Schools closing door on parent volunteer scheme

Reply to Schools closing door on parent volunteer scheme on Thu, 26 Jun 2014 08:21:11 GMT

phtthp — Thu, 26 Jun 2014 08:21:11 GMT

3Boys:
Excellent, something I have been writing strongly for a loooong time.

Next step, dismantle alumni priority, or at least curtail it significantly.

This year already start to curtail Phase 2A.

Some hot schools will be squeezing out forty 2A folks.
Next time if number increase beyond 40, more will get squeezed further

The 2A who come out from hot schools :
look for neighborhood schools < 1 km nearby, to enrol child under 2C.

In very popular schools
- only 2A1 < 1 km still safe.

- 2A1 > 2 km not safe :
may ballot if 2A2 folks pay alumni fees, dash forward to join Phase 2A1.

Todate : Nanyang primary alumni fees most expensive : $1000, followed by ACS primary $ 500.
Most other schools below $200.

In the past, people used to think that \"can use $ to buy peace of mind, to get into 2A1 \".
But for 2A1 > 2 km : now, no longer valid.
If many 2A2 pay fees to join 2A1 : 2A1 > 1 km will ballot, one day.
Once enter balloting : peace of mind gone !

2A1 > 1 km worry that more and more 2A2 move up to join 2A1, causing 2A1 > 2 km to ballot.

- 2A2 < 1 km (ex-students) no longer safe :
worry that 2A1 may ballot : leaving them zero chance, to enrol.
So, 2A2 dare not remain in 2A2 anymore.
Better move up into 2A1

Reply to Schools closing door on parent volunteer scheme on Thu, 26 Jun 2014 05:38:49 GMT

3Boys — Thu, 26 Jun 2014 05:38:49 GMT

Excellent, something I have been writing strongly for a loooong time.

Next step, dismantle alumni priority, or at least curtail it significantly.

Reply to Schools closing door on parent volunteer scheme on Fri, 20 Jun 2014 05:25:56 GMT

janet88 — Fri, 20 Jun 2014 05:25:56 GMT

JJ1111:
janet_lee88:

When the child's parents become citizen is crucial?
sometimes only one spouse converts to SC for the sake of enjoying baby bonus and p1 registration.
If SC are the the ones who enjoy priority, PRs should not be allowed to have priority from phase 1-2A.

P1 registration starts July 3.
The child has to be SINGAPOREAN too in order to enjoy all this benefit.

That is necessary of course. Singaporeans cannot hold dual citizenship right? :?

Reply to Schools closing door on parent volunteer scheme on Fri, 20 Jun 2014 05:07:19 GMT

pirate — Fri, 20 Jun 2014 05:07:19 GMT

JJ1111:

The child has to be SINGAPOREAN too in order to enjoy all this benefit.

This is no big deal, really. Children can have dual or even triple citizenship until they turn 21 here.

Reply to Schools closing door on parent volunteer scheme on Fri, 20 Jun 2014 03:05:12 GMT

CloudeeDaz — Fri, 20 Jun 2014 03:05:12 GMT

JJ1111:
floppy:

a system that tries to satisfy everyone, satisfies no one.
Agreed. :goodpost:

ditto....

Reply to Schools closing door on parent volunteer scheme on Fri, 20 Jun 2014 02:43:02 GMT

JJ1111 — Fri, 20 Jun 2014 02:43:02 GMT

floppy:

a system that tries to satisfy everyone, satisfies no one.

Agreed. :goodpost:

Reply to Schools closing door on parent volunteer scheme on Fri, 20 Jun 2014 02:36:37 GMT

JJ1111 — Fri, 20 Jun 2014 02:36:37 GMT

janet_lee88:

When the child's parents become citizen is crucial?
sometimes only one spouse converts to SC for the sake of enjoying baby bonus and p1 registration.
If SC are the the ones who enjoy priority, PRs should not be allowed to have priority from phase 1-2A.

P1 registration starts July 3.

The child has to be SINGAPOREAN too in order to enjoy all this benefit.

Reply to Schools closing door on parent volunteer scheme on Fri, 20 Jun 2014 02:21:30 GMT

janet88 — Fri, 20 Jun 2014 02:21:30 GMT

floppy:
ChiefKiasu:

There are just too many parameters, which seem to be ordered in the following priority (in decreasing order):
1) Siblings
2) Alumni
3) Community volunteers: PV, Clan, RCs
4) Citizenship
5) Distance
Judging by the latest comments, MOE should further breakdown 4) Citizenship into:
1. When the child become a citizen
And assuming a tie (same year):
2. When the child's parents become a citizen
3. When the child's grand parents become a citizen (could be many tie since citizenship happens at 1965)
4. When the child's grand parents/great grand parents move to Singapore... and so on.

When the child's parents become citizen is crucial?
sometimes only one spouse converts to SC for the sake of enjoying baby bonus and p1 registration.
If SC are the the ones who enjoy priority, PRs should not be allowed to have priority from phase 1-2A.

P1 registration starts July 3.

Reply to Schools closing door on parent volunteer scheme on Fri, 20 Jun 2014 00:59:53 GMT

hquek — Fri, 20 Jun 2014 00:59:53 GMT

floppy:
ChiefKiasu:

There are just too many parameters, which seem to be ordered in the following priority (in decreasing order):
1) Siblings
2) Alumni
3) Community volunteers: PV, Clan, RCs
4) Citizenship
5) Distance
Judging by the latest comments, MOE should further breakdown 4) Citizenship into:
1. When the child become a citizen
And assuming a tie (same year):
2. When the child's parents become a citizen
3. When the child's grand parents become a citizen (could be many tie since citizenship happens at 1965)
4. When the child's grand parents/great grand parents move to Singapore... and so on.

While we are at it, we should look into how to further breakdown the other categories into various sub-points and sub-sub points.

Umm, you forgot the bit about moving all the popular schools to somewhere ulu/unpopular, maybe like Pulau Ubin, this will help drive up property prices evenly across Singapore. :siam:

floppy:
I wholeheartedly agrees that a system that tries to satisfy everyone, satisfies no one.

kee chiu! People will always game the system to max advantage to oneself. I am still trying to stop 'huhing' on the points people make to gain priority for couples to stay near their parents (that's another story).

Reply to Schools closing door on parent volunteer scheme on Thu, 19 Jun 2014 22:27:50 GMT

floppy — Thu, 19 Jun 2014 22:27:50 GMT

ChiefKiasu:

There are just too many parameters, which seem to be ordered in the following priority (in decreasing order):
1) Siblings
2) Alumni
3) Community volunteers: PV, Clan, RCs
4) Citizenship
5) Distance

Judging by the latest comments, MOE should further breakdown 4) Citizenship into:
1. When the child become a citizen
And assuming a tie (same year):
2. When the child's parents become a citizen
3. When the child's grand parents become a citizen (could be many tie since citizenship happens at 1965)
4. When the child's grand parents/great grand parents move to Singapore... and so on.

While we are at it, we should look into how to further breakdown the other categories into various sub-points and sub-sub points.

I wholeheartedly agrees that a system that tries to satisfy everyone, satisfies no one.

Reply to Schools closing door on parent volunteer scheme on Wed, 18 Jun 2014 12:15:10 GMT

EthanEthan — Wed, 18 Jun 2014 12:15:10 GMT

Fried chicken:
EthanEthan:
[quote=\"Sun_2010\"]
The logic behind the Phase1 remains the same irrespective of why the citizenship.

Anyway given that SC first is in place since a 2-3 yrs, this number is reducing and in another 3 years the number of seats taken by PRs would be minimal. (not many with kids 6 years apart)

And yes , as mentioned by others , even after that the number of seats available will far far less than all the SC kids that register at top schools. Then what??

SC first policy is not applicable in phase 1 and phase2

SC first is applicable in every phase after phase 1, including 2A. The only reason it hasn't come into play yet is because thus far 2A hasn't seen balloting. Everyone who applies via 2A1 and 2A2 has gotten in. But if there is a need to ballot, then the SC first rule applies.[/quote]Precisely. the rule did not apply because there were no quotas set all these years in these phases. So the fact that SC have priority in these phases is mute as places allocated to PR in these phases takes away seats from the later phases for Singapore citizens

Reply to Schools closing door on parent volunteer scheme on Wed, 18 Jun 2014 11:39:03 GMT

Funz — Wed, 18 Jun 2014 11:39:03 GMT

I guess what they are saying is PRs should not even be eligible for the earlier phases at all. Their eligibility starts from phase 2C. Better still phase 3.

Reply to Schools closing door on parent volunteer scheme on Wed, 18 Jun 2014 11:28:03 GMT

Fried chicken — Wed, 18 Jun 2014 11:28:03 GMT

EthanEthan:
Sun_2010:
[quote=\"EthanEthan\"]

Yes. I agree with you on this. PR children do take quite a number of seats in Phase 1A and 2A. MOE should release these seats and give them to Singapore Citizens only.
The logic behind the Phase1 remains the same irrespective of why the citizenship.

Anyway given that SC first is in place since a 2-3 yrs, this number is reducing and in another 3 years the number of seats taken by PRs would be minimal. (not many with kids 6 years apart)

And yes , as mentioned by others , even after that the number of seats available will far far less than all the SC kids that register at top schools. Then what??

SC first policy is not applicable in phase 1 and phase2[/quote]SC first is applicable in every phase after phase 1, including 2A. The only reason it hasn't come into play yet is because thus far 2A hasn't seen balloting. Everyone who applies via 2A1 and 2A2 has gotten in. But if there is a need to ballot, then the SC first rule applies.

Reply to Schools closing door on parent volunteer scheme on Wed, 18 Jun 2014 10:50:53 GMT

EthanEthan — Wed, 18 Jun 2014 10:50:53 GMT

Funz:
And after PRs are flushed out and there is still not enough vacancies for Singaporeans in Phase 2C in popular schools? Exclude kids who are new citizens? Still not enough, then gotta see if parents themselves were citizens since when?

Lets just take one step at a time....no need to see so far into the future. First give priority to only Singaporeans in all phases including phase 1 and 2.

MOE is not revealing the number of PRs eligible for Phase 1A and Phase 2. I suspect it may be quite substantial

Reply to Schools closing door on parent volunteer scheme on Wed, 18 Jun 2014 10:47:53 GMT

EthanEthan — Wed, 18 Jun 2014 10:47:53 GMT

JJ1111:
How can PR take up Phrase 1A and 2A unless they got sibling study there right? If they got sibling study there, than I feel it is unfair to take them out just because they are PR.

In phase 2A, if the PR had studied in that school before or as a alumni or have a child that HAD studied in that school, they are eligible.

Reply to Schools closing door on parent volunteer scheme on Wed, 18 Jun 2014 10:46:06 GMT

EthanEthan — Wed, 18 Jun 2014 10:46:06 GMT

Sun_2010:
EthanEthan:
[quote=\"phtthp\"]

There is another group of people, hiding inside (Phase 1 + Phase 2A), quietly.
These are the PR children.

They are the ones that MOE should make them all come out -
give up their seats, to deserving Phase 2C Singapore citizen children.

Remember -
Every single seat is very precious, ESP. During balloting
Take back one seat from PR, to give back to a deserving SC child under Phase 2C : also good.

Currently, this so called slogan \"give SC priority first \" -
Is not true - in Phase 1, Phase 2A1 and 2A2.

If 20 seats still insufficient for Phase 2C SC -
High time for MOE to announce the next change (preferably next year P1 intake) -
Get all the PR kids out, from Top primary schools.
PR to Go & convert into SC : if you want to continue enjoy this P1 registration privilege.

.
Yes. I agree with you on this. PR children do take quite a number of seats in Phase 1A and 2A. MOE should release these seats and give them to Singapore Citizens only.

The logic behind the Phase1 remains the same irrespective of why the citizenship.

Anyway given that SC first is in place since a 2-3 yrs, this number is reducing and in another 3 years the number of seats taken by PRs would be minimal. (not many with kids 6 years apart)

And yes , as mentioned by others , even after that the number of seats available will far far less than all the SC kids that register at top schools. Then what??[/quote]
SC first policy is not applicable in phase 1 and phase2

Reply to Schools closing door on parent volunteer scheme on Wed, 18 Jun 2014 08:33:29 GMT

Sun_2010 — Wed, 18 Jun 2014 08:33:29 GMT

EthanEthan:
phtthp:

There is another group of people, hiding inside (Phase 1 + Phase 2A), quietly.
These are the PR children.

They are the ones that MOE should make them all come out -
give up their seats, to deserving Phase 2C Singapore citizen children.

Remember -
Every single seat is very precious, ESP. During balloting
Take back one seat from PR, to give back to a deserving SC child under Phase 2C : also good.

Currently, this so called slogan \"give SC priority first \" -
Is not true - in Phase 1, Phase 2A1 and 2A2.

If 20 seats still insufficient for Phase 2C SC -
High time for MOE to announce the next change (preferably next year P1 intake) -
Get all the PR kids out, from Top primary schools.
PR to Go & convert into SC : if you want to continue enjoy this P1 registration privilege.

.
Yes. I agree with you on this. PR children do take quite a number of seats in Phase 1A and 2A. MOE should release these seats and give them to Singapore Citizens only.

Reply to Schools closing door on parent volunteer scheme on Wed, 18 Jun 2014 08:24:45 GMT

12mum — Wed, 18 Jun 2014 08:24:45 GMT

[Phtthp

There is another group of people, hiding inside (Phase 1 + Phase 2A), quietly.
These are the PR children.

They are the ones that MOE should make them all come out -
give up their seats, to deserving Phase 2C Singapore citizen children.

Remember -
Every single seat is very precious, ESP. During balloting
Take back one seat from PR, to give back to a deserving SC child under Phase 2C : also good.

Currently, this so called slogan \"give SC priority first \" -
Is not true - in Phase 1, Phase 2A1 and 2A2.

If 20 seats still insufficient for Phase 2C SC -
High time for MOE to announce the next change (preferably next year P1 intake) -
Get all the PR kids out, from Top primary schools.
PR to Go & convert into SC : if you want to continue enjoy this P1 registration privilege.]

[EthanEthan]

Yes. I agree with you on this. PR children do take quite a number of seats in Phase 1A and 2A. MOE should release these seats and give them to Singapore Citizens only.

\"......................................................................................................\"

If really want to go down this road, I believe only the natives of Singapore deserve to have priority over anyone else.

Reply to Schools closing door on parent volunteer scheme on Wed, 18 Jun 2014 07:57:25 GMT

rains — Wed, 18 Jun 2014 07:57:25 GMT

Funz:
And after PRs are flushed out and there is still not enough vacancies for Singaporeans in Phase 2C in popular schools? Exclude kids who are new citizens? Still not enough, then gotta see if parents themselves were citizens since when?

This is funny.

If both are Singaporeans since birth, then must see when the grandparents became citizens since most grandparents here were from China.

Reply to Schools closing door on parent volunteer scheme on Wed, 18 Jun 2014 06:03:19 GMT

JJ1111 — Wed, 18 Jun 2014 06:03:19 GMT

How can PR take up Phrase 1A and 2A unless they got sibling study there right? If they got sibling study there, than I feel it is unfair to take them out just because they are PR.

Reply to Schools closing door on parent volunteer scheme on Wed, 18 Jun 2014 05:19:02 GMT

Funz — Wed, 18 Jun 2014 05:19:02 GMT

And after PRs are flushed out and there is still not enough vacancies for Singaporeans in Phase 2C in popular schools? Exclude kids who are new citizens? Still not enough, then gotta see if parents themselves were citizens since when?

Reply to Schools closing door on parent volunteer scheme on Wed, 18 Jun 2014 01:55:38 GMT

EthanEthan — Wed, 18 Jun 2014 01:55:38 GMT

phtthp:

There is another group of people, hiding inside (Phase 1 + Phase 2A), quietly.
These are the PR children.

They are the ones that MOE should make them all come out -
give up their seats, to deserving Phase 2C Singapore citizen children.

Remember -
Every single seat is very precious, ESP. During balloting
Take back one seat from PR, to give back to a deserving SC child under Phase 2C : also good.

Currently, this so called slogan \"give SC priority first \" -
Is not true - in Phase 1, Phase 2A1 and 2A2.

If 20 seats still insufficient for Phase 2C SC -
High time for MOE to announce the next change (preferably next year P1 intake) -
Get all the PR kids out, from Top primary schools.
PR to Go & convert into SC : if you want to continue enjoy this P1 registration privilege.

.

Yes. I agree with you on this. PR children do take quite a number of seats in Phase 1A and 2A. MOE should release these seats and give them to Singapore Citizens only.

Reply to Schools closing door on parent volunteer scheme on Wed, 18 Jun 2014 01:38:58 GMT

littleprince — Wed, 18 Jun 2014 01:38:58 GMT

"[/quote]

At the risk of sounding like a personal attack, haven’t you got a ksparents forum friend who pved in 3 schools so that he had the luxury of choosing among these 3 schools? Funny how he attacked the alumni phase on how the alumni deprive the kids who live nearby a place. He alone took up 3 places and deprived at least 3 kids who lived nearby a place.

My friend was advised by her friend to tell the school that she is a stay-at-home mother bcos "they don’t want you if your working hours are the same as theirs."[/quote]

This would mean the 2 parents are deprived of their chance to volunteer. Nowadays, getting selected to be PV is already like striking lottery, not everyone gets a chance even if they want to