streamed into O Level class.

- MSG 3.0 is computed across all subjects, so it is different from missing B3 by a few marks. Yes, that translates to an average of B3 across all subjects.
- Even if a child misses the promotional criteria of msg 3.0, he is not streamed into O Level class directly since this is not like Sec 1 posting based on T score which is done by computers. Based on what I hear, the school discusses with the parents and borderline cases are not be streamed into O Level class.

I am sure you don't have any intention to mislead anyone, but I felt the need to clarify as your above statement gives the wrong impression.[/quote]For Sec 2 to Sec 3, if the student MSG exceed by 0.16 point (ie MSG 3.16 which equivalent to 1 mark) the school is not entertaining appeal and do directly to SIP class. I gathered this info from a HCI parent

Reply to HCI as an "IP" school. on Mon, 11 Nov 2013 02:17:59 GMT

stetan — Mon, 11 Nov 2013 02:17:59 GMT

I think we have to differentiate between STRESS and FEAR.

It is okay to be stressed out preparing for your exams and such.

But to be so stressed out that you are in constant fear of exams and promotion, that creates an unhealthy environment that I will not subject my child to.

I have no problem with elite schools focusing on academic excellence but not when that focus get excessive. Of course the brilliant kids will have no issues but parents who have children that just make the cut off points may need to seriously consider.

Reply to HCI as an "IP" school. on Sun, 10 Nov 2013 05:14:25 GMT

NdHelpParent — Sun, 10 Nov 2013 05:14:25 GMT

A NEWBIE here started some negative comments about HCI and a few

have been rattling on & on about the stress level etc etc of HCI.
But it’s really UNCLEAR how many here whose children actually belong to HCI! There are other very good comments about the schools too ( These I’ve got good feedback from 3 other neighbours’ sons).

OTHER IP schools too have their share of stress , arrogant students, low EQs and disrespect of school teachers , ‘O’ level track etc etc ( trust me , first hand info from some Trs & students there) . But must we totally discredit the schools? In fact there might be just a few parents or students who feel that way( ie being negative) due to some reasons. It most probably does not represent the whole lot of pupils studying in these schools.
So to be fair to these schools, I hope parents who are considering IP schools like HCI , please do not be affected by just a few comments here and be discerning.

And regarding stress … IP students all over are feeling it … HCI is not alone.

Reply to HCI as an "IP" school. on Sun, 10 Nov 2013 01:15:54 GMT

PiggyLalala — Sun, 10 Nov 2013 01:15:54 GMT

mkkiasu:
UBKmom:
Everyone is concentrating on HCI Q class and stringent promotion criteria, however, at the end of the day, how many % still get promoted to JC? I read 95%, so what is the problem? I felt this whole thing have been blown out of proportion. If we want a fear free and stress free, guaranteed through train system to JC, we probably have to migrate to Finland .

Yes possibly at the end it is a handful at 5%. But why cut at a stringent criteria and go thru appeal, retest, moderation etc. the other schools seems to take a different approach of being less stringent but manage the poor performers nonetheless. The impact to the psyche of the general students is different.

PS: my ds is not in SIP. But he is worried the subjects he take next year (Yr 3) will affect his MSG. This shows the impact of such a school policy.

Hi mkkiasu,
Thanks for all your posts. I strongly agree with what you have written in most of yr posts. Just curious, did you or other parents raise your concerns to the school regarding this stringent promotion criteria to the Q class and how it may create stress and anxiety in the students and now affecting their choice in the subject combination next year. If yes, what is the school response on this.
Thanks.

Reply to HCI as an "IP" school. on Sat, 09 Nov 2013 21:33:31 GMT

TravelMummy — Sat, 09 Nov 2013 21:33:31 GMT

Nebbermind:
While a B3 promotional may seem rather high, let look at it another way.

If after moderation it brings the difficulty level to almost on par with national level, then a 6 subject aggregate would be ard 18.
even during my time, that would hardly deem suitable for jc curriculum.

Anyway, if these kids are mostly in the top 3% of the cohort, B3 is a realistic and reasonable target. So wouldn't the child be better off somewhere else if he can't cope with the pace instead of continuing with the suffering?

is the hci or any of the ip branding still so important when the kid is struggling?

:goodpost: I agree wholeheartedly. Smart kids need a high bar to continue being challenged. Set a low bar and they would probably lose focus and interest and spend more time on computer games. If they remain top 3% of the cohort, B3 shouldn't be too tough.

Reply to HCI as an "IP" school. on Sat, 09 Nov 2013 15:55:40 GMT

Augmum — Sat, 09 Nov 2013 15:55:40 GMT

wonderm:
Augmum:
[quote=\"wonderm\"]

\"missing 1 mark or a few marks to be streamed to an O Level class\"
- do you know of someone who actually encountered this in HCI?

It is good to share different experiences and offer different views. But if it is untrue, it may mislead the readers who are trying to make an informed decision.
Come on...i based the info stated here to make my comments...
How could u say that i misled readers ??
It has been mentioned here that the cut off point being MSG 3.0, which is B3....
so isnt a B4 alrdy considered as a potential to be streamed to O level class ??
( B4 which is more than MSG 3.0) where i agree comments made by poster \"Mkkiasu\" ...

Unless the MSG 3.0 of HCI mentioned all this while is INcorrect...

My complete statement is as below ....
Augmum:
Streaming an average pupil who scores let's say 1 mark or even few marks below B3 (B4) to an O level class.... :roll:

COP of msg 3.0 does not mean if you miss B3 by a few marks, you are streamed into O Level class.

- MSG 3.0 is computed across all subjects, so it is different from missing B3 by a few marks. Yes, that translates to an average of B3 across all subjects.
- Even if a child misses the promotional criteria of msg 3.0, he is not streamed into O Level class directly since this is not like Sec 1 posting based on T score which is done by computers. Based on what I hear, the school discusses with the parents and borderline cases are not be streamed into O Level class.

I am sure you don't have any intention to mislead anyone, but I felt the need to clarify as your above statement gives the wrong impression.[/quote]I know .... I know that MSG is computed across all subjects....similar to GPA computation...
i didnt say it is for individual subj...
i believe in any schs, IP or not...
it is rather common that schs would review case by case....taking into other considerations....esp those borderline cases ....
Not only in HCI...

But before the review by the sch....
arent the stringent promo criteria putting some unncessary stress n anxiety to some students ??( ok, better dont use the word ave student)

Peace....i would not want to go any further regarding this...

Reply to HCI as an "IP" school. on Sat, 09 Nov 2013 15:43:20 GMT

wonderm — Sat, 09 Nov 2013 15:43:20 GMT

Augmum:
wonderm:
[quote=\"Augmum\"]
Streaming an average pupil who scores let's say 1 mark or even few marks below B3 (B4) to an O level class.... :roll:
\"average pupil\" defined as? by whom?
- if we are talking about an average student in HCI, then no, he will not be streamed to O Level class or post to Poly (as someone shared earlier only a handful actually went Poly after Sec 4 and I don't see it being that different from other top IP Schools)
- if we are talking about an average student in the whole cohort in SG, then such students are not suitable for the fast pace in HCI to start with?

Obviously i can't be referring to the \" average pupil of whole cohort in SG\"...
How could an ave pupil of SG eligible to get into HCI ??

Since we are mow talking abt IP schs.....
Having a MSG of 3.0 which translates to an equivalent of GPA of 3.2...(+/-)
Pupils with an overall GPA of 3.2 in DHS, or even in some IP schs....( where the maximum GPA is 4.0)
Can we safely defined them as \"Average\" ?? certainly they dont belong to the bottom lot....No??[/quote]Oh I see. So GPA 3.2 in DHS is considered average and acceptable. In HCI average msg is about 2.0.

Without knowing the details of each IP school's difficulty level of papers, computation method and calibre of students, school and parents' expectations, I shall refrain from defining what should be an acceptable average grade.

Good sharing anyway.

Reply to HCI as an "IP" school. on Sat, 09 Nov 2013 15:33:48 GMT

mkkiasu — Sat, 09 Nov 2013 15:33:48 GMT

UBKmom:
Everyone is concentrating on HCI Q class and stringent promotion criteria, however, at the end of the day, how many % still get promoted to JC? I read 95%, so what is the problem? I felt this whole thing have been blown out of proportion. If we want a fear free and stress free, guaranteed through train system to JC, we probably have to migrate to Finland .

Yes possibly at the end it is a handful at 5%. But why cut at a stringent criteria and go thru appeal, retest, moderation etc. the other schools seems to take a different approach of being less stringent but manage the poor performers nonetheless. The impact to the psyche of the general students is different.

PS: my ds is not in SIP. But he is worried the subjects he take next year (Yr 3) will affect his MSG. This shows the impact of such a school policy.

Reply to HCI as an "IP" school. on Sat, 09 Nov 2013 15:32:46 GMT

Augmum — Sat, 09 Nov 2013 15:32:46 GMT

wonderm:
Augmum:

Streaming an average pupil who scores let's say 1 mark or even few marks below B3 (B4) to an O level class.... :roll:
\"average pupil\" defined as? by whom?
- if we are talking about an average student in HCI, then no, he will not be streamed to O Level class or post to Poly (as someone shared earlier only a handful actually went Poly after Sec 4 and I don't see it being that different from other top IP Schools)
- if we are talking about an average student in the whole cohort in SG, then such students are not suitable for the fast pace in HCI to start with?

Reply to HCI as an "IP" school. on Sat, 09 Nov 2013 15:21:57 GMT

wonderm — Sat, 09 Nov 2013 15:21:57 GMT

Augmum:
wonderm:

\"missing 1 mark or a few marks to be streamed to an O Level class\"
- do you know of someone who actually encountered this in HCI?

It is good to share different experiences and offer different views. But if it is untrue, it may mislead the readers who are trying to make an informed decision.
Come on...i based the info stated here to make my comments...
How could u say that i misled readers ??
It has been mentioned here that the cut off point being MSG 3.0, which is B3....
so isnt a B4 alrdy considered as a potential to be streamed to O level class ??
( B4 which is more than MSG 3.0) where i agree comments made by poster \"Mkkiasu\" ...

Unless the MSG 3.0 of HCI mentioned all this while is INcorrect...

My complete statement is as below ....
Augmum:
Streaming an average pupil who scores let's say 1 mark or even few marks below B3 (B4) to an O level class.... :roll:

Reply to HCI as an "IP" school. on Sat, 09 Nov 2013 15:06:40 GMT

Augmum — Sat, 09 Nov 2013 15:06:40 GMT

wonderm:

\"missing 1 mark or a few marks to be streamed to an O Level class\"
- do you know of someone who actually encountered this in HCI?

It is good to share different experiences and offer different views. But if it is untrue, it may mislead the readers who are trying to make an informed decision.

Come on...i based the info stated here to make my comments...
How could u say that i misled readers ??
It has been mentioned here that the cut off point being MSG 3.0, which is B3....
so isnt a B4 alrdy considered as a potential to be streamed to O level class ??
( B4 which is more than MSG 3.0) where i agree comments made by poster \"Mkkiasu\" ...

Unless the MSG 3.0 of HCI mentioned all this while is INcorrect...

My complete statement is as below ....

Augmum:
Streaming an average pupil who scores let's say 1 mark or even few marks below B3 (B4) to an O level class.... :roll:

Reply to HCI as an "IP" school. on Sat, 09 Nov 2013 14:36:14 GMT

wonderm — Sat, 09 Nov 2013 14:36:14 GMT

Augmum:

Streaming an average pupil who scores let's say 1 mark or even few marks below B3 (B4) to an O level class.... :roll:

\"average pupil\" defined as? by whom?
- if we are talking about an average student in HCI, then no, he will not be streamed to O Level class or post to Poly (as someone shared earlier only a handful actually went Poly after Sec 4 and I don't see it being that different from other top IP Schools)
- if we are talking about an average student in the whole cohort in SG, then such students are not suitable for the fast pace in HCI to start with?

\"missing 1 mark or a few marks to be streamed to an O Level class\"
- :yikes:
- do you know of someone who actually encountered this in HCI? :?

It is good to share different experiences and offer different views. But if it is just speculation from people, it may mislead the readers who are trying to make an informed decision.