SCHOOL BULLY

Reply to SCHOOL BULLY on Sun, 18 Feb 2018 13:19:50 GMT

janet88 — Sun, 18 Feb 2018 13:19:50 GMT

these bullies need to be caned in front of the whole school.

THEN they should be brought to changi prison to take a tour of how caning takes place there.

Reply to SCHOOL BULLY on Sun, 18 Feb 2018 08:57:56 GMT

phtthp — Sun, 18 Feb 2018 08:57:56 GMT

Secondary school students kick, punch and throw chairs at helpless classmate in shocking video

http://stomp.straitstimes.com/singapore-seen/students-kick-punch-and-throw-chairs-at-helpless-classmate-in-shocking-video

http://www.theindependent.sg/secondary-school-students-kick-punch-and-throw-chairs-at-classmate-in-shocking-video/

Reply to SCHOOL BULLY on Wed, 30 Sep 2015 06:31:59 GMT

anyhowsay1 — Wed, 30 Sep 2015 06:31:59 GMT

janet88:

we send our kids to school in the hope that they learn right from wrong and that the school is safe to be in.

Isn't that what the school is doing to the bully? To teach him right from wrong?

if the boy has been counselled, apologised for his actions and promises to do good from now, the future is still bright for him.

Well it was reported that he was counselled, he apologised, and yes, because of that, his future will be bright.

Reply to SCHOOL BULLY on Wed, 30 Sep 2015 06:27:14 GMT

anyhowsay1 — Wed, 30 Sep 2015 06:27:14 GMT

janet88:
anyhowsay1:

Who would want to put their children in a school that allows public opinion to dictate their disciplinary system? That means your child is no longer safe to learn and make mistakes in the school.
who wants to put their children in a school when the public does not know if there is discipline instilled? we send our kids to school in the hope that they learn right from wrong and that the school is safe to be in.

if the boy has been counselled, apologised for his actions and promises to do good from now, the future is still bright for him.

Thought the boy has been counselled, apologised for his actions to the victims already and I'm sure (though not reported) to promise that he will do good etc..?? Din't the principal said he will ensure that disciplinary action will be taken for the inappropriate behaviour and isn't the boy given class suspension or transfer class?

Reply to SCHOOL BULLY on Wed, 30 Sep 2015 04:12:40 GMT

phtthp — Wed, 30 Sep 2015 04:12:40 GMT

janet88:
anyhowsay1:

Who would want to put their children in a school that allows public opinion to dictate their disciplinary system? That means your child is no longer safe to learn and make mistakes in the school.
who wants to put their children in a school when the public does not know if there is discipline instilled? we send our kids to school in the hope that they learn right from wrong and that the school is safe to be in.

if the boy has been counselled, apologised for his actions and promises to do good from now, the future is still bright for him.

Janet, :goodpost:

if no discipline enforced in school -
then why every Primary and Secondary school have a Disicplinary Master put in place, in every school ?

if role of Disciplinary Master is re-dundant / useless -
then every school would have already removed this role !

Reply to SCHOOL BULLY on Wed, 30 Sep 2015 03:33:07 GMT

janet88 — Wed, 30 Sep 2015 03:33:07 GMT

anyhowsay1:

Who would want to put their children in a school that allows public opinion to dictate their disciplinary system? That means your child is no longer safe to learn and make mistakes in the school.

who wants to put their children in a school when the public does not know if there is discipline instilled? we send our kids to school in the hope that they learn right from wrong and that the school is safe to be in.

if the boy has been counselled, apologised for his actions and promises to do good from now, the future is still bright for him.

Reply to SCHOOL BULLY on Wed, 30 Sep 2015 02:51:20 GMT

anyhowsay1 — Wed, 30 Sep 2015 02:51:20 GMT

janet88:
not all murders are premediated...so the judge is very fair when passing sentence. so in this case, are we on the same line that punishment should be served on the boy?

my point was mentioned earlier.
being born into in a dysfunctional family doesn't entitle him/her to bully others...no one is born to be abused either.

The same fairness should be given to growing children, if not even more so, because they are still \"Xue Shen\", still learning, still finding their values and identity. When

Sufficed that the school would know what is fair regarding this case as it has all the information. If the action was borne out of nastiness to hurt and intimidate (premeditated) then the right punishment should be served on the boy, according to the school's disciplinary procedures. The school also needs to consider whether he is a first timer, or repeated offender before deciding on the punishment to mete out. Punishment or rather disciplinary actions can come in many forms, doesn't mean it must be caning or public humiliation to drive home the lesson.

The objective at the end of the day is to ensure that the boy learns. If the wrong method of teaching the boy to learn is used simply because the school wants to do the right thing by public opinion, then it could produced quite the opposite effect on the child.

Who would want to put their children in a school that allows public opinion to dictate their disciplinary system? That means your child is no longer safe to learn and make mistakes in the school.

Reply to SCHOOL BULLY on Tue, 29 Sep 2015 14:08:26 GMT

janet88 — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 14:08:26 GMT

not all murders are premediated…so the judge is very fair when passing sentence. so in this case, are we on the same line that punishment should be served on the boy?

my point was mentioned earlier.
being born into in a dysfunctional family doesn’t entitle him/her to bully others…no one is born to be abused either.

Reply to SCHOOL BULLY on Tue, 29 Sep 2015 14:06:03 GMT

Funz — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 14:06:03 GMT

The bully was not just counselled in this case right?

This is what I have read from what has been reported

Disciplinary action has been taken against the students who have misbehaved
Bully made to apologise to the 2 he bullied
He is given an ‘internal suspension’ meaning he will still attend school but take lessons separately from the class.
Bully will continue to receive counselling and eventually reintegrated back into the original class.

There were no details given on what the disciplinary action entails or whether the apologies, etc is the disciplinary action taken.

Whatever the case, there is no need for the school to announce to the public what punishment has been meted to the bully and the other kid. This is between the school, the kids and their parents. He is a student of that school and yes, he behaved badly but the school has a duty and responsibility to protect him as well. What does it say of the school if a kid makes a mistake or misbehave and he is immediately thrown to the wolves.

As for your question about the vandal, same thing. It is for the school to deal with him as they deem fit but not for them to hang the kid out to be humiliated, hung and quartered by the public. Do not forget that these are kids, only 14/15yrs old.

A firm hand, strict boundaries and guidance are what they need, not humiliation and condemnation.

Reply to SCHOOL BULLY on Tue, 29 Sep 2015 14:04:11 GMT

anyhowsay1 — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 14:04:11 GMT

janet88:
nobody asks to be born into dysfunctional/financially challenged/single-parent families...however even one who comes from such a family doesn't entitle him to bully others.

I agree with that. No excuses to bully from any walks of life even if a person's background could have turned him into one. Therefore he has to be given consequences + counselling. What consequences he merits would depend on his personal background and the circumstances surrounding the offence.

supposing a boy vandalizes school property and sprays graffiti, does the authorities feel that because he came from a dysfunctional family, all he needs is counselling?

I don't think it serves any purpose for authorities to equate family background with type of punishment. I don't think there was ever any intention to act along this line.

Justice must always be served. Served for the victims as well as for the offender. The type of punishment meted should always commensurate with severity of the crime and/or the severity of damage caused by the action.

Eg: not all killers go to the gallows. Some will receive rehabilitation.

Reply to SCHOOL BULLY on Tue, 29 Sep 2015 13:24:01 GMT

janet88 — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 13:24:01 GMT

nobody asks to be born into dysfunctional/financially challenged/single-parent families…however even one who comes from such a family doesn’t entitle him to bully others.

supposing a boy vandalizes school property and sprays graffiti, does the authorities feel that because he came from a dysfunctional family, all he needs is counselling?

Reply to SCHOOL BULLY on Tue, 29 Sep 2015 13:19:37 GMT

anyhowsay1 — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 13:19:37 GMT

Funz:
janet88:
[quote=\"anyhowsay1\"]

Shuqun Secondary, due to low COP, needless to say will generally have more of those disruptive tudents and students with behavioural, socio-emotional and learning issues. They will have more of those students who come from dysfunctional, financially challenged, single-parent households.
When students come from such backgrounds, it's hard for the parent(s) to discipline and continue with the tough livelihood. But we should also spare a thought for the other students.

If that is indeed the case of the bully's background and upbringing, then should we also not give the bully some room? Room to reflect and to correct his behaviour? Is it right to insisting on exacting your pound of flesh when it is the system and the adults around him who failed him? Did he ask to be born into such an environment?

Why keep insisting that counselling is not enough, transferring him out of his current class is insufficient? Why still insist that these actions are not enough. What would be punishment enough? Public humiliation? Expulsion?

From whatever little has been reported of the case, I've read that the mother of one of the bullied saying she and the principal did not discuss much about the bully but more about what can be done to prevent such a thing from happening and that includes educating the kids about speaking up and coming forward. The mother, whose child was at the receiving end of the bullying seem to be looking to heal and move on but it is netizens who are clamouring for blood, demanding harsher punishment and demanding to know in details what punishments have been meted.

Fact is, we only saw that snippet of that video, we do not know what else goes on, we do not know the background of the bully, neither do we know much about the victims and the kid who took the video. It is amazing that from the little that is reported it can lead to speculations of broken family, and gangs, and what have you. :faint:[/quote] :udawoman: :goodpost:

That's why the boy who took the video has to be taken to task as well as the bully. He needs to learn that an irresponsible act in an unthinking moment could have provided fodder for speculations that might have resulted in unmerited consequences for others. (don't get me wrong. I am not saying that the bully should not be punished.) He will be a better person for it and no one should deny him this opportunity to learn.

Reply to SCHOOL BULLY on Tue, 29 Sep 2015 10:15:35 GMT

BeContented — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 10:15:35 GMT

Funz:
janet88:
[quote=\"anyhowsay1\"]

Shuqun Secondary, due to low COP, needless to say will generally have more of those disruptive tudents and students with behavioural, socio-emotional and learning issues. They will have more of those students who come from dysfunctional, financially challenged, single-parent households.
When students come from such backgrounds, it's hard for the parent(s) to discipline and continue with the tough livelihood. But we should also spare a thought for the other students.

If that is indeed the case of the bully's background and upbringing, then should we also not give the bully some room? Room to reflect and to correct his behaviour? Is it right to insisting on exacting your pound of flesh when it is the system and the adults around him who failed him? Did he ask to be born into such an environment?

Why keep insisting that counselling is not enough, transferring him out of his current class is insufficient? Why still insist that these actions are not enough. What would be punishment enough? Public humiliation? Expulsion?

From whatever little has been reported of the case, I've read that the mother of one of the bullied saying she and the principal did not discuss much about the bully but more about what can be done to prevent such a thing from happening and that includes educating the kids about speaking up and coming forward. The mother, whose child was at the receiving end of the bullying seem to be looking to heal and move on but it is netizens who are clamouring for blood, demanding harsher punishment and demanding to know in details what punishments have been meted.

Fact is, we only saw that snippet of that video, we do not know what else goes on, we do not know the background of the bully, neither do we know much about the victims and the kid who took the video. It is amazing that from the little that is reported it can lead to speculations of broken family, and gangs, and what have you. :faint:[/quote] :goodpost: :goodpost: :goodpost: :goodpost: :goodpost: :goodpost: :goodpost:

Reply to SCHOOL BULLY on Tue, 29 Sep 2015 09:41:38 GMT

Funz — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 09:41:38 GMT

janet88:
anyhowsay1:

Shuqun Secondary, due to low COP, needless to say will generally have more of those disruptive tudents and students with behavioural, socio-emotional and learning issues. They will have more of those students who come from dysfunctional, financially challenged, single-parent households.
When students come from such backgrounds, it's hard for the parent(s) to discipline and continue with the tough livelihood. But we should also spare a thought for the other students.

Reply to SCHOOL BULLY on Tue, 29 Sep 2015 07:55:11 GMT

janet88 — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 07:55:11 GMT

anyhowsay1:

Shuqun Secondary, due to low COP, needless to say will generally have more of those disruptive tudents and students with behavioural, socio-emotional and learning issues. They will have more of those students who come from dysfunctional, financially challenged, single-parent households.

When students come from such backgrounds, it's hard for the parent(s) to discipline and continue with the tough livelihood. But we should also spare a thought for the other students.

Reply to SCHOOL BULLY on Tue, 29 Sep 2015 06:27:13 GMT

anyhowsay1 — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 06:27:13 GMT

phtthp:
If that adjunct teacher just bochap, that bully still got hope, through school counseling.

But if even that adjunct teacher is scared of bully, because bully join gang outside, school counseling may not help, because it is very hard to break out or come out of a gangster group. There are rules inside a gangster group. Once u join, very hard to get out. One must investigate the family background of this bully, and background of his parents. Who raise up bully, under what sort of circumstances ? Does bully live with both parents ? Any of his parents go jail before ?

If bully really join gang, school can't control a student's action or habits, AFTER school hours.

That's right. The profile of the student is very important because it has a direct bearing on student's behaviour. This is because children's behaviour is more of a response to his environment and upbringing/training than a genetic trait that cannot be altered. This part we don't know and can't see from the video.

The bottom line is, school discipline needs to be tightened up. Schools, Teachers, students and parents also need to know each have the obligations to play their part well, procedures mapped out and complied. Shuqun Secondary, due to low COP, needless to say will generally have more of those disruptive tudents and students with behavioural, socio-emotional and learning issues. They will have more of those students who come from dysfunctional, financially challenged, single-parent households.

Reply to SCHOOL BULLY on Tue, 29 Sep 2015 05:02:09 GMT

phtthp — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 05:02:09 GMT

If that adjunct teacher just bochap, that bully still got hope, through school counseling.

But if even that adjunct teacher is scared of bully, because bully join gang outside, school counseling may not help, because it is very hard to break out or come out of a gangster group. There are rules inside a gangster group. Once u join, very hard to get out. One must investigate the family background of this bully, and background of his parents. Who raise up bully, under what sort of circumstances ? Does bully live with both parents ? Any of his parents go jail before ?

If bully really join gang, school can’t control a student’s action or habits, AFTER school hours.

Reply to SCHOOL BULLY on Tue, 29 Sep 2015 04:58:10 GMT

janet88 — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 04:58:10 GMT

phtthp:
Maybe adjunct Tr scared of bully ... Bully may join gang outside

Maybe victims scared of bully ... Bully join gang outside

hubby always reminds me to think of things at adult and child's level.
yes, victims are definitely afraid of the bully...as such dared not inform parents and teachers. if the P had been firm to talk about consequences of anyone bullying during assembly, then the victims might have informed discipline master or teacher.

adjunct teacher scared of bully or bochap?

Reply to SCHOOL BULLY on Tue, 29 Sep 2015 04:52:05 GMT

phtthp — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 04:52:05 GMT

Possible scenario ...

Maybe adjunct Tr scared of bully ... Bully may have joined a gang outside

Maybe victims scared of bully ... Bully join gang outside
Think about it ... If victim know martial arts, why din retaliate, for 5 long months ?
Don't u think is abnormal to be fearful, for such a long time ?

If u say don't retaliate like once or twice, ok
But don't retaliate for 5 long months, something not right, inside the school.

Unless scared that if he retaliate, he will meet greater trouble, because gang outside waiting for him at school gate, after school dismissal

Anyway if this bulky really join a gang, do u think counseling will help ?
Those gang members, will look for him again to run errand, after school.

Some families are broken.
Father, mother don't care about their children.
So who do kids turn to, for solace ?
Turn to gang, outside

If got gang involved, not surprising that both adjunct tr and victims scared

This article here mention how a gang attacked and killed a polytechnic school boy, using knives, chopper, screw driver
http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/c ... is-friends

Reply to SCHOOL BULLY on Tue, 29 Sep 2015 04:49:35 GMT

janet88 — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 04:49:35 GMT

could the poor victims be afraid to inform their parents of the bullying taking place? were they afraid to be stigmatised or just seen as ‘not important’? I think we have to put ourselves in the students’ position.

does the FT of this class know his/her students well?

one of the victim’s mother said her son’s grades didn’t get affected despite what happened…probably she didn’t suspect anything was wrong…but for her son to be going to school later than usual would sound an alarm.

Reply to SCHOOL BULLY on Tue, 29 Sep 2015 03:03:40 GMT

Lavina — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 03:03:40 GMT

Perhaps the victims feel that their parents have bigger problems in life and didn’t want to burden them further? Perhaps they know that their parents will be really heartbroken if they knew, so they chose not to tell? Not fair to jump to any conclusions.

Reply to SCHOOL BULLY on Tue, 29 Sep 2015 02:25:50 GMT

anyhowsay1 — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 02:25:50 GMT

Funz:
No, if parents just want punishment for the bully then these parents are very short sighted. The problem goes beyond just the bully. Punishing the bully will not solve the bigger problem.

If in their shoes, the bully will be the last thing on my mind. The first question will be where have I failed as a parent that my child would rather endure being bullied than telling me what has been happening. Why did he choose to keep quiet? Is it because he does not believe that I can help him? If so, how do I manage that? Going forward, how do I help him to realise that keeping quiet is not the option, whether him being the one on the receiving end or a witness to bullying. How do I help him regain faith and trust that the adults will not fail him? How do I teach him not to back down just because not enough was done.

Next I will demand answers from the school. Yes things have happened, we cannot dial back the clock to undo what has happened, now lets look at what can be done to prevent it from happening. The principal and the teachers need to take a long hard look at what has been happening in the school to identify where things have fallen apart and then put in place measures to rectify this problem. I think the problem goes beyond the adjunct relief teacher. If the main teachers in the school have enforced proper boundaries, even with their absence, things should not reach such chaotic state. If the main teachers have been struggling with this class, what has the discipline master/mistress, VP and P been doing to assist?

Next, MOE need to drive the message into teachers, to observe the kids and to look out for signs of kids under duress. It could be from bullying, stress, emotional hurt, etc. More educating needs to be done for such cases, both for teachers and students.

And again, back to my kid. I will fight the image and stigma of my kid being a victim. I think that was what the mother of the kid is trying to do when she mentioned that he chose not to retaliate. Yes, bullies are loathed but being identified as the bullied is also no walk in the park. People see you as weak and meek. When people see you as weak and meek, they will not trust you with responsibilities. They write you off as not dependable. So if given a choice, I would have preferred for the kid who took the video not to have shared it on social media.

:goodpost:

Reply to SCHOOL BULLY on Tue, 29 Sep 2015 02:22:59 GMT

anyhowsay1 — Tue, 29 Sep 2015 02:22:59 GMT

janet88:
pirated:
If the student taking the video is in any way victimized or punish, the principal ought to be removed. Shame on him

Totally agree. This boy has done a great job. Don't punish him.

I think he would have done a great job if he had gone to the discipline master with the video instead of keeping mum about it and silently uploaded the video to Youtube. I think students like that are to be rewarded for their courage to do the right thing. However, his actions has caused the school to fight fire, merely reacting to the avalanche of responses, which to many people, isn't the right thing to do or the best thing to do. Thus I think this is what the school wanted him to learn.

If he is whistle blowing on anyone in his class, he should take it to his school authorities to look into the matter. If his school is found to be doing wrong, then he can take it to the media and MOE.

It is not about posting on Youtube or taking videos. The bottom line is that, I feel that students need to be taught how to show respect by giving the party concerned a chance to right the situation or a chance to do something about the situation before going public. A video alone focusing in on a target doesn't really tell the whole story (deceptive element) and can cause a lot of misunderstanding if misconstrued. We all know too well that on ONE SINGLE ISSUE, a thousand people will come up with a thousand different opinions. How helpful can that be? Even the victims can be criticised in this case.

No offence but imagine maids doing that to us at home, if she wanted to use the video as a way to spite her employer or air her discontent about something and thought that there is no other way except this way..