Your view - iPad Incident at playground

Reply to Your view - iPad Incident at playground on Mon, 30 Dec 2013 01:12:28 GMT

limlim — Mon, 30 Dec 2013 01:12:28 GMT

atrecord:

Why don't they just put up signs and switch off the light (I'm assuming there is light there) at the court at 10 pm? Seems cheaper that way.

actually the fence have a more impt function.

To prevent stray balls from injuring innocents passerby.

Reply to Your view - iPad Incident at playground on Mon, 30 Dec 2013 01:08:22 GMT

limlim — Mon, 30 Dec 2013 01:08:22 GMT

sushi88:
limlim:
What is wrong with using an iPad while, say, waiting for their kids at a playground?

if they are sitting at a designate bench and not in the middle of the playground. onus is on the kids keeping their balls within the playground area and not at anyone (passerby or sitting outside the play area), correct?

Just bcoz you're at a playground doesn't mean you can play without any regards for others.

No?

of coz, liability in this case is a tricky question.. I'm just saying.. the player does own a duty of care towards other users..
Everything is wrong. When at the playground, play with your kids, not with your iPad. What happened when gadgets like iPad were not invented? You sit and watch your kids play. You talk to them and you enjoy the play with them. It is the best time to communicate with the kids on everything literally under the sun. In the worst case scenario if I must use a gadget there, I will be just doing a video of them having fun or taking photos which they can keep as fond memories but do it briefly.

Onus on the kids, depends on how old they are right? Kids learning how to play ball can control so well? And they are playing within the play area. I don't think the kids in this incident here were playing without regards for others. Most kids playing at the playground are already having regards for others by not playing at the wrong places. I think we can assume that much.

if they are not old enough, then the parents shd teach.

my impression is Playground is not designated for ball games. of coz depending on type of balls but generally, balls are not meant to be played at playgrounds.

And, if I am not mistaken, the P is not playing iPad IN the playground itself.

Most likely she is sitting at a designated seat OUTSIDE the playground.

Reply to Your view - iPad Incident at playground on Fri, 27 Dec 2013 07:12:30 GMT

pirate — Fri, 27 Dec 2013 07:12:30 GMT

This is a typical example of people who think they can get away with something just by making a lot of noise. Their mentality is that if they make a lot of noise, there is a chance that the other side may give in to their demand just to avoid the hassle, regardless of how unreasonable it may be.

They are also typically cowards at heart. Hence the need for the husband to call in 'reinforcements'.

The solution is to stand one's ground and ignore the ridiculous demands. People like that tend to shut up when they consult a lawyer and are told that it will cost them $150 just for the lawyer to write a letter of demand and thousands of dollars if they decide to take it to court regardless of the outcome.

The typical police conclusion after going through all the motion is, \"This is a civil matter, settle it yourselves\".

Now you know where typical playground and school bullies come from. :evil:

Reply to Your view - iPad Incident at playground on Fri, 27 Dec 2013 05:44:55 GMT

BeContented — Fri, 27 Dec 2013 05:44:55 GMT

atrecord:
sushi88:
So the impossible has happened when we meet impossible people.

In this case, RC is sending out a tougher message to the people playing in the basketball court. Did they try to send flyers or put up notices to inform no more playing after 10pm before installing the fence? If they did, then the fence was probably a last resort. If they did not, then it is assumed people will not follow rules set by RC.
Why don't they just put up signs and switch off the light (I'm assuming there is light there) at the court at 10 pm? Seems cheaper that way.

Already did. Signs. Off lights. All done. Think the fence is a last resort cos those complaints wanted the basketball court to be removed totally. There was even a survey conducted.

Reply to Your view - iPad Incident at playground on Fri, 27 Dec 2013 05:43:36 GMT

sushi88 — Fri, 27 Dec 2013 05:43:36 GMT

Yeah lights crossed my mind just now when I post too…but I found some reasons for them not doing it…

1. Perhaps the switch controls more than just basketball court lights
2. For safety reason, better to keep the lights on in case other hanky panky can happen in the basketball court, or illegal gathering drinking alcohol.

Reply to Your view - iPad Incident at playground on Fri, 27 Dec 2013 04:12:47 GMT

atrecord — Fri, 27 Dec 2013 04:12:47 GMT

sushi88:
So the impossible has happened when we meet impossible people.

In this case, RC is sending out a tougher message to the people playing in the basketball court. Did they try to send flyers or put up notices to inform no more playing after 10pm before installing the fence? If they did, then the fence was probably a last resort. If they did not, then it is assumed people will not follow rules set by RC.

Why don't they just put up signs and switch off the light (I'm assuming there is light there) at the court at 10 pm? Seems cheaper that way.

Reply to Your view - iPad Incident at playground on Fri, 27 Dec 2013 04:07:00 GMT

sushi88 — Fri, 27 Dec 2013 04:07:00 GMT

So the impossible has happened when we meet impossible people.

In this case, RC is sending out a tougher message to the people playing in the basketball court. Did they try to send flyers or put up notices to inform no more playing after 10pm before installing the fence? If they did, then the fence was probably a last resort. If they did not, then it is assumed people will not follow rules set by RC.

Reply to Your view - iPad Incident at playground on Fri, 27 Dec 2013 03:17:29 GMT

atrecord — Fri, 27 Dec 2013 03:17:29 GMT

BeContented:
ChiefKiasu:
[quote=\"sushi88\"]My gut feel would be the town council may put up a notice that no iPad or expensive gadgets to be used near the playground in future.... haha. That would be the lesson for P.

To me, since it is a playground and outdoor(as long as not next to the roadside), the children should be allowed to play ball...otherwise where else can they play, corridor in a flat, even worse right? As adults, if we want to use any gadgets in an inappropriate place, we just need to know our risk.
That won't happen. But what might happen is that notices placed to say that people who use these devices at these places will do so at their own risk.

I'm keen to know what will happen next. Got chance I'll ask the RC uncle when I bump into him.

Actually, just last/this year, the open-air basketball ~30m away was fenced up. Some residents not happy that people (esp not staying around the blocks here) were playing after 10pm & made sooooooo much complaints that they demand for the basketball court to be removed. I was so :stupid:
Anyway, voted against the removal. End result - they built a high fence & it gets locked up at 10pm. What an eyesore. :roll:

With this case, I won't be surprise if they go caging up the playground next. People are very intolerant of each other's these days. :sad:[/quote]Are you serious? Who will go and lock/unlock the fence every day/night?

Reply to Your view - iPad Incident at playground on Thu, 26 Dec 2013 15:52:13 GMT

BeContented — Thu, 26 Dec 2013 15:52:13 GMT

ChiefKiasu:
sushi88:
My gut feel would be the town council may put up a notice that no iPad or expensive gadgets to be used near the playground in future.... haha. That would be the lesson for P.

To me, since it is a playground and outdoor(as long as not next to the roadside), the children should be allowed to play ball...otherwise where else can they play, corridor in a flat, even worse right? As adults, if we want to use any gadgets in an inappropriate place, we just need to know our risk.
That won't happen. But what might happen is that notices placed to say that people who use these devices at these places will do so at their own risk.

Reply to Your view - iPad Incident at playground on Thu, 26 Dec 2013 13:00:17 GMT

sushi88 — Thu, 26 Dec 2013 13:00:17 GMT

jetsetter:
who will pay if a projectile is deflected by a passerby and hit a 1st floor unit's window, potted plants or someone's windscreen?

just \"suay\", an Act of God, claim insurance first then investigate. If not, the passerby will be the one lying in the hospital. But if could trace back whoever or where-ever the projectile came from, that should be the source of responsibility. In this case, the children are playing in the playground designated for play. Like someone mentioned earlier, if you bring your expensive antiques to the playground to admire or show off, then it is asking for trouble.

Reply to Your view - iPad Incident at playground on Thu, 26 Dec 2013 12:51:11 GMT

sushi88 — Thu, 26 Dec 2013 12:51:11 GMT

limlim:
What is wrong with using an iPad while, say, waiting for their kids at a playground?

if they are sitting at a designate bench and not in the middle of the playground. onus is on the kids keeping their balls within the playground area and not at anyone (passerby or sitting outside the play area), correct?

Just bcoz you're at a playground doesn't mean you can play without any regards for others.

No?

of coz, liability in this case is a tricky question.. I'm just saying.. the player does own a duty of care towards other users..

Everything is wrong. When at the playground, play with your kids, not with your iPad. What happened when gadgets like iPad were not invented? You sit and watch your kids play. You talk to them and you enjoy the play with them. It is the best time to communicate with the kids on everything literally under the sun. In the worst case scenario if I must use a gadget there, I will be just doing a video of them having fun or taking photos which they can keep as fond memories but do it briefly.

Onus on the kids, depends on how old they are right? Kids learning how to play ball can control so well? And they are playing within the play area. I don't think the kids in this incident here were playing without regards for others. Most kids playing at the playground are already having regards for others by not playing at the wrong places. I think we can assume that much.

Reply to Your view - iPad Incident at playground on Thu, 26 Dec 2013 07:34:30 GMT

atrecord — Thu, 26 Dec 2013 07:34:30 GMT

limlim:
What is wrong with using an iPad while, say, waiting for their kids at a playground?

if they are sitting at a designate bench and not in the middle of the playground. onus is on the kids keeping their balls within the playground area and not at anyone (passerby or sitting outside the play area), correct?

Just bcoz you're at a playground doesn't mean you can play without any regards for others.

No?

of coz, liability in this case is a tricky question.. I'm just saying.. the player does own a duty of care towards other users..

This type of situation, even ask 包青天 to judge also difficult lah...
Plain bad luck...

Reply to Your view - iPad Incident at playground on Thu, 26 Dec 2013 07:32:18 GMT

jetsetter — Thu, 26 Dec 2013 07:32:18 GMT

who will pay if a projectile is deflected by a passerby and hit a 1st floor unit’s window, potted plants or someone’s windscreen?

Reply to Your view - iPad Incident at playground on Thu, 26 Dec 2013 06:57:14 GMT

limlim — Thu, 26 Dec 2013 06:57:14 GMT

What is wrong with using an iPad while, say, waiting for their kids at a playground?

if they are sitting at a designate bench and not in the middle of the playground. onus is on the kids keeping their balls within the playground area and not at anyone (passerby or sitting outside the play area), correct?

Just bcoz you’re at a playground doesn’t mean you can play without any regards for others.

No?

of coz, liability in this case is a tricky question… I’m just saying… the player does own a duty of care towards other users…

Reply to Your view - iPad Incident at playground on Thu, 26 Dec 2013 04:22:11 GMT

sushi88 — Thu, 26 Dec 2013 04:22:11 GMT

ChiefKiasu:
sushi88:
My gut feel would be the town council may put up a notice that no iPad or expensive gadgets to be used near the playground in future.... haha. That would be the lesson for P.

To me, since it is a playground and outdoor(as long as not next to the roadside), the children should be allowed to play ball...otherwise where else can they play, corridor in a flat, even worse right? As adults, if we want to use any gadgets in an inappropriate place, we just need to know our risk.
That won't happen. But what might happen is that notices placed to say that people who use these devices at these places will do so at their own risk.

That is true. I just want to make it sound funny(see my haha) that the town council want to express their :mad: over such silly incidents.

Reply to Your view - iPad Incident at playground on Thu, 26 Dec 2013 04:12:47 GMT

Imp75 — Thu, 26 Dec 2013 04:12:47 GMT

I would just let it go and blame on bad luck haha!

Reply to Your view - iPad Incident at playground on Thu, 26 Dec 2013 04:10:40 GMT

ChiefKiasu — Thu, 26 Dec 2013 04:10:40 GMT

sushi88:
My gut feel would be the town council may put up a notice that no iPad or expensive gadgets to be used near the playground in future.... haha. That would be the lesson for P.

To me, since it is a playground and outdoor(as long as not next to the roadside), the children should be allowed to play ball...otherwise where else can they play, corridor in a flat, even worse right? As adults, if we want to use any gadgets in an inappropriate place, we just need to know our risk.

That won't happen. But what might happen is that notices placed to say that people who use these devices at these places will do so at their own risk.

Reply to Your view - iPad Incident at playground on Thu, 26 Dec 2013 04:08:50 GMT

ChiefKiasu — Thu, 26 Dec 2013 04:08:50 GMT

Used ipad worth only $500 at most. Fix screen at most $150. All these quarrels, police time, court time, etc, doesn’t justify the control costs.

You may say it is a matter of principle, that the perpetrator be punished. But how do we assign blame in this case?

It is clearly not the fault of the mother who blocked the ball as she did not originally throw the ball. It is not the fault of the kid who threw the ball either, since it is the playground after all. So who’s fault is it?

Reply to Your view - iPad Incident at playground on Thu, 26 Dec 2013 04:08:40 GMT

sushi88 — Thu, 26 Dec 2013 04:08:40 GMT

My gut feel would be the town council may put up a notice that no iPad or expensive gadgets to be used near the playground in future… haha. That would be the lesson for P.

To me, since it is a playground and outdoor(as long as not next to the roadside), the children should be allowed to play ball…otherwise where else can they play, corridor in a flat, even worse right? As adults, if we want to use any gadgets in an inappropriate place, we just need to know our risk.

Reply to Your view - iPad Incident at playground on Thu, 26 Dec 2013 03:18:29 GMT

limlim — Thu, 26 Dec 2013 03:18:29 GMT

Irrelevant:

In any case, the policemen cannot do anything. If P wants to pursue, she can only fight it out in the courts. It is a situation that (i)might cost her more than the ipad in legal fees and (ii)she has to prove that Y owes her a duty of care in the first place.

Yeah most likely a civil suit.

Anyway, not to say that P entirely has no recourse (say, if she really wanna pursue).

The venue is a playground. And generally (depending on the TC or HDB regulations?), ball games \"may\" (just saying) not actually be allowed.

One expects reasonable safety at playgrounds where kids can roam about freely w/o high risk of being hit by a projectile flying all over the place (in this case, a ball).

So, the player owns a duty of care towards other users of the playground (again, depending on what type of ball games or playground lah).

Again, Y is an innocent party. So, P shd seek the players, not Y. Y did not intentionally puts others at risk.

I would say, it is reasonable to expect not to be hit by a projectile when playing with one's iPad at a children's playground, if the user is sitting at a side bench and not in the middle of the playground lah.. Users of the playground own a duty of care to other pple sitting around on a designated bench.

Reply to Your view - iPad Incident at playground on Thu, 26 Dec 2013 02:56:20 GMT

Irrelevant — Thu, 26 Dec 2013 02:56:20 GMT

The incident described should fall under TORT in common law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tort/url

For further reading:

http://www.singaporelaw.sg/sglaw/laws-of-singapore/commercial-law/chapter-20/url

In any case, the policemen cannot do anything. If P wants to pursue, she can only fight it out in the courts. It is a situation that (i)might cost her more than the ipad in legal fees and (ii)she has to prove that Y owes her a duty of care in the first place.

Reply to Your view - iPad Incident at playground on Thu, 26 Dec 2013 02:43:57 GMT

BeContented — Thu, 26 Dec 2013 02:43:57 GMT

limlim:
If P can seek compensation from Y, then Y can seek compensation from those playing with the ball.

In any case, Y cannot be held entirely responsible.

So, only after Y managed to obtain compensation from the players, will P be able to seek compensation from Y.

If the players cannot be made liable ,then Y cannot be liable.

It is basically P vs the players.

So.. any verdict for that incident?

Sorry leh, no verdict. Waited until sky turning dark still no verdict. But saw another lady appeared & tried to mediate but to no avail. Went closer & overheard the last lady telling them to write a report & submit to town council to get it settled.

Reply to Your view - iPad Incident at playground on Thu, 26 Dec 2013 02:40:16 GMT

kevkevkaf — Thu, 26 Dec 2013 02:40:16 GMT

what an utter waste of police resources.