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slmkhoo:

Even if the parents think they know more and can foresee the future better, it's best for the child to have the final say. Psychologically, they just feel better about it that way. When we were helping my daughter, what we did was to lay out all the pros and cons and foreseeable consequences of every choice, explain which we felt was a better choice overall, but told her that the final choice (once we discussed and whittled it down to 2) was hers. She went with our recommendation in the end, and we were happy when she told us that she trusted our judgement.
We feel the same way too. In the recent cca selection, DS was shortlisted for 2 sports and I was more than thrilled till he said he's more keen in UG. After laying down the facts, he finally decided to go by his interest so we let him be. We feel he can commit to it better because it's his choice. Unlike my DD who would happily go for 5 trainings a week, it would have been a torture even if trainings were to be thrice a week for him.

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sparks:
[quote] Kids who wants to DSA must really ask themselves if they have the passion or just wanting to be in a branded school.

but for children of that 'delicate' age, many times, parents will try to influence or decide the DSA school on their behalf, even though it's said to be up to the child...no? I am not optimistic that most will be matured enough to anticipate the consequences of their decisions. JMO[/quote]Learing to make their own decision and taking consequences is also a form of education. Anyway, how far wrong can things be? Are the average school that bad? I have seen many kids who DO know what they want at 13. They are really special, they have dreams and aspirations. There are not many but you see many of them in Specialised independent schools and they are very happy because they choose to be there.

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Mickey_04:
Dreamgear:



If your kid is keen, why are you not supportive? Its better that they do something they like....

My concern is will there be camps over weekends or too many other activities. Its good to hv cca but if they're too tired and affects their academic then its not ideal. Usually cca ends abt 6. By the time reach home abt 7 or later. And most of the time they hv homework. In a way, not much time with family. Their time spent in school is even longer than a working adult..Lol.

He is still gg for npcc. 😄

Well we can look at it from another angle thàt its better for them to be busy in school activities than hanging out at malls....

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sparks:
[quote] Kids who wants to DSA must really ask themselves if they have the passion or just wanting to be in a branded school.

but for children of that 'delicate' age, many times, parents will try to influence or decide the DSA school on their behalf, even though it's said to be up to the child...no? I am not optimistic that most will be matured enough to anticipate the consequences of their decisions. JMO[/quote]Even if the parents think they know more and can foresee the future better, it's best for the child to have the final say. Psychologically, they just feel better about it that way. When we were helping my daughter, what we did was to lay out all the pros and cons and foreseeable consequences of every choice, explain which we felt was a better choice overall, but told her that the final choice (once we discussed and whittled it down to 2) was hers. She went with our recommendation in the end, and we were happy when she told us that she trusted our judgement.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1203780https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1203780Thu, 30 Jan 2014 04:43:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Why Is The CCA Selection Process So Highly Result Driven? on Thu, 30 Jan 2014 04:39:09 GMT]]>

Dreamgear:


If your kid is keen, why are you not supportive? Its better that they do something they like....
My concern is will there be camps over weekends or too many other activities. Its good to hv cca but if they're too tired and affects their academic then its not ideal. Usually cca ends abt 6. By the time reach home abt 7 or later. And most of the time they hv homework. In a way, not much time with family. Their time spent in school is even longer than a working adult..Lol.

He is still gg for npcc. 😄

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1203776https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1203776Thu, 30 Jan 2014 04:39:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Why Is The CCA Selection Process So Highly Result Driven? on Thu, 30 Jan 2014 03:41:08 GMT]]>[quote] Kids who wants to DSA must really ask themselves if they have the passion or just wanting to be in a branded school. [/quote]
but for children of that 'delicate' age, many times, parents will try to influence or decide the DSA school on their behalf, even though it's said to be up to the child...no? I am not optimistic that most will be matured enough to anticipate the consequences of their decisions. JMO

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Mickey_04:
ProudOfMyKids,


Agree what you mentioned. I didn't know secondary cca selection is processed in this way now..Lol. For kids who enjoyed their cca of course its good but for those who is not, its a drag to stay on for 4 years.

My son was selected for npcc. I was not so keen cos basically i do not want too much extra activities (not sure if it will be). But, he is quite excited abt it. I asked if any of his classmates appeal to change he says no.

I feel schools should hv be flexi when come to cca. What good is it if the student's result is affected because of cca(staying beyond cca hrs, gg for competitions...)

Just my thoughts...
If your kid is keen, why are you not supportive? Its better that they do something they like....

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zeemimi:
sparks:

ds' good friend who dsa-ed thru water polo had told ds that he wasn't enjoying any of the trainings which is like 3x weekly now. He got no choice but stay put in the CCA. Secondary school life is part of the childhood that our children will remember. I think parents have a big part to play in the outcome too, not only the school & education system.


that's why i think one should consider carefully when dsa via sports or performing arts. unless the child has a passion for the activity, it is best not to dsa via sports / pa just to get into a good school or to secure a school before psle.

If one is so passionate about the sport, he will not mind training 3 times a week. Because of the love for his sport, he will learn to manage his time in order to cope with his studies. Kids who wants to DSA must really ask themselves if they have the passion or just wanting to be in a branded school. The best support for specialized CCA is still the specialised independent schools, Sports School and SOTA where a well-balance time schedule for both their CCA and studies is designed to support the needs of these talented kids.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1203557https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1203557Wed, 29 Jan 2014 17:10:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Why Is The CCA Selection Process So Highly Result Driven? on Wed, 29 Jan 2014 01:15:14 GMT]]>This issue was brought up in ds school recently about how impossible it was to get into sports ccas bcos they took in mostly dsa kids or had very few places (only for school team). What the teacher shared also made sense to me. For those new to the sport or perhaps not as skilled, the opportunities become very limited. They feel left out when the other kids represent school and go for competitions etc… after a while, they do drop out as there isn’t much fulfilment in training 2-3x a week for 4 years without any clear targets. It is quite exhausting too, physically.


I think I can understand that. While uniform groups may not be the first choice of many 12 year olds, over 4 years these ccas do provide a lot more opportunity for growth as leaders and more diverse achievements (badges etc) to aim for. I was in a uniform grp in sec sch too, and altho it wasn’t my first choice, we really had loads of fun by the end of 4 yrs. Of cos for those with talents in art / performing arts / science or maths / debate / language… there are many avenues for them too. Just my thoughts. As a parent with kids in competitive sports, we have seen many kids drop out over the years when both parents and kids find that they cant go far in the sport and feel it is a waste of time to train so many days a week at the expense of studies. Morale is also low for those who don’t get selected to represent school after all that effort. In pri school, it was fine to just quit (usually by Pri 5) but I am wondering where that leaves them if they quit after a year or two in sec school. There is a huge difference in enjoying a sport / game and training in it which I feel many kids don’t realise when they say they like the sport.

I am not against having more recreational sports ccas for sec school as I hugely believe in the value of sports and started all my kids on sports for health and discipline from young. DSA was never my target but when ds showed commitment to his sport in P6 (training 5x a week even up to July of his PSLE year), we took the opportunity to let him dsa as that allowed us to help him find a team that matched his talent level (not too high or low) in a school that could also stretch him academically but was not "beyond" him.

I do hope kids get more opportunities to just go out and play sports but just sharing a extra view from years of sitting at the sidelines and watching kids join and quit sports.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1202998https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1202998Wed, 29 Jan 2014 01:15:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Why Is The CCA Selection Process So Highly Result Driven? on Tue, 28 Jan 2014 23:56:20 GMT]]>ProudOfMyKids,


Agree what you mentioned. I didn’t know secondary cca selection is processed in this way now…Lol. For kids who enjoyed their cca of course its good but for those who is not, its a drag to stay on for 4 years.

My son was selected for npcc. I was not so keen cos basically i do not want too much extra activities (not sure if it will be). But, he is quite excited abt it. I asked if any of his classmates appeal to change he says no.

I feel schools should hv be flexi when come to cca. What good is it if the student’s result is affected because of cca(staying beyond cca hrs, gg for competitions…)

Just my thoughts…

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zeemimi:
clay569:


Some questions, pls help...

What if a child DSA via sports or performing arts but lost the passion some years down, are they not allowed to quit at all?

And if a child sustain certain injury that hampers his/her ability to continue in the sports DSAed in, will the child be 'dismissed' from the CCA and thus lose the CCA points?

DSA Sports commitment is at least 4 years.

DD's friend DSA sports but sustained injuries due to the sports and could not continue. However she stayed on with the Track team and did light training and supported the team morally in competition. Though she could not compete, she was not \"dismissed\" from the Track team.

Actually, it differs from school to school. I heard in a parent Q&A in one IP school that while the school expects moral commitment from the DSA student for the entire duration of the study there to the chosen CCA, the actual commitment is actually just for 2 years, thereafter the student is free to exercise other options. I was impressed that the school is so enlightened. Most schools say its either 4 years or 6, dependent on whether child is in O level or IP track. To me, it's best to have flexibility. Imagine the misery of being stuck in a CCA for a few years nursing some sports injury and unable to represent school or compete. Stuck forever as a backbencher, not exceling in your chosen sport, I would feel so sad.

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zeemimi:
clay569:


Some questions, pls help...

What if a child DSA via sports or performing arts but lost the passion some years down, are they not allowed to quit at all?

And if a child sustain certain injury that hampers his/her ability to continue in the sports DSAed in, will the child be 'dismissed' from the CCA and thus lose the CCA points?

DSA Sports commitment is at least 4 years.

DD's friend DSA sports but sustained injuries due to the sports and could not continue. However she stayed on with the Track team and did light training and supported the team morally in competition. Though she could not compete, she was not \"dismissed\" from the Track team.

Just to add on, in Dd Ip school, DSA commitment is 6 yrs. She loves

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mummyv:
clay


Since you are forward planning and DD is only in P4, you have 2 years to strategize if you want to use DSA. Since your DD's CCA is so often, the cohort will be v closely knit or v competitive. Observe
1. Seniors - how they DSAed and to which schools (previous batches and current batches). U can then suss out which school's environment is suitable for your DD based on her CCA and her own academic standing vs target school.
2. Coach - if the coach has any links to sec schools and are involved in the talent spotting for DSA sec school. However change in school appointed coach also happens.

Side note, some children's sporting abilities change with puberty. Pre-puberty they may be able to attain certain timings/results but post puberty, this could change. So this mars DC's sense of fulfillment as well.
Good advice, mummyv! Thanks. Good to gather the info first then see when time comes if she's still keen to pursue it at sec Sch.

Eh..I'm not fwd planning, I'm actually learning by mistake. I didn't find out much abt dsa and thus didn't plan ahead for my elder. He's now in sec. 🙂

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Since you are forward planning and DD is only in P4, you have 2 years to strategize if you want to use DSA. Since your DD’s CCA is so often, the cohort will be v closely knit or v competitive. Observe
1. Seniors - how they DSAed and to which schools (previous batches and current batches). U can then suss out which school’s environment is suitable for your DD based on her CCA and her own academic standing vs target school.
2. Coach - if the coach has any links to sec schools and are involved in the talent spotting for DSA sec school. However change in school appointed coach also happens.

Side note, some children’s sporting abilities change with puberty. Pre-puberty they may be able to attain certain timings/results but post puberty, this could change. So this mars DC’s sense of fulfillment as well.

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zeemimi:


DSA Sports commitment is at least 4 years.

DD's friend DSA sports but sustained injuries due to the sports and could not continue. However she stayed on with the Track team and did light training and supported the team morally in competition. Though she could not compete, she was not \"dismissed\" from the Track team.
I see...thanks for sharing 🙂

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clay569:

Some questions, pls help...

What if a child DSA via sports or performing arts but lost the passion some years down, are they not allowed to quit at all?

And if a child sustain certain injury that hampers his/her ability to continue in the sports DSAed in, will the child be 'dismissed' from the CCA and thus lose the CCA points?
DSA Sports commitment is at least 4 years.

DD's friend DSA sports but sustained injuries due to the sports and could not continue. However she stayed on with the Track team and did light training and supported the team morally in competition. Though she could not compete, she was not \"dismissed\" from the Track team.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1198152https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1198152Wed, 22 Jan 2014 04:00:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Why Is The CCA Selection Process So Highly Result Driven? on Wed, 22 Jan 2014 03:16:19 GMT]]>Hi mummyv, MMM, thanks for the replies.


DD is only P4 😉 she's been very heavily involved in training (5x a week) for the past 2 years. She's very passionate about it and would want to go for more training if I were to permit. My main concern is if she were to try DSA via this CCA, she would have to put in similar time commitment with the CCA and manage a heavier sch workload. Just thinking about the what-ifs and thinking if I should support or discourage to try DSA. Thanks for the advice. Would need them when the time comes 🙂

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1198117https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1198117Wed, 22 Jan 2014 03:16:19 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Why Is The CCA Selection Process So Highly Result Driven? on Wed, 22 Jan 2014 03:16:13 GMT]]>A lot failed to realise that sports in secondary schools in much less about talent and more about talent plus hardwork.

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clay569:
Some questions, pls help...


What if a child DSA via sports or performing arts but lost the passion some years down, are they not allowed to quit at all?
Yes the child has to stay in the same cca for the 4 years. This was clearly indicated in the offer letter. Maybe they can change instrument but they still must stay in the same cca.

We do hear of someone who appealed to a IP school using CO. Appeal is very much like DSA in terms of commitment. Subsequently, she didn't enjoy the cca in the new school but she had to hang on to it. I suppose it also teaches values such as commitment and perseverance. I've come across dd's primary cca mates, they wanted to join another cca in sec school. Something different. For this group of kids, they didn't choose to DSA. So it all voice down to the child and knowing what they want.

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clay569:


Some questions, pls help...

What if a child DSA via sports or performing arts but lost the passion some years down, are they not allowed to quit at all?

And if a child sustain certain injury that hampers his/her ability to continue in the sports DSAed in, will the child be 'dismissed' from the CCA and thus lose the CCA points?
hi clay569

Best thing you could do is attend the target schools open house and ask these questions. Different schools have different cultures. You can gauge by speaking to seniors who DSAed in and attending the open house. I know of students who DSAed in and dropped out due to injury or lack of interest and schools still keep them. I hv oso heard of students who win medals but are asked to leave after repeating a year becos their results cmi. At P6, DC would already have a taste of CCA commitment (8-10 hrs practice weekly), mine refused point blank to continue w the same CCA for sec school becos she wants to try something else. CCA points notwithstanding, let DC share in this decision as ultimately DC is the one undergoing the training.

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zeemimi:
sparks:

ds' good friend who dsa-ed thru water polo had told ds that he wasn't enjoying any of the trainings which is like 3x weekly now. He got no choice but stay put in the CCA. Secondary school life is part of the childhood that our children will remember. I think parents have a big part to play in the outcome too, not only the school & education system.


that's why i think one should consider carefully when dsa via sports or performing arts. unless the child has a passion for the activity, it is best not to dsa via sports / pa just to get into a good school or to secure a school before psle.

Some questions, pls help...

What if a child DSA via sports or performing arts but lost the passion some years down, are they not allowed to quit at all?

And if a child sustain certain injury that hampers his/her ability to continue in the sports DSAed in, will the child be 'dismissed' from the CCA and thus lose the CCA points?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1198063https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1198063Wed, 22 Jan 2014 02:26:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Why Is The CCA Selection Process So Highly Result Driven? on Wed, 22 Jan 2014 02:09:50 GMT]]>

zeemimi:
sparks:

ds' good friend who dsa-ed thru water polo had told ds that he wasn't enjoying any of the trainings which is like 3x weekly now. He got no choice but stay put in the CCA. Secondary school life is part of the childhood that our children will remember. I think parents have a big part to play in the outcome too, not only the school & education system.


that's why i think one should consider carefully when dsa via sports or performing arts. unless the child has a passion for the activity, it is best not to dsa via sports / pa just to get into a good school or to secure a school before psle.


The DSA is different; when one chooses the DSA route, one has exercised his/her choice. And Yes, one needs to consider it very carefully. I can understand the schools requiring absolute commitment as a DSA entry denies another student the opportunity of an entry to the schools. Well, kids' interests do change over time, though I suspect that to get DSA entry say through any particular sport or performing arts, one must be pretty good at it, and has spent enough time on it to enjoy it. Sometimes, it can also be the company because my son particularly enjoys those CCAs that his friends are in. I remember one year his soccer CCA had 9 from the same class! Of course, building friendships takes time.

I want to share something with everyone which I have heard though not confirmed. This applies to those who DSAed through sports into top tier schools, and more often than not, with t-scores quite a bit below the official COP. So, it can be quite a uphill task keeping up with the rigorous academic program while juggling your CCA commitments at the same time.

I understand that the age qualifications for the C Division, B Division, and A Division to be Under-14, Under-17, Under-19. Those who are struggling to meet the academic requirements, and I mean not doing as well but not failing, may be recommended to repeat the year at Secondary 3, to strengthen their foundation, before progressing to O Levels. I am not sure how this works at pure IP schools without the O Level track.

However, the reasons for this can be 2-fold; (1) the fear that these kids will jeopardize the overall results and reputation of the schools if they don't do well at the O Levels, and (2) as the B Division age qualification is 17 years old, it means that these kids can contribute an additional year towards the medal haul and accolades of the schools. Though to some or even many of these kids, the enjoyment of their sport overrides whatever academic issues, so not an issue to them.

Whether this makes sense or not is debatable. One could argue the schools themselves are in the best positions to judge. Others may argue that repeating a year when not doing as well as the cohort is not a valid enough reason, when passing the O Level is not a problem, perhaps just not as well as the school's expectations.

How true, I am not sure. But parents who are thinking of putting their kids through the DSA route, especially to top tier schools, should verify and make an informed choice. 4 years into a CCA one grew to dislike is not the only pain. The other is a 4-yr express program becoming 5 years.

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Dreamgear:

Which school is your ds in?

Dreamgear,

My son studies at acps.

The school has an approach very different from many others.

He enjoys school very much, so much so that he misses his friends over the holidays!

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1198008https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1198008Wed, 22 Jan 2014 01:28:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Why Is The CCA Selection Process So Highly Result Driven? on Tue, 21 Jan 2014 08:35:57 GMT]]>Maybe it’s too early to tell? Or diff school has diff practice?


dd DSA via performing arts. She was happy that she didn’t have to audition for ccas as it seems quite competitive to land what you want especially if the cca is popular. Yes, she just started sec 1 so maybe it’s not the best gauge but her cca commitment also don’t appear to be more than the other students in the same cca. Well, yes she has started her cca (the rest who didn’t dsa will probably start only in feb as they are still conducting the auditions and shortlist). But due to lack of instruments, she has not been doing much. So she has been pretty bored as she would prefer playing the instrument, etc… School is also doing away with saturday cca.

We also observed alot of her pri pals ended up joining performing arts again (same cca) in sec school as they really had a good experience. But it appear that her cca commitment isn’t any much more than her classmates/ pri pals who went to other schools.

At this moment, we feel that there is not much difference whether she DSAed or not. In fact, we thought it’s good she did so she can continue with her favorite cca without having to "compete" for a cca. But yes, she heard of those sports dsa who already joined the school for training in December.

But maybe her performing arts cca in pri school was rather intense. During Dec school hols, they were going back at least 4-5 days a week to prepare for this competition and that event. So it’s like nothing new.

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