<![CDATA[Express or Normal Academic]]>Thanks for your info

My boy had choose G2 group, so means roughly around 2 class in a school .

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/topic/65315/express-or-normal-academicRSS for NodeMon, 20 Apr 2026 00:59:01 GMTMon, 27 Nov 2023 16:10:40 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Express or Normal Academic on Mon, 27 Nov 2023 11:25:03 GMT]]>I think nationally, the G3/G2/G1 split should be about 6 / 2 / 1 (rounding), which is pretty close to the example above. However, when you take out the IP/Specialized/Express Only Schools (SAP/dual track), the remaining ratio is probably something like 4.5 / 2 / 1.


There are likely some ebbs and flows based on the school, but most are likely in the ballpark of the two ratios above.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2123826https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2123826Mon, 27 Nov 2023 11:25:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Express or Normal Academic on Mon, 27 Nov 2023 10:39:09 GMT]]>

wonderwebmum\" post_id=\"2123797\" time=\"1701075843\" user_id=\"132460:

May I know if any one can share regarding how many classes of Group 1/2/3 Secondary School have?
For my child’s school (FSBB) the number of vacancies in 2022 for each stream (G3/G2/G1) was 220/76/36. So u can expect roughly that ratio in each mixed form class.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2123817https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2123817Mon, 27 Nov 2023 10:39:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Express or Normal Academic on Mon, 27 Nov 2023 09:04:03 GMT]]>May I know if any one can share regarding how many classes of Group 1/2/3 Secondary School have?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2123797https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2123797Mon, 27 Nov 2023 09:04:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Express or Normal Academic on Fri, 24 Nov 2023 09:57:53 GMT]]>Dear parents, new here.

My Nephew’s was given a choice between G2 and G3 and has expressed desire to give G3 a try and work hard.
Can anyone help rank the following schools or give input (if any) on the following schools. Would like to have 1-2 of the below fill up the rest of his choices.

Bartley secondary school
Bendemeer secondary school
Yu Ying Secondary school

Thank you in advance and have a great weekend all.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2123487https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2123487Fri, 24 Nov 2023 09:57:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Express or Normal Academic on Thu, 23 Nov 2023 08:00:29 GMT]]>@Rishisusee What group is he planning to go to? G3 or G2? For AL21, I’d suggest G2 first as G3 can be too much for him. If he improves (cuz sec school and pri school quite diff), he can consider going to G3 in sec 2 if the school offers him the chance to!

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2123259https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2123259Thu, 23 Nov 2023 08:00:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Express or Normal Academic on Wed, 22 Nov 2023 06:04:21 GMT]]>Hi parents ,


My DD got AL 21 so which school will be the best for year ?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2123081https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2123081Wed, 22 Nov 2023 06:04:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Express or Normal Academic on Wed, 08 Feb 2023 14:06:05 GMT]]>

SG_KP1\" post_id=\"2096972\" time=\"1675863519\" user_id=\"188234:

Article on FSBB...

https://www.schoolbag.edu.sg/story/three-years-on-how-secondary-school-life-has-changed-with-full-subject-based-banding
Nice to hear from the teachers’ point of view.

DS is enjoying his FSBB class so far. There’s lots of shuffling around to various classrooms during the 7 core subjects, but they have gotten the hang of it by now. Not supposed to leave their stuff under their (homeroom) desks or it may go missing. Either take with them to next classroom or keep in locker.

Bonding-wise, they had a fantastic 3D2N Orientation camp where activities were grouped by form class. He sees no difference between Exp/NA/NT kids (nobody really cares or remembers after a while) and I believe that is the major plus point of FSBB.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2096974https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2096974Wed, 08 Feb 2023 14:06:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Express or Normal Academic on Wed, 08 Feb 2023 13:38:39 GMT]]>Article on FSBB...


https://www.schoolbag.edu.sg/story/three-years-on-how-secondary-school-life-has-changed-with-full-subject-based-banding

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2096972https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2096972Wed, 08 Feb 2023 13:38:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Express or Normal Academic on Sat, 26 Nov 2022 03:43:32 GMT]]>I feel it doesn’t make sense to use E/NA/NT to sort students into Schools and then G1/2/3 since these E/NA/NT are to abolished. Will MOE have a better way to sort the students into the schools next time or will all schools become the same the next time?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2090390https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2090390Sat, 26 Nov 2022 03:43:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Express or Normal Academic on Sat, 26 Nov 2022 03:27:14 GMT]]>

zac's mum\" post_id=\"2090378\" time=\"1669432640\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2090378 time=1669432640 user_id=53606]
They may not have a deadline to decide by / announce next year, since the first national exam will only take place 4 years later.

Our batch has been anxiously asking what happens to our kids after N levels, will the schools allow them to be the final batch to take the O levels in Sec 5? No answers forthcoming at all. Seems like all the educators are pushing for PFP.[/quote]
Personally, I think PFP is a fantastic option for N Level students. More viable to go via the poly route than the JC route for this group of students if the end goal is university education. The success rate, I would guess, is much higher as well.

I feel that the plans have already been made and decided when MOE made the earlier communication about SBB and G1 /2 /3. It’s just a matter of announcing it at the right time. Next year P6 will be affected by this new system and will no longer have the option of O / NA / NT. Thus, that is a need to explain what people are getting into when they choose G1 /2 /3. It will be the most opportune time to complete the picture.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2090383https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2090383Sat, 26 Nov 2022 03:27:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Express or Normal Academic on Sat, 26 Nov 2022 03:17:20 GMT]]>

floppy\" post_id=\"2090376\" time=\"1669432232\" user_id=\"97579:

I think we will know next year as it will affect next year’s P6 cohort 😂
They may not have a deadline to decide by / announce next year, since the first national exam will only take place 4 years later.

Our batch has been anxiously asking what happens to our kids after N levels, will the schools allow them to be the final batch to take the O levels in Sec 5? No answers forthcoming at all. Seems like all the educators are pushing for PFP.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2090378https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2090378Sat, 26 Nov 2022 03:17:20 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Express or Normal Academic on Sat, 26 Nov 2022 03:10:32 GMT]]>

SG_KP1\" post_id=\"2090370\" time=\"1669431673\" user_id=\"188234:

I think L1R5 may still exist, just that the highest G2 ia translated to something lower than A1 for G3.

But we don't know and your way may be what it turns out to be.

At it's core, I think it is whether all kids get one total points figure regardless of G3-G2-G1 and the total is used across all different paths or whether the different paths cater to a mix of G3-G2-G1 depending on what makes the most sense for them. I would think the latter makes more sense (subject requirements are different already depending on where one is going) but this is just my gut reaction.
I think we will know next year as it will affect next year’s P6 cohort 😂

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2090376https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2090376Sat, 26 Nov 2022 03:10:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Express or Normal Academic on Sat, 26 Nov 2022 03:01:13 GMT]]>

floppy\" post_id=\"2090358\" time=\"1669429876\" user_id=\"97579:

No. It’s a lot more than that: https://www.moe.gov.sg/microsites/cos2019/index.html

For starters, it will be a unified exam at the end of sec 4 (no more O or N).

The familiar L1R5 or L1R2B2 as the basis to enter JC or Poly will also be replaced by a new unknown system (since they would have to take into consideration the G2 and G3). My guess is something like minimum 5 G1 + 2 G2 for JC and 1 G1 + 4 G2 for poly (with G1 getting higher points for evaluation). ITE is already a somewhat similar system to differentiate students using O and N results.

The good news is: no one will know whether you are Express or Normal. Hence, the “reputation” of the school and the consistency of the school in delivering results will be important. The bad news is: you probably can’t choose G1 (Express) if you are not eligible (subject has to be AL5 or better to take a subject at G1 (Express / O Level) - no benefit for late boomers who could move from N to O Level at sec 4 to sec 5 (as there is no more sec 5).
I think L1R5 may still exist, just that the highest G2 ia translated to something lower than A1 for G3.

But we don't know and your way may be what it turns out to be.

At it's core, I think it is whether all kids get one total points figure regardless of G3-G2-G1 and the total is used across all different paths or whether the different paths cater to a mix of G3-G2-G1 depending on what makes the most sense for them. I would think the latter makes more sense (subject requirements are different already depending on where one is going) but this is just my gut reaction.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2090370https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2090370Sat, 26 Nov 2022 03:01:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Express or Normal Academic on Sat, 26 Nov 2022 02:49:57 GMT]]>Back to this NA or Express discussion, since we are talking about SBB. A PSLE score 21 student will have at least 1 subject eligible at the express level (ie AL5 or better). I will certainly prioritize schools that have shown consistent results at O Level (especially for the subjects that I’m eligible for) rather than picking an Express stream but results may be lagging far behind the national average (or just around the average).

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2090363https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2090363Sat, 26 Nov 2022 02:49:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Express or Normal Academic on Sat, 26 Nov 2022 02:46:10 GMT]]>

zac's mum\" post_id=\"2090360\" time=\"1669430677\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2090360 time=1669430677 user_id=53606]
Ah, I see what u mean regarding the common national exam.

Btw, i think u have mixed up the numbers in the tracks. It’s supposed to mirror the A level subject difficulties: H1 simplier, H2 standard, H3 special papers.

So G1 Normal Tech, G2 Normal Acad, G3 Express.[/quote]
Oh thanks :oops:

Yah, still haven’t gotten used to this 1 /2 /3 thing 😆

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2090362https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2090362Sat, 26 Nov 2022 02:46:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Express or Normal Academic on Sat, 26 Nov 2022 02:44:37 GMT]]>Ah, I see what u mean regarding the common national exam.


Btw, i think u have mixed up the numbers in the tracks. It’s supposed to mirror the A level subject difficulties: H1 simplier, H2 standard, H3 special papers.

So G1 Normal Tech, G2 Normal Acad, G3 Express.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2090360https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2090360Sat, 26 Nov 2022 02:44:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Express or Normal Academic on Sat, 26 Nov 2022 02:31:16 GMT]]>

zac's mum\" post_id=\"2090350\" time=\"1669427511\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2090350 time=1669427511 user_id=53606]
Isn’t it just a change in nomenclature?[/quote]
No. It’s a lot more than that: https://www.moe.gov.sg/microsites/cos2019/index.html

For starters, it will be a unified exam at the end of sec 4 (no more O or N).

The familiar L1R5 or L1R2B2 as the basis to enter JC or Poly will also be replaced by a new unknown system (since they would have to take into consideration the G2 and G3). My guess is something like minimum 5 G1 + 2 G2 for JC and 1 G1 + 4 G2 for poly (with G1 getting higher points for evaluation). ITE is already a somewhat similar system to differentiate students using O and N results.

The good news is: no one will know whether you are Express or Normal. Hence, the “reputation” of the school and the consistency of the school in delivering results will be important. The bad news is: you probably can’t choose G1 (Express) if you are not eligible (subject has to be AL5 or better to take a subject at G1 (Express / O Level) - no benefit for late boomers who could move from N to O Level at sec 4 to sec 5 (as there is no more sec 5).

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2090358https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2090358Sat, 26 Nov 2022 02:31:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Express or Normal Academic on Sat, 26 Nov 2022 01:51:51 GMT]]>Isn’t it just a change in nomenclature?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2090350https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2090350Sat, 26 Nov 2022 01:51:51 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Express or Normal Academic on Sat, 26 Nov 2022 01:46:10 GMT]]>MOE is just building things up to the new post-secondary exercise from 2028. From 2024 (affecting students who are P6 next year), the O, NA and NT “classification” will be replaced by G1, G2 and G3 banding.


P/S: what it also means is… there will one whole lot of confusion and different strategy in choosing schools next year 😆

https://www.moe.gov.sg/microsites/psle-fsbb/assets/infographics/full-subject-based-banding/Remaking-Secondary-School-Pathways.pdf\">

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2090348https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2090348Sat, 26 Nov 2022 01:46:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Express or Normal Academic on Sat, 26 Nov 2022 01:05:26 GMT]]>

Imp75\" post_id=\"2090265\" time=\"1669370134\" user_id=\"2358:

If that’s the case why do we still hv NA or NT or E COP cutoff? Or will these be removed from 2024 onwards?
I think some sort of differentiated COPs will still be needed to ensure that the schools have a mix of students. If not, the school selection is likely to concentrate certain bands in certain schools. They could find other ways of achieving this, I guess, e.g. by allocating school places by residential address (which doesn't always work well).

Another reason for differentiated COPs could be a way to decide what level of subjects each student can take, and how many of each, and whether they take N levels or only the O levels, and after 4 or 5 years. I guess once FSBB has become the norm, there will be other tweaks down the road. But I am glad that the boundaries between 'streams' are being blurred.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2090344https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2090344Sat, 26 Nov 2022 01:05:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Express or Normal Academic on Fri, 25 Nov 2022 13:33:08 GMT]]>

zac's mum\" post_id=\"2090304\" time=\"1669380064\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2090304 time=1669380064 user_id=53606]
Plus MSHS, NHHS, and dunno (pls add on).[/quote]
The rest all become full IP or dual track liao, even more untouchable 😆

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2090310https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2090310Fri, 25 Nov 2022 13:33:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Express or Normal Academic on Fri, 25 Nov 2022 12:41:04 GMT]]>

Imp75\" post_id=\"2090302\" time=\"1669379288\" user_id=\"2358:

Strange indeed. These SAP are AHS CCHM and NCHS?
Plus MSHS, NHHS, and dunno (pls add on).

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2090304https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2090304Fri, 25 Nov 2022 12:41:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Express or Normal Academic on Fri, 25 Nov 2022 12:28:08 GMT]]>

zac's mum\" post_id=\"2090289\" time=\"1669375719\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2090289 time=1669375719 user_id=53606]
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/moe-full-subject-based-banding-secondary-schools-streaming-2544046?internal_sharetool_iphone_25112022_cna

To be precise, the 3 remaining non-SAP all-Express schools will start taking in NA students in 2024 as part of the FSBB bandwagon.

The Express-only SAP schools are somehow untouchable and will maintain their aloofness from the “less smart”.[/quote]
Strange indeed. These SAP are AHS CCHM and NCHS?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2090302https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/2090302Fri, 25 Nov 2022 12:28:08 GMT