<![CDATA[1 more ballot chance during 2010 P1 registration for citizen]]>From tonight's TV news.


Good or no diff?

Edit: Add link http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1025957/1/.html
[quote]Greater chance for S'pore citizens to secure place at popular primary schools
By Hoe Yeen Nie, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 20 December 2009 1413 hrs

SINGAPORE: From next year, Singapore citizens will have a greater chance of getting their child into the primary school of their choice.

The Ministry of Education (MOE) is tweaking the Primary One registration exercise to allow pink identity card holders an additional ballot during the balloting exercise for popular schools, where applications outstrip vacancies.

Currently, permanent residents (PRs) and citizens both get one ballot slip each. Foreigners will not be affected by the change, as they may only apply for a school under Phase 3 of the registration exercise, after Singaporeans and PRs have secured places.

The MOE said on Sunday that giving citizens two chances at the ballot \"will provide for diversity in our schools, while simultaneously according Singapore citizens an additional privilege.\"

It added that the move is in line with the government's intention to \"over time, sharpen the differentiation between Singapore citizens, PRs and foreigners to reflect the responsibilities and privileges of citizenship\" as highlighted by Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong at a speech in September.

Announcing the change at a residents dialogue, Education Minister Ng Eng Hen however said: \"I don't want this to come across as against PRs. We still want PRs in our schools, and it doesn't mean that for all our policies, we're always going to be able to say that Singaporeans get two chances compared to the one chance for the PR. That's not the general message.\"

PRs make up about 8 per cent of students in schools, while foreigners account for about 4 per cent. These relate to the population in primary and secondary schools, as well as JCs and centralised institute.

While the proportion has been consistent over the past few years, the growing presence of new immigrants has nonetheless raised some concerns among Singaporeans.

Dr Ng said: \"I know that over the years, Singaporeans have said, 'look, we already have to ballot to get our children into the schools, and we live near. Even with the priority schemes, we still find it hard to get our children into the schools'. What about the issue of Permanent Residents and foreign students?\"

But he noted the government has to strike a \"delicate balance\" between the two.

\"We do want, also, PRs to have some privilege of entering our schools, because PRs become citizens as well. And if you don't allow their children to enter the good schools, they might not want to take up PR-ship or become citizens later on,\" said Dr Ng.

Speaking at a separate event, Minister in the Prime Minister's Office Lim Hwee Hua hoped that the move \"sends the message that citizens will always be the primary focus of government policies\".

On how the government would explain this policy to non-citizens, she said: \"I think the explanation will really revolve around the relative importance of citizens to any country versus permanent residents, and versus non-citizens and non-residents.

\"And that the distinction is seen not just in this case, but also in the way we differentiate between healthcare costs and so on. That necessarily would have to be the way we run our policies.\"

While the change was welcomed by most, parents are still realistic. Jasmine Liang, a parent, said: \"In the end, it's still balloting. So in the end, it's still by luck, whether (your child) really can get in (or not).\"

Dr Ng added that having PRs and international students in schools has its advantages, as they add diversity to the schools and can expose young Singaporeans to competition at an early age.

Some parents, like Candy Yoo, agreed. \"Like my girl, she likes to make friends with people from China. They like to read books that are very difficult, but they're willing to try. So, my girl sees that 'why they can do it, I can't? I have to learn from them'.\"

The government has in recent years introduced big changes to the education landscape. This invariably means that the costs of schooling will go up. So who will foot the bill?

The minister said that while non-citizens will still get subsidies, they will have to foot the bulk of the costs. Hence, non-citizens will see their school fees go up.

To minimise the impact on existing students, the increase in monthly fees, which include both school and miscellaneous fees, will be spread over two years from 2011.

PRs currently pay between S$14.50 and S$29 a month, depending on the level of education. By 2012, these will go up by nearly four times to range from S$51 to S$102 a month.

Foreigners, who now pay between S$131 and S$372 a month, will soon pay double. They will be charged between S$246 and S$772 a month. Students from non-ASEAN countries, who now pay more than ASEAN students, will also see a bigger increase.

Citizens will see no change, for now. Monthly fees for Singapore citizens will remain at the current rate of between S$11 and S$28.

But some Singaporeans felt the hike for non-citizens was too much. Denis Chow, a parent, said: \"If you talk about another 20, 50 percent more, or even double, I think it's still reasonable. But to quadruple, it's a bit hard to stomach.

\"To me, if they actually made the choice to come to Singapore to study and stay in Singapore, leaving their own countries and families behind, I think as a basic right, so to speak, we should give them the same kind of fees as Singapore citizens.\"

But MOE said that even after the hikes, fees are still competitive compared to international and private schools.

- CNA/yb/ir[/quote]

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/topic/7678/1-more-ballot-chance-during-2010-p1-registration-for-citizenRSS for NodeSun, 19 Apr 2026 09:59:34 GMTSun, 20 Dec 2009 15:08:34 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to 1 more ballot chance during 2010 P1 registration for citizen on Tue, 05 Jul 2011 01:32:35 GMT]]>I was in the school to witness the balloting last year. Two pairs of twins & each pair has two balloting slips since they are sporean. If one slip is drawn, the pair of twins are in. Most parents would rather have one slip for their twins so that they can be in the same school.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/469995https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/469995Tue, 05 Jul 2011 01:32:35 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 1 more ballot chance during 2010 P1 registration for citizen on Tue, 28 Jun 2011 23:11:02 GMT]]>

lims:
Hi all mummies was wondering how to confirm that you have two slips ? Unless they are ppl there monitoring the whole process ....am I rite?

All parents who are present for the balloting are invited to check the balloting slips before balloting commences.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/460800https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/460800Tue, 28 Jun 2011 23:11:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 1 more ballot chance during 2010 P1 registration for citizen on Tue, 28 Jun 2011 18:26:04 GMT]]>Hi all mummies was wondering how to confirm that you have two slips ? Unless they are ppl there monitoring the whole process …am I rite?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/460793https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/460793Tue, 28 Jun 2011 18:26:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 1 more ballot chance during 2010 P1 registration for citizen on Sat, 30 Apr 2011 06:40:30 GMT]]>

janet_lee88:
ChiefKiasu:

[quote=\"verykiasu2010\"]i thought for triplets they should get 6 ballot slips, afterall the productivity should be rewarded


There are probably many more parents with only 1 child than parents with twins/triplets/quads/etc. So are you sure you want to annoy so many more people? :evil:

What are the chances of twins, triplets are quads etc now ?
Some are satisfied with the present P1 registration, some are dead against it...so it's best not to incur more problems by multiplying the ballot slips for those with twins or triplets.[/quote]I asked this questions was because one of my neighbour told me that SHHK informed her that it appears there's a lot of triplets and twins this year. Her friend asked her regarding this matter too. Anyway, better to check with MOE then. 😄

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/410351https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/410351Sat, 30 Apr 2011 06:40:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 1 more ballot chance during 2010 P1 registration for citizen on Sat, 30 Apr 2011 03:52:45 GMT]]>

ChiefKiasu:
verykiasu2010:

i thought for triplets they should get 6 ballot slips, afterall the productivity should be rewarded


There are probably many more parents with only 1 child than parents with twins/triplets/quads/etc. So are you sure you want to annoy so many more people? :evil:

What are the chances of twins, triplets are quads etc now ?
Some are satisfied with the present P1 registration, some are dead against it...so it's best not to incur more problems by multiplying the ballot slips for those with twins or triplets.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/410327https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/410327Sat, 30 Apr 2011 03:52:45 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 1 more ballot chance during 2010 P1 registration for citizen on Wed, 27 Apr 2011 12:56:16 GMT]]>

ChiefKiasu:
sc88:

Anyone know that if triplets , how the balloting slips counted as? I understand that there's 2 choices.


1) Put one name and if picked then all three goes in.(2 Balloting slips only?)

2) Put all three names and not all being picked and I understand it considers the picked child's name goes in only but is it with total 6 balloting slips then? :?

For multiple births, all the children's names will be put in ONE slip. If that slip is chosen, then all get in, otherwise, all are out. So they don't really get extra chances, BUT if they are chosen, they will consume more seats than usual.

Put into one slip and balloting one chance only? I thought it should be the same as one children with one slip too but with 2 balloting chances and since triplets names were put into one slip, should have 2 balloting chances also, RIGHT? :?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/408728https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/408728Wed, 27 Apr 2011 12:56:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 1 more ballot chance during 2010 P1 registration for citizen on Wed, 27 Apr 2011 09:50:22 GMT]]>

verykiasu2010:
i thought for triplets they should get 6 ballot slips, afterall the productivity should be rewarded

There are probably many more parents with only 1 child than parents with twins/triplets/quads/etc. So are you sure you want to annoy so many more people? :evil:

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/408618https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/408618Wed, 27 Apr 2011 09:50:22 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 1 more ballot chance during 2010 P1 registration for citizen on Wed, 27 Apr 2011 01:35:16 GMT]]>

ChiefKiasu:
sc88:

Anyone know that if triplets , how the balloting slips counted as? I understand that there's 2 choices.


1) Put one name and if picked then all three goes in.(2 Balloting slips only?)

2) Put all three names and not all being picked and I understand it considers the picked child's name goes in only but is it with total 6 balloting slips then? :?

For multiple births, all the children's names will be put in ONE slip. If that slip is chosen, then all get in, otherwise, all are out. So they don't really get extra chances, BUT if they are chosen, they will consume more seats than usual.


i thought for triplets they should get 6 ballot slips, afterall the productivity should be rewarded

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/408111https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/408111Wed, 27 Apr 2011 01:35:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 1 more ballot chance during 2010 P1 registration for citizen on Wed, 27 Apr 2011 01:08:10 GMT]]>

sc88:
Anyone know that if triplets , how the balloting slips counted as? I understand that there's 2 choices.


1) Put one name and if picked then all three goes in.(2 Balloting slips only?)

2) Put all three names and not all being picked and I understand it considers the picked child's name goes in only but is it with total 6 balloting slips then? :?
For multiple births, all the children's names will be put in ONE slip. If that slip is chosen, then all get in, otherwise, all are out. So they don't really get extra chances, BUT if they are chosen, they will consume more seats than usual.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/408091https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/408091Wed, 27 Apr 2011 01:08:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 1 more ballot chance during 2010 P1 registration for citizen on Tue, 26 Apr 2011 18:58:35 GMT]]>Anyone know that if triplets , how the balloting slips counted as? I understand that there's 2 choices.


1) Put one name and if picked then all three goes in.(2 Balloting slips only?)

2) Put all three names and not all being picked and I understand it considers the picked child's name goes in only but is it with total 6 balloting slips then? :?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/408034https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/408034Tue, 26 Apr 2011 18:58:35 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 1 more ballot chance during 2010 P1 registration for citizen on Mon, 07 Feb 2011 07:00:34 GMT]]>

sc88:
I understand that the second slip doesn't count. But will the school picked another slip then?

If the second slip is not counted, of course the school will pick another slip.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/352814https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/352814Mon, 07 Feb 2011 07:00:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 1 more ballot chance during 2010 P1 registration for citizen on Mon, 07 Feb 2011 06:55:11 GMT]]>Logically the school should pick another slip.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/352808https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/352808Mon, 07 Feb 2011 06:55:11 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 1 more ballot chance during 2010 P1 registration for citizen on Mon, 07 Feb 2011 06:20:03 GMT]]>

qms:
sc88:

Actually, I think that if the name was picked twice , this piece should not be counted, and thus this chance should be given to another parents.The schools should pick one more time.


Or the balloted twice piece was considered counted?

If the child's name is picked twice, the second slip doesn't count.

I understand that the second slip doesn't count. But will the school picked another slip then?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/352788https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/352788Mon, 07 Feb 2011 06:20:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 1 more ballot chance during 2010 P1 registration for citizen on Mon, 07 Feb 2011 06:09:06 GMT]]>

dorisp:
Thanks qms. 😄

You are most welcome! :celebrate:

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/352777https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/352777Mon, 07 Feb 2011 06:09:06 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 1 more ballot chance during 2010 P1 registration for citizen on Mon, 07 Feb 2011 06:08:24 GMT]]>Thanks qms. 😄

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/352775https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/352775Mon, 07 Feb 2011 06:08:24 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 1 more ballot chance during 2010 P1 registration for citizen on Mon, 07 Feb 2011 06:07:06 GMT]]>

dorisp:
Just to learn the system a little more.


Say we have 30 applying for balloting and it is made up of 25 Singaporeans and 5 PRs.

So there will be 25 (Singaporeans) x 2 = 50 + 5 (PRs) slips = 55 slips to be balloted. Is that correct? 😄
That's right.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/352771https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/352771Mon, 07 Feb 2011 06:07:06 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 1 more ballot chance during 2010 P1 registration for citizen on Mon, 07 Feb 2011 06:04:53 GMT]]>

sc88:
janet_lee88:

You can register in ONLY one school even if you can do PV in more than 2. As for the 2 balloting slips for Singaporeans, there are some lucky ones who got chosen not once but twice. My friend's daughter was the first one to be picked...along the way, her name was picked again...TWICE.


Actually, I think that if the name was picked twice , this piece should not be counted, and thus this chance should be given to another parents.The schools should pick one more time.

Or the balloted twice piece was considered counted?

:?

of course not counted. why would any child needs 2 place in the same school?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/352769https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/352769Mon, 07 Feb 2011 06:04:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 1 more ballot chance during 2010 P1 registration for citizen on Mon, 07 Feb 2011 05:41:31 GMT]]>Just to learn the system a little more.


Say we have 30 applying for balloting and it is made up of 25 Singaporeans and 5 PRs.

So there will be 25 (Singaporeans) x 2 = 50 + 5 (PRs) slips = 55 slips to be balloted. Is that correct? 😄

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/352753https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/352753Mon, 07 Feb 2011 05:41:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 1 more ballot chance during 2010 P1 registration for citizen on Mon, 07 Feb 2011 05:29:07 GMT]]>

sc88:
Actually, I think that if the name was picked twice , this piece should not be counted, and thus this chance should be given to another parents.The schools should pick one more time.


Or the balloted twice piece was considered counted?
If the child's name is picked twice, the second slip doesn't count.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/352735https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/352735Mon, 07 Feb 2011 05:29:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 1 more ballot chance during 2010 P1 registration for citizen on Mon, 07 Feb 2011 05:28:14 GMT]]>

dorisp:
Sorry for the ignorance. So the balloting is done manually and in front of all parents whom are participating? :roll:


I think I might faint...........
Yes, balloting is done manually and in front of all parents who are present to witness the process.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/352733https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/352733Mon, 07 Feb 2011 05:28:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 1 more ballot chance during 2010 P1 registration for citizen on Mon, 07 Feb 2011 05:01:16 GMT]]>

janet_lee88:
You can register in ONLY one school even if you can do PV in more than 2. As for the 2 balloting slips for Singaporeans, there are some lucky ones who got chosen not once but twice. My friend's daughter was the first one to be picked...along the way, her name was picked again...TWICE.

Actually, I think that if the name was picked twice , this piece should not be counted, and thus this chance should be given to another parents.The schools should pick one more time.

Or the balloted twice piece was considered counted?

:?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/352722https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/352722Mon, 07 Feb 2011 05:01:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 1 more ballot chance during 2010 P1 registration for citizen on Mon, 07 Feb 2011 04:23:49 GMT]]>Sorry for the ignorance. So the balloting is done manually and in front of all parents whom are participating? :roll:


I think I might faint...........

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/352710https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/352710Mon, 07 Feb 2011 04:23:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 1 more ballot chance during 2010 P1 registration for citizen on Sun, 06 Feb 2011 23:40:35 GMT]]>

esmummy:
Can I check with the more knowledgeable.... so 2 balloting tickets have to be put into the same school? Can I put one balloting slip in school A and another in School B in say, phase 2B? Tks.

You can register in ONLY one school even if you can do PV in more than 2. As for the 2 balloting slips for Singaporeans, there are some lucky ones who got chosen not once but twice. My friend's daughter was the first one to be picked...along the way, her name was picked again...TWICE.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/352553https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/352553Sun, 06 Feb 2011 23:40:35 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 1 more ballot chance during 2010 P1 registration for citizen on Sun, 06 Feb 2011 23:32:31 GMT]]>

esmummy:
Thanks for the clarification. Guess that means I join the masses in thinking that this \"bonus\" the gahmen throws to us is a vain attempt at keeping us contented. Not happy.

Wonder what you meant by \"the masses\". When the government said \"balloting slip\", it meant one school. The scenario you mentioned in your previous post is a totally different issue.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/352550https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/352550Sun, 06 Feb 2011 23:32:31 GMT