COP and mean score

Reply to COP and mean score on Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:48:16 GMT

westmom — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:48:16 GMT

JonC:

Just tell them either,
1. They do not work hard (or do not suffer) now (shorter years), they will have high chance of \"suffering\" in the future (longer years).
2. They work hard (suffer) now (shorter years), they will have higher chance of \"not suffering\" in the future (longer years).

Haha..this is exactly what I told my dd when I saw she was becoming lazy in her schoolwork/revision. I asked her to choose:
a) 20 yrs suffering life (studying hard) followed by 40 yrs good life
or
b) 20 yrs good life (not studying) followed by 40 yrs of suffering life

She thought for a while and wisely chose (a) and showed more \"motivation\" afterwards!

Reply to COP and mean score on Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:45:54 GMT

JonC — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:45:54 GMT

@tutormum

Thanks.

@heutistmeintag
no pain, no gain, good one. :lol:

Some girls themselves may get distracted as they grow.

Just tell them either,
1. They do not work hard (or do not suffer) now (shorter years), they will have high chance of \"suffering\" in the future (longer years).
2. They work hard (suffer) now (shorter years), they will have higher chance of \"not suffering\" in the future (longer years).

Reply to COP and mean score on Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:49:59 GMT

heutistmeintag — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:49:59 GMT

JonC:
Well, you know your own kids well.

To put them into a school where your kids score is at the bottom of that school, it depends if you know if your child has potential / room to further improve.

In general, boys tends to improve / catch up with the girls over the years as they mature. Girls will move a little and kind of stop, some worst, drops. So in the end, both sexes will level up at some point.

If you think you kid is at the max of his potential at P6 result, going to a school at the lower percentile, he will stuck at the lower percentile and affect his self esteem. So mean T should be seriously considered.

If you think your kid is far from his full potential, going to a good school at its COP will push him to his max potential.

Good students go to whatever school will remain good if they are not influenced by bad environment. Average or below average pupils tends to be affect by the environment easily.

Well, you can disagree with my 2 cents worth. But if you have been to good school, you will know the difference.

Well, that was a very logical approach but I kinda suspect there are alot of emotional considerations too. :lol:

I fully agree with your last point. I was in the last class of VS in s1 and s2 but pulled up my socks and went to the top class in s3 and s4. For my DD, I believe she has yet to max out and would like to provide the stimulus to her by sending her to a good school. However, that's only my belief that she will cope and what I experienced years back in sec school may not be applicable now.

I have a niece in Crescent Girls and she told us have to work very very hard. My wife is concerned with the pressures my DD has to face and it doesnt help with some of the recent suicide reports. That's why I am looking at the mean T-score for an indication of the standards of the cohort.

So the story I am pitching to my DD is that given $248 to invest, she should try to maximize by investing as much as she could afford. However, she must also be aware of the risks (& pressures) associated with the investment. It could well turn out to be a painful process but no pain, no gain!

Reply to COP and mean score on Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:38:45 GMT

tutormum — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:38:45 GMT

JonC:
Well, you know your own kids well.

To put them into a school where your kids score is at the bottom of that school, it depends if you know if your child has potential / room to further improve.

In general, boys tends to improve / catch up with the girls over the years as they mature. Girls will move a little and kind of stop, some worst, drops. So in the end, both sexes will level up at some point.

If you think you kid is at the max of his potential at P6 result, going to a school at the lower percentile, he will stuck at the lower percentile and affect his self esteem. So mean T should be seriously considered.

If you think your kid is far from his full potential, going to a good school at its COP will push him to his max potential.

Good students go to whatever school will remain good if they are not influenced by bad environment. Average or below average pupils tends to be affect by the environment easily.

Well, you can disagree with my 2 cents worth. But if you have been to good school, you will know the difference.

:goodpost:

Reply to COP and mean score on Sun, 29 Nov 2009 01:28:31 GMT

JonC — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 01:28:31 GMT

Well, you know your own kids well.

To put them into a school where your kids score is at the bottom of that school, it depends if you know if your child has potential / room to further improve.

In general, boys tends to improve / catch up with the girls over the years as they mature. Girls will move a little and kind of stop, some worst, drops. So in the end, both sexes will level up at some point.

If you think you kid is at the max of his potential at P6 result, going to a school at the lower percentile, he will stuck at the lower percentile and affect his self esteem. So mean T should be seriously considered.

If you think your kid is far from his full potential, going to a good school at its COP will push him to his max potential.

Good students go to whatever school will remain good if they are not influenced by bad environment. Average or below average pupils tends to be affect by the environment easily.

Well, you can disagree with my 2 cents worth. But if you have been to good school, you will know the difference.

Reply to COP and mean score on Sun, 29 Nov 2009 00:45:40 GMT

ooptimizer — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 00:45:40 GMT

Some parents may think differently - they may think that if the child mixes with higher ability students, it may push them to perform better.

My own opinion is to give a +/- 10 points to the T-score, ie. if the child scores say 200, his actual score is around 190 to 210.

I’ve seen some students with high T score slack off in secondary school, while other students with low T score start to shine and overtake other students from secondary school onwards.

Reply to COP and mean score on Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:56:56 GMT

millan — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:56:56 GMT

heutistmeintag:
I noticed that alot of parents (including me at some point in time) are discussing about COP and not looking at the mean T-score. Are you prepared to \"push\" your child through even though they could potentially end up in the lowest percentile and risk losing their esteem/confidence? Or am I missing some logic here?

Ya, I am also wondering... But it seems that there are alot of cases that they can appeal thru, and some with affiliated ones are coming with lower COP, so they try lor..