Goodbosshappymaid:

jetsetter

Your comments have been offending ,misleading and baseless!

You have been repeatedly using the word \"NGOs\", \"NGOs\", \"NGOs\", which mean the Non-Governmental Organisations\" concerned as a WHOLE. These NGOs have been duly registered and their continued operations renewed and renewed under the relevant Singapore laws for their permitted noble causes of promoting FDWs wellbeing for years as these NGOs as a WHOLE have never had any \"run-ins\" with the Singapore Government , the MOM , the MHA ..have they? If so, please SUBSTANTIATE??

You have been very biased towards NGOs .Do you yourself have ever had any \"run-ins\" with any NGO?

I fully agree that this forum should be used purely for FDW issues. it should be used to :

a) share ,promote and propagate good practices of employers and maid agents in accordance with MOM rules and regulations ; and

b) reveal , condemn and shame law-breaching acts of employers and colluding unethical maid agents .

NOTHING about politics ; unfounded and untrue allegations against anybody, NGOs as a WHOLE and even the MOM like some participants here who have labelled MOM as \"lousy MOM\".. Such comments are irresponsible and damaging for Singapore.

jetsetter:

pirated:

Even pirates fear to tread ....

怕就闪一边, 不用看我撕开人家的 “72变”。

jetsetter:

pirated:

Even pirates fear to tread ....

怕就闪一边, 不用看我撕开人家的 “72变”。

pirated:

Even pirates fear to tread ....

MTSC:

jetsetter

1. You have been attacking NGOs as a WHOLE and has labelled NGOs as harbouring \"Political agendas\" but your have evaded 'happyhellokitty''s calling for your substantiation of your unfounded and fanning allegation against NGOs as a WHOLE. Be fair and honest to all readers , You should substantiate your allegation without further evasion.

2. I agree with 'happyhellokitty' that \"You have been very biased towards NGOs\" and I hope you answer 'happyhellokitty's question to you : \"Do you yourself have ever had any \"run-ins\" with any NGO?\" You should answer question and be further evasive towards readers.

jetsetter:

While what you've been fighting for is commendable, and I do salute such NGOs' efforts, do be mindful some NGOs harbour political agendas, in case you haven't already realised, from your interactions with civil activists like Jolovan Wham, Alex Au (\"yawningbread\" blogger, SDP member), Vincent Wijeysingha (former SDP candidate, but he's stepped down from the exco of one of the said NGOs, if my memory doesn't fail me), Shelly Thio (very vocal lady), Russell Heng (former SunT features editor turned activist) and a couple of associates like Lynn Lee (filmmaker of SMRT strike).

These 2 NGOs have had a couple of run-ins with MOM, MHA and the Courts over the years. Some of them were non-substantive allegations against the authorities which were subsequently dismissed/rebutted by the latter, I recall.

jetsetter:

sushi88:

[quote=\"Grandmasharing\"]

Those who have involved in NGOs' work interacting with \"Run away maids\" and have access to many untold , unreported maid-exploitation stories will fully agree with me and we hope you guys will share your experiences here for the benefits of all prospective employers.

Can someone advise how these untold, unreported maid-exploitation stories are investigated and verified true by the NGOs for the benefit of all? I strongly agree that unfairly treated domestic helpers need to be helped, just not by shaming employers though...

If there are such non-profit(?) NGOs helping the domestic helpers, I salute the NGOs and congratulate the domestic helpers for an added source of help on top of MOM and the embassies.

pirated:

sushi88:

This thread is getting toxic and personal.


The same people who show so much compassion towards the FDWs are the same who are so toxic in their ways...condemn, shame etc... Is there an equation in such behaviour? Hmm...something's not consistent.... :?

Even pirates fear to tread ....

sushi88:

Grandmasharing:

Those who have involved in NGOs' work interacting with \"Run away maids\" and have access to many untold , unreported maid-exploitation stories will fully agree with me and we hope you guys will share your experiences here for the benefits of all prospective employers.

Can someone advise how these untold, unreported maid-exploitation stories are investigated and verified true by the NGOs for the benefit of all? I strongly agree that unfairly treated domestic helpers need to be helped, just not by shaming employers though...

If there are such non-profit(?) NGOs helping the domestic helpers, I salute the NGOs and congratulate the domestic helpers for an added source of help on top of MOM and the embassies.

sushi88:

This thread is getting toxic and personal.


The same people who show so much compassion towards the FDWs are the same who are so toxic in their ways...condemn, shame etc... Is there an equation in such behaviour? Hmm...something's not consistent.... :?

Grandmasharing:

Jetsetter

You said that you \"I don't think that POA Teacher's background has any relevance to your crusade, so please don't bring in her CV.\"

But why are singling out just a few NGOs' activists like Jolovan Wham, Alex Au Vincent Wijeysingha , Shelly Thio (very vocal lady), Russell Heng and a couple of associates like Lynn Lee among so many other NGOs' activists who joined NGOs in support of Singapore Government & MOM's efforts to combat exploitation by many bad Singapore employers and unethical maid agents colluding with such bad Singapore employers who would damage the image of Singapore?
Now here's the difference, POA Teacher is a nobody. She's just another kiasu parent and one long-winded, disgruntled employer of FDWs.

But what are you, Grandmasharing? And what are they? They're in the hot news, which is how I got to know them.

Regarding the above ging gang's crusade, I should give you the benefit of the doubt, are you trying to tell me? I'd love to, but I won't. I'll leave inquisitive readers to make their own inferences, and will cease to comment on these activists' values/inclination whatsoever.

What harms or security threats have Jolovan Wham, Alex Au Vincent Wijeysingha , Shelly Thio (very vocal lady), Russell Heng and a couple of associates like Lynn Lee done or caused to Singapore? What is the relevance ?
The \"harms\"? Did I use \"harm\" and \"security threats\"? But I thank you for confirming my 'hypothesis' that you were indeed referring to these 2 NGOs and are likely to be in their company.

impact \"(c)aused to Singapore\" you mean? Just google and form your own judgment lah.

The relevance? There's no direct relevance as far as this discussion is concerned. As shared with your friend, MaryAnn, the sole purpose of my exceptional response to you that day was to gently remind you that some civil activists who'd a couple of run-ins with the estab are heading the said NGOs.

But it appears to me you are already well in the know who's who. I thought you were just one of those unsuspecting social workers in the street, fighting and defending the FDW cause; or a genuine employer who've had many errant helpers in the past now leveraging on this education forum to counter views such as those of POA Teacher that are antithetical to your personal objectives. But I guess I was wrong based on this reply of yours;)

In any case, since you've already aligned yourself to their causes, as evidenced by your defensive rebuttal, nothing I remind would make any difference to you. Lol!

If you are so familiar with NGOs's who is who, why didn't you tell all the readers who may not have known about H.O.M.E's founding president , Bridget Tan's noble cause of setting up H.O.M.E with her own savings to advance the wellbeing of so many thousands of FDWs abused and exploited by maid-employers and maid-agents? Why didn't you tell all readers that NGOs 's efforts are not only well praised and recognised by the MOM, the Singapore Government but are even commended regionally and internationally such that the USA's Mrs Hilary Clinton awarded Bridgette Tan with a TIP Hero Award in 2011?
Did I mention Bridget Tan? Who has taken over Bridget Tan since? Please read this ST report and enlighten the community with which group of volunteers Bridget had so disagreed and got so mad in Batam. Thank you.
http://yourhealth.asiaone.com/content/migrant-worker-activist-bridget-tan-recovering-well-after-stroke

Seriously, depends on which NGO lah...Not every NGO gets spotlighted by the G, ok!

When Bridget Tan suffered from a stroke recently and was hospitalised, our Minister of Manpower , Mr Tan Chuan-Jin personally visited her twice in the hospital? If H.O.M.E is an anti-Government , anti-MOM organisathould a Minister visit her?
An officeholder can decide which patient he likes to visit and in what capacity, after his aide has strategically advised him and done the background checks. That's not for ordinary citizens like us to care, just like pp shouldn't give 2 hoots when Han Hui Hui was spotted at the Parliament House during the mourning period and when Chiam See Tong was part of the LKY funeral procession, am I right? People do set aside their differences and make exceptions under special circumstances, do they not?

If you allege that NGOs like H.O.M.E and TWC2 are harbouring political agendas would you elaborate and substantiate what agendas Bridget Tan & Mr John Gee, Rusell Heng are having while sacrificing so much of their personal times to protect so many thousands of FDWs?
Is that right? I'm not aware they're sacrificing so much of their time on FDWs, but I do know they spent a lot of time on striking migrant workers Nonetheless, thank you for enlightening me. I'm also now informed that you're serving in one of these NGOs.

Both you and POA teacher's anti-NGO stance are clearly revealed and that's why POA teacher has made her unfounded & biased remarks on NGO!
Well, I can't speak for POA Teacher as I do not know her at all. But I'm certainly not \"anti-NGO\". Some NGOs are more radical and vocal than others who prefer to toil and serve society quietly in concert with the estab. You being so defensive hints to me you're serving in one of the more radical NGOs often featured in TRS and TOC. :evil:

Mary Ann:

jetsetter:

2. \"We have seen\". \"We\"? Are you one of the volunteers or social workers working for either H.O.M.E and TWC2?

While what you've been fighting for is commendable, and I do salute such NGOs' efforts, do be mindful some NGOs harbour political agendas, in case you haven't already realised, from your interactions with civil activists like Jolovan Wham, Alex Au (\"yawningbread\" blogger, SDP member), Vincent Wijeysingha (former SDP candidate...).

These 2 NGOs have had a couple of run-ins with MOM, MHA and the Courts over the years. Some of them were non-substantive allegations against the authorities which were subsequently dismissed/rebutted by the latter, I recall.

I hope you're not one of the above, but just another employer who has had many positive experiences with FDWs to share with kiasu parents like us. :evil:

This forum is purely about FDWs-Employers-Maid Agents-related issues , let's NOT talk about POLITICS.

Whoa, in caps. You are -- provoked--because I nailed it? So, was my gentle reminder to another kind volunteer, Grandmasharing, affecting you? My message really was: kind-hearted social workers and volunteers should do their due diligence when they offer their time to NGOs. Don't be used as proxies or pawns by others to further their agenda.

Purely? You mean the \"thread\"? This \"forum\" is predominantly about EDUCATION, schools, preschools, tuition centres. Sure, you can rant, you can shame, you can name, you can warn, you can advise as a parent (or are you not?) protecting your former fellow countrywomen from employer abuse in this thread, you can promote all the noble causes your patrons are pushing, so can any member remind and educate the ignorant majority about the motives behind some causes. That's your prerogative that I've no right to deprive you of.

If the people behind these NGOs aren't partisan, they should resign from their parties and be simple citizens and parents like you and I

Perhaps your timely reminder (i.e. not to conflate politics with FDWs/migrant workers) should be sent to NGOs with partisan patrons/reps.

As far as I am aware of , neither H.O.M.E nor TWC2 is involved in politics or in any way anti-Singapore Government. Their objectives are purely of those promoting FDW welfare which are actually supplementing the efforts of MOM and are highly commendable.

You know their existence but you may not be aware of their makeup Yes, I'm aware of their objectives, but \"purely\" or not, I shall reserve my comments. And \"supplementing the efforts of MOM\" or not, I won't shed further light

Have a good read, MaryAnn, since you've been too busy blacklisting errant employers and agencies. Let me know what you think. :evil:

http://therealsingapore.com/content/singaporeans-first

http://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2014/09/twc2-rebuts-mom-but-letter-not-published-by-st/

Just 2 links as it's TGIF. If you need more, I can supplement more when I'm free to enlighten and entertain the inquisitive.

I urge more Singaporeans would support these NGOs to protect FDWs from being abused and exploitated by unethical maid agents as well as law-breaching bad employers.

Certainly. I second that. Did I not tell Grandmasharing I found her crusade, and yours (unless you are she), \"commendable\", and even made an exception out of my character to \"salute\" her efforts. Please see above for clarity.

Mary Ann:

These uneithcal maid agencies below have got their licenses suspended by MOM because they didn't provide \"Maid's MOM Record of Employment History\" to employers:

1. Koosh Employment Services ( Upper Thomson Rd)- 22 demerit points .
2. Manpower Contact International (Aljunied Rd, KH Plaza)- 26 demerit points.
3. Paramous Manpower Services ( Katong Shopping Centre )- 19 demerit points.
4. Yue Liang Maid Agency ( Katong Shopping Centre)- 37 demerit points.

Mary Ann Alimania

Mary Ann:

To all :

This is a big BLUFF agency !! - Bluffing employers., bluffing maids all the way!!

Mary Ann:

If the maid is in the wrong , she should be punished , put her name in the forum,

If the maid agency is in the wrong , put the agency’s name in this forum and punish the agency like the way I did before’ but;

Grandmasharing:

POA Teacher:

I have not been to any maid agency for a long time, true.

You know why?
Cos my maid worked for me for ages, and we don't need one any more. So I haven't had to use any agent for a lonnnnng time.
Does that make me a horrible employer?

Also, you don't read well. I have replied to some employer here, saying that they are not fair in treatment of the maid.
Also, I have never defended anyone for ill-treating their maids or for non-payment of salaries etc. You are distorting whatever I posted, due to your own bias perhaps due to your experiences with bad employers. But I never defended them

Also, you so sure about my job history????

We know about your job history from your own mouth where you have stated in this forum that you are \"Ex MOE teacher. Though Principles of Accounts. ...doing tutoring..\" Are these your words??

However , after this discovery, you have changed your introduction to : \"Out of this .. it has become a BB bashing board.\"

So you are condemning & labelling Kaisu Parents Forum as a BB bashing board.\" ??

Isn't this in line with the sarcastic, biased and unfounded remarks you had made in the past 5 years including that attacking the work of NON-Governmental Organisations (NGO) which protect and house hundreds and thousands of maids , many had been illegally deployed and not paid salaries and abused in many other forms by employers?

Your maid had worked for you for ages. We have understood from your own posts that she had been one like many many others , suffered cutting of salary and repaying very \"huge maid loan\" for 7, 8 , 9 , 10 or 11 months ( CRISLO's $3850) due to employer employing them from unethical maid agents who passed on \"Employer's Agency Fee & Maid-Employment -Related Costs\" to the financially-exploited maids\" thus employers enjoy the exploitation of maids at Agency Fee of $0 , $1 , $38 , $55?

Such maids , having had their salaries been cut for months, have had no choice but to move on to accept whatever job conditions looking forward to finally starting to receive first salary. Yet we have seen many such maids whose employers maliciously withholding their salaries to compel completion of contract , allowing part payment of salary for remittance to families after maids' repeated begging. Worst still , we have also seen many Singapore employers forcing maids to renew contracts against maids' will by withholding $900, $1,500 as \"hostage\" to make sure that maids would return from \"Home Leave\" to work for another contract. We have seen such maids finally driven to run away to NGOs and MOM for help . These maids have been compelled by poverties and continued dire need to support their families to tolerate exploitation by such cruel Singapore employers to work for 3 years , 5 years ..because a big sum of their hard-earned salaries have been held hostage by their cruel employers.

Those who have involved in NGOs' work interacting with \"Run away maids\" and have access to many untold , unreported maid-exploitation stories will fully agree with me and we hope you guys will share your experiences here for the benefits of all prospective employers.

Maids work for ages for the same employers fall into the following categories :

1) Lucky and truly good maids working for good and law-abiding employers who pay salary on time, giving maids off days with adequate food & rest ;

2) Lucky maids with \"not-so-good\" qualities but working for good and law-abiding employers who are \"chinchai\" -easy-going\" who are willing to lower expectation to keep the employer-maid relationship moving on for years..

3) Unlucky maids , submissive , isolated without hand-phone or freedom of calls and thus completely uninformed with salaries withheld by \"Bad & law-breaching employers as facilitated by colluded bad unethical maid agents.

We congratulate you for being lucky to have kept your maid working for you for ages!! For the benefits of all employers , existing ones or employers- to- be , why not you share your secrets of success to us through this forum which should be used as a platform for all Singaporeans to :

1) Share good maid-management practices in terms of off days timing, hand-phone usage, provision of food and rest time etc..

2) Reveal untold, unreported \"bad and law-breaching employers' abusive acts and malpractice which you have detected and help the abused maids to report such employers to NOM , Police or NGOs..

3) Reveal and report to MOM all \"covered-up\" law-breaching acts and malpractices committed by \"Bad and unethical maid agents\" who have colluded with \"bad and law-breaching employers\" you have discovered.

Tell honestly & fairly the full facts of the Goods & the Bads , the rights and the wrongs of maids, employers and maid agents to all readers to make this forum a truly useful and fair forum for every body. Please start from you ?

Grandmasharing:

[quote]We know about your job history from your own mouth where you have stated in this forum that you are \"Ex MOE teacher. Though Principles of Accounts. ...doing tutoring..\" Are these your words??

Grandmasharing:

Those who have involved in NGOs' work interacting with \"Run away maids\" and have access to many untold , unreported maid-exploitation stories will fully agree with me and we hope you guys will share your experiences here for the benefits of all prospective employers.

Taurus22:

For those who are reading this thread the first time and have been ignorance of how prevalent and wide-spreading illegal deployment of maids is, we should be glad that this thread is posted to help enhance & spread awareness, hopefully through other forums , of the malpractices undertaken by many unethical employers and colluded agents which are not reported in media and any internet forum.


Undoubtedly, there are many bad maids, bad maid agents and equally many bad employers.

However, what is different is , employers have been given so much protections behind the scene / hidden behind internet forums to unfairly and mercilessly \"Bad-mouth and attack \"the so called \"bad maids\" with these maids' full details - full names, photographs , work permit numbers being unreservedly exposed here and there.

On the other hand, are the so-called \"bad maids\" being similarly given a chance or being notified to open up their sides of the \"bad stories / breaches \" of their \"bad employers\"? What kind of protection do these maids have ? The exposures of the so-called \"bad maids\" urging for blacklisting is done in open space without any cover , any shield and is therefore totally one-sided and even could be dubious while the employer-cyber attackers are completely protected & shielded behind internet forum with the safest protections.

Maids' unverified \"Bad Employment History\" are revealed without any reservation. In sharp contrast , any single \"bad employer\"'s \"bad Employment History\" has been revealed to the maids who seek employment or transfer. Who is protected and who is not protected at all?

\"Bad Maids\" can be mercilessly exposed and shamed in public in any space and any form, why is it that \"Bad employers\" who have committed offences of illegally deploying maids of maids can enjoy special privilege of not to be publicly exposed and shamed together with the \"Bad colluded Maid agents\" with full details in maids' Facebook or in any other way maids deem deserve to have their side of their stories heard and to get back their justice in this country built by our late Founder Prime Minister, Mr Lee Kuan Yew based on Justice and Equality?

Myanbamboo:

Dear all,

I also applaud 'wahjinsong's sharings of the many bad deeds done by \"bad employers\" to their maids. I am glad that MOM publicly shames these employers by revealing these \"bad employers\"s full names and addresses in the maids' Special Passes issued by MOM.

All the bad deeds or offences committed are very common as I have observed to have taken place amongst some of my ex colleagues , all of them are women employers. One of them even sacked the maid who asked for transfer immediately after she had finished repaying her \"8.5 months' loan\" when she did not want to work for two houses anymore to perform \"full load of domestic duties in my ex-colleague's mother's house where we understand to have 6 persons. The maid is a fresh maid who had had no off-day during the \"loan period\" left Singapore without justice being done as she did no know how to tell Immigration officer but to go to complaint to MOM as she had been deployed illegally to work for two houses for 8 months and got sacked when refused further exploitation. My another colleague told me that this 'Bad employer-colleague\" had even used the maid's last drawn salary to buy air ticket to send the maid home last minute as with the cases of many other cruel employers we have seen. These employers have committed two offences- illegally deployed the maid and then used the maid's salary to repatriate their maids. Outrageous!

True enough , the Singapore Government has put the necessary laws in place to protect the maids but what is actually happening on the ground? What kind of protections the maids can actually get ? The cruel employers are at large , offences unreported to MOM , the maids abused & exploited and repatriated without money going home , and worse still , the next replacement maid suffer the same fate of being illegally deployed ,.. or else face repatriation ...Some employers hold maids' salary hostage despite maids' begging for money to be sent home but rejected by employers who use such cruel method to compel maids to accept unreasonable work conditions and complete contract. Will these cruel employers make noise and run away to MOM if their companies hold their salaries for two years?

Besides illegal deployment .there are many unfair treatment of maid observed -When maid break contract , \"Bad employers\" use maids' salary to buy air-ticket on grounds that employer has to waste money , pay agency fee , insurance costs ..to employ a replacement .

I have seen cases in which employer's old family members passed away after the maid has just finished her many month's loan got repatriated immediately without transfer . However , the 'Employment Contract' signed and Work Permit issued is for two years ? What are in these bad employers' mind are only want to save levy payment and salary ? Heartless ? Unfair ? cruel ? So where is the protection for the maid?

Even where these employers allow their maid transfer , do they pay for the maids 'Transfer Fees' in the form of yet another 'Salary deduction ? Where is the law to protect these maids who look after our elderly and risk being terminated anytime when the elderly die anytime while the Employer signed two years' contract? Who is fully protected? and who is completely not protected? Let's touch our hearts and look into the minor..

The phrase \" prevalent and wide-spreading illegal deployment of maids..\" used above by \"Taurus22\" aptly pointed to the fact that protection of maids is still lacking though laws are already in place , mostly due to unethical maid agents' covering up , collusion with \"bad employers\" .Not only illegal deployment is prevalent & widespread, unfair treatments of maids in many ways unreported but known to be \"open secrets\" are equally \"prevalent & wide spreading\" despite MOM's enforcement by the MOM & the Singapore Government on the higher echelon which can't catch up with the \"hankies pankies \" on the ground..

Public exposure , shaming and jailing of offenders-both employers and maid agents who \"take-side\" of bad employers are the right steps to be taken .