Caning in school for being rude to teacher?

Reply to Caning in school for being rude to teacher? on Mon, 20 Oct 2014 07:50:34 GMT

Aberc — Mon, 20 Oct 2014 07:50:34 GMT

ChiefKiasu:
Swearing is just like smoking. It's an image thing. People see their screen-based heros, or real life people they look up to, swearing and talking big to look really good. So they follow thinking that it makes them look tough and cool. But when they do it under the wrong circumstances, they just look uncouth and stupid. And just like 2nd-hand smoke they make people around them uncomfortable and annoyed.

So instead of just telling them to shut up, we should just video them swearing quietly and show it to them to show how stupid they really looked.

Yes, and just like smoking, it can become a hard habit to kick and after a while, they may find themselves using swear words inappropriately - a certain local valedictorian that made the news sometime ago comes to mind. :oops:

Reply to Caning in school for being rude to teacher? on Mon, 20 Oct 2014 05:08:55 GMT

ChiefKiasu — Mon, 20 Oct 2014 05:08:55 GMT

Swearing is just like smoking. It’s an image thing. People see their screen-based heros, or real life people they look up to, swearing and talking big to look really good. So they follow thinking that it makes them look tough and cool. But when they do it under the wrong circumstances, they just look uncouth and stupid. And just like 2nd-hand smoke they make people around them uncomfortable and annoyed.

So instead of just telling them to shut up, we should just video them swearing quietly and show it to them to show how stupid they really looked.

Reply to Caning in school for being rude to teacher? on Mon, 20 Oct 2014 04:13:54 GMT

spicyblackpepper — Mon, 20 Oct 2014 04:13:54 GMT

Girls too? I thought all boys school is bad. Co ed school should be better because diff sex need to maintain good image

Reply to Caning in school for being rude to teacher? on Mon, 20 Oct 2014 03:55:15 GMT

Aberc — Mon, 20 Oct 2014 03:55:15 GMT

spicyblackpepper:
Situation in boys secondary school is worrying, 13 to 16 yr old boys are learning to switch from vuglar mode among themselves to gentlemen mode towards teachers and parents.

What's worse is that secondary school girls are no better....the \"f\" word is sprinkled liberally in at least half of the class in their daily speak. I can only teach my own kids that the use of vulgarity is totally unacceptable.

Reply to Caning in school for being rude to teacher? on Mon, 20 Oct 2014 03:05:22 GMT

spicyblackpepper — Mon, 20 Oct 2014 03:05:22 GMT

Maybe his home environment is full of vulgarities.

Reply to Caning in school for being rude to teacher? on Mon, 20 Oct 2014 02:06:30 GMT

alng — Mon, 20 Oct 2014 02:06:30 GMT

My ds2 is in P3. There is this boy who uses vulgarities for practically everything on a daily basis. When the question is difficult, he uses vulgarity. When his pencil lead breaks, he uses vulgarity. My boy has to tolerate his daily vulgarities as they sit near each other. The teacher is aware of the situation and has counselled the boy. However, nothing has changed and nothing will change until the parents cooperate with the school to get the boy out of this habit.

Reply to Caning in school for being rude to teacher? on Mon, 20 Oct 2014 02:00:23 GMT

spicyblackpepper — Mon, 20 Oct 2014 02:00:23 GMT

Situation in boys secondary school is worrying, 13 to 16 yr old boys are learning to switch from vuglar mode among themselves to gentlemen mode towards teachers and parents.

Reply to Caning in school for being rude to teacher? on Mon, 20 Oct 2014 00:55:40 GMT

atrecord — Mon, 20 Oct 2014 00:55:40 GMT

To be using vulgarities to a teacher in Pri ssh is not acceptable. In fact, it is not acceptable to do so at any level. Kids should be taught from young that they must respect others and respect themselves. Esp sure if it is a higher authority.

When a kid grows up - with the right values inculcated - he can decide for himself when and under what circumstances he wants to use vulgarities. But when they are young, they are not able to judge for themselves yet. Once they start scolding it once, they are very likely to keep doing it, and to all people, and this is of course not acceptable.

When I was in the army, of course vulgarities was everywhere. But the situation, context and people involved are all very different. Our Commanding Officer famously defended my platoon as we were slogging like mad under trying circumstances for one overseas mission, and so were uttering vulgarities throughout the mission to spur everyone on. When his (our CO) boss, the Brigade Commander commented that ‘there was this vulgar platoon’…, our CO said ‘Sir, we need our soldiers to be aggressive’!

When we ROD’ed and entered univ, we were fortunately able to switch back to civilian mode and keep our explicit-laden nature under wraps, until the next time we put on the green uniforms. In short, we were able to 见人讲人话，见鬼讲鬼话。

I do not see young kids being able to do this. And certainly against the teacher, vulgarity is not tolerated. To challenge a teacher this way in pri school could easily lead to much worse confrontation in future.

We need to help him to pull back from this dangerous attitude which might potentially result in a society that will be expletive-laden.

Reply to Caning in school for being rude to teacher? on Fri, 10 Oct 2014 06:04:55 GMT

Norbu — Fri, 10 Oct 2014 06:04:55 GMT

Is it a repeated offence? If it is a repeated offence and the school has issued warnings to child and parents, the school has the right to punish the child accordingly. However schools will usually inform the parents before caning the child. If the parents are unable to control the child, someone else should step in to help.

If it is the first time, then yes, a warning should be issued and not cane the child without notifying parents first.

According to the teacher, it is the 2nd time. School did inform me. My child received the caning today, 2 strokes. I’m just wondering whether it is too harsh for caning to be carried out for this kind of things? I mean, so many people are saying vulgarities nowadays(working life, army etc.), does that warrant a caning?

based on your statement.
I have 2 points.
1) I cannot accept the canning if is my child being cane.

2) But other concern is, where the child learn it from, home environment? school mates? TV? many ppl using vulgarity does not make it a right or norm. We as parents don’t put a stop to this, then the next generation will continue.
I seen well dress man, smart looking but once open home Fxxx here Fxxx there, till female colleague cannot take it, scolded him. so is definitely not acceptable is society.

Reply to Caning in school for being rude to teacher? on Tue, 23 Sep 2014 05:07:17 GMT

nicnac — Tue, 23 Sep 2014 05:07:17 GMT

When my dd was in lower primary, she came back and spouted ‘f’… I scolded her and she said her classmates were saying that word while playing during recess.

Anyway, I emailed the teacher to inform that there is such an issue. Told the teacher that this may be a good opportunity to educate the whole class… Not looking at punishing them.

The teacher did bring up the issue in class after that email.

I know we cannot avoid the exposure to vulgarities… But at 7/8 yrs old is way too early. These are after all innocent little girls and boys… I hope to preserve their innocence a little longer.

Reply to Caning in school for being rude to teacher? on Tue, 23 Sep 2014 04:57:42 GMT

cool_hi — Tue, 23 Sep 2014 04:57:42 GMT

just to share,

few months back, my girl was called "bi**h" & other vulgarities by 2-3 boys in her school bus…i warned them a few times, told them I will report to teacher and school, but the vulgarities continued…
I was at my wits ends…didn’t know how to handle and who to approach in school…
luckily, I confided to 1 mummy(1 of the very few I know)…
she 1stly said I should not have given the boys any chance, to verbally abuse my girl this way and should not have waited so long…
then she advised to email to discipline mistress of the school…
I was not hopeful of the outcome(as I thought nowadays schools are quite lax on such behaviour for fear of reactions from parents)…
Surprisingly, that teacher went to find the boys involved at the school bus, and spoke to them…
Not sure what did she say…probably, counselled and warned them…
and replied that the prefects in that school bus will report to her, if occur again…
(as I complained why did the prefects not do anything at all? not authorised??or?)
& she also thanked me for the feedback and said that the school will not tolerate such vulgarities.
After that, the boys don’t dare till now…

Just sharing…my point is, can u tolerate it if vulgarities is being said to you or your own child?? would u think it is acceptable?? especially if it’s being repeated??

for instance, some people jaywalk…
would you teach your child that it is ok to jaywalk, just because other people jaywalk??

& when I cane my kids for something they do wrong, I will make sure they know what they did wrong…& usually, I make them say out verbally, what wrong did they do, to make sure they really understand why I cane them…if not, the caning has got no purpose at all, become meaniningless…

Just my own opinion…

Reply to Caning in school for being rude to teacher? on Tue, 23 Sep 2014 04:40:30 GMT

lynntan15 — Tue, 23 Sep 2014 04:40:30 GMT

janice75:
spicyblackpepper:
Just curious whether is this a primary or secondary school. I am glad to know that in this time and age there is still such brave school management. I know of a case where the teacher did not bother the vulgarities scolding boy. Which situation would you prefer?

Primary School. He's in primary 6 currently.

U might want to talk to your boy about the consequences of speaking vulgarities.

When a person has the habit in speaking vulgarities, it might not means anything to that person but it means a lot of things to the \"listener\". Therefore, we should stop ourselves from speaking vulgarities to avoid sending the wrong message to the other party.

It is good for the kids to learn it young than old. It is easier to kick the habit now than later.

Hope your boy will learn from this mistake and think twice before speaking vulgarities again.

Reply to Caning in school for being rude to teacher? on Tue, 23 Sep 2014 04:30:24 GMT

janice75 — Tue, 23 Sep 2014 04:30:24 GMT

spicyblackpepper:
Just curious whether is this a primary or secondary school. I am glad to know that in this time and age there is still such brave school management. I know of a case where the teacher did not bother the vulgarities scolding boy. Which situation would you prefer?

Primary School. He's in primary 6 currently.

Reply to Caning in school for being rude to teacher? on Tue, 23 Sep 2014 04:17:19 GMT

pirate — Tue, 23 Sep 2014 04:17:19 GMT

VJA:
janice75:
[quote=\"12mum\"]Is it a repeated offence? If it is a repeated offence and the school has issued warnings to child and parents, the school has the right to punish the child accordingly. However schools will usually inform the parents before caning the child. If the parents are unable to control the child, someone else should step in to help.

If it is the first time, then yes, a warning should be issued and not cane the child without notifying parents first.
According to the teacher, it is the 2nd time. School did inform me. My child received the caning today, 2 strokes. I'm just wondering whether it is too harsh for caning to be carried out for this kind of things? I mean, so many people are saying vulgarities nowadays(working life, army etc.), does that warrant a caning?

That is not true.
in working place, you cannot say vulgarities to your peers/sub/bosses right? this would result in warning letters or sacking for repenting offences.
caning is to correct your child behaviour before he/she is out to the society and the consequence can be more serious.
instead of thinking if is too harsh, u might want to think of how to change/correct your child behaviour together with the school.[/quote]I would be more worried about where the child got the idea that it is ok to spew vulgarities at the teacher.

Reply to Caning in school for being rude to teacher? on Tue, 23 Sep 2014 03:50:26 GMT

nicnac — Tue, 23 Sep 2014 03:50:26 GMT

Scolding vulgarities in school is not a minor offense, especially targeting someone of higher authority.

Once, my family was at the food court having dinner. Then, 4 teenagers came and sat at the (joining) table next to us. They were talking loudly and every single sentence has to start and end with the ‘f’ word and ‘cb’… I must be in a lousy mood that day… I tolerated for awhile and finally turned to them and said:" this is a public place, pls mind your language. You are speaking so loudly,. Pls be aware that there are kids around!"
I was really fed up because my 2 young kids were there, right next to them, hearing all these ‘f’.

Reply to Caning in school for being rude to teacher? on Tue, 23 Sep 2014 03:31:46 GMT

spicyblackpepper — Tue, 23 Sep 2014 03:31:46 GMT

Just curious whether is this a primary or secondary school. I am glad to know that in this time and age there is still such brave school management. I know of a case where the teacher did not bother the vulgarities scolding boy. Which situation would you prefer?

Reply to Caning in school for being rude to teacher? on Tue, 23 Sep 2014 03:29:39 GMT

Funz — Tue, 23 Sep 2014 03:29:39 GMT

janice75:
12mum:
Is it a repeated offence? If it is a repeated offence and the school has issued warnings to child and parents, the school has the right to punish the child accordingly. However schools will usually inform the parents before caning the child. If the parents are unable to control the child, someone else should step in to help.

If it is the first time, then yes, a warning should be issued and not cane the child without notifying parents first.
According to the teacher, it is the 2nd time. School did inform me. My child received the caning today, 2 strokes. I'm just wondering whether it is too harsh for caning to be carried out for this kind of things? I mean, so many people are saying vulgarities nowadays(working life, army etc.), does that warrant a caning?

Just because a lot of people are using such language does not make it right. For a young kid to be using such language on teachers is a blatant show of disrespect and disregard for authority.

Your child broke a school rule and he needs to bear the consequences. I know it pains you to know that your kid is being punished thus. Instead of dwelling on whether it is too harsh, it is better for you to talk to him and make sure that he understands why he is being punished and that he will not repeat such behaviour again. He will get over the incident and emerge a better kid if he understands and accept what has happen. But if you are indignant about the punishment, he may also feel the same way and will become bitter about it and that will lead to resentment.

Reply to Caning in school for being rude to teacher? on Tue, 23 Sep 2014 03:27:29 GMT

phyedw — Tue, 23 Sep 2014 03:27:29 GMT

vulgarities cannot be tolerated! somemore saying to a teacher. Speaking Vulgarities is a very serious offence. So what if so many other people are speaking vulgarities? We should teach our kids right. When we were young, my mum would give us a tight slap and vulgarities came out from our mouth. And I told my kids too, if I hear it from their mouths, I will give a tight slap.

The school did the right thing. Hope the kid can learn to be a better person after the canning. The kid has to know why he is being caned.

Reply to Caning in school for being rude to teacher? on Tue, 23 Sep 2014 03:12:56 GMT

VJA — Tue, 23 Sep 2014 03:12:56 GMT

janice75:
12mum:
Is it a repeated offence? If it is a repeated offence and the school has issued warnings to child and parents, the school has the right to punish the child accordingly. However schools will usually inform the parents before caning the child. If the parents are unable to control the child, someone else should step in to help.

If it is the first time, then yes, a warning should be issued and not cane the child without notifying parents first.
According to the teacher, it is the 2nd time. School did inform me. My child received the caning today, 2 strokes. I'm just wondering whether it is too harsh for caning to be carried out for this kind of things? I mean, so many people are saying vulgarities nowadays(working life, army etc.), does that warrant a caning?

Reply to Caning in school for being rude to teacher? on Tue, 23 Sep 2014 03:05:22 GMT

janice75 — Tue, 23 Sep 2014 03:05:22 GMT

12mum:
Is it a repeated offence? If it is a repeated offence and the school has issued warnings to child and parents, the school has the right to punish the child accordingly. However schools will usually inform the parents before caning the child. If the parents are unable to control the child, someone else should step in to help.

If it is the first time, then yes, a warning should be issued and not cane the child without notifying parents first.

According to the teacher, it is the 2nd time. School did inform me. My child received the caning today, 2 strokes. I'm just wondering whether it is too harsh for caning to be carried out for this kind of things? I mean, so many people are saying vulgarities nowadays(working life, army etc.), does that warrant a caning?

Reply to Caning in school for being rude to teacher? on Tue, 23 Sep 2014 02:31:07 GMT

fstyle28 — Tue, 23 Sep 2014 02:31:07 GMT

If prior warnings had gone unheeded, then perhaps we are looking at this measure as a form of appropriate deterrent.

Reply to Caning in school for being rude to teacher? on Tue, 23 Sep 2014 02:29:09 GMT

nicnac — Tue, 23 Sep 2014 02:29:09 GMT

I think scolding vulgarities at teachers is really unacceptable.

Reply to Caning in school for being rude to teacher? on Tue, 23 Sep 2014 02:19:58 GMT

sharonkhoo — Tue, 23 Sep 2014 02:19:58 GMT

I doubt most schools would mete out caning for a first offence. I would expect that there would already have been warnings given, and the child’s overall behaviour is probably also not that good?