<![CDATA[2015 O Levels (Sec 4)]]>Hi teachers and parents, I am secondary 5 student taking o levels this year feeling very nervous and worried for my English and Chinese as all along I didn't get good results, actually all my subjects are the same. I'm here looking for past year papers hope that teachers or parents can share with me, mainly Combined Science (Bio and chem) , English, F&N , Math and Chinese. If have, you can kindly send me an email or pm me! Thank you! :xedfingers:


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]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/topic/81601/2015-o-levels-sec-4RSS for NodeSat, 25 Apr 2026 12:58:18 GMTTue, 05 Jul 2016 12:55:35 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to 2015 O Levels (Sec 4) on Wed, 20 Jan 2016 17:58:16 GMT]]>

kennethTutor:


My point for asking the simplified question was to illustrate that in the case of a tie in nett score, raw score will determine selection. You illustrated that very clearly above. After considering nationality, the lowest raw score will prevail. (I overlooked Nationality in my original post, so thanks again for pointing that out.)

Moreover, there are other factors such as Demand greater than Supply (solved by computer ballot) and Student choices (E.g. Not everyone with nett score 2 will choose RJC) that affects selection. Unfortunately without insider knowledge, we can only speculate on what goes on behind the scenes.
For this JC allocations, the algorithm for JC allocations is not that ideal because there will be a lot of balloting but what is more dangerous is that the myth of a student choosing a school as say 2rd choice will have a preference over a student choosing as 11th choice.

This myth comes out overtime since the PSLE days and I can remember in Pri 6 briefing, even the school teachers briefed the parents as such. I corrected the said teacher during the briefing and showed her that the PSLE booklet clearly saying that what choice you put do not affect your chances.So, the problem is that despite MOE making so much effort to explain the algorithm of selection (for PSLE to sec school, that is), and saying that what choice you put does not affect your chances, school staff (teachers included), parents ... etc still continue to spread this incorrect myth which spread over to JC's allocation ...
[quote]
If I am to write the algorithm I wouldn't be here! Thanks for the response.[/quote]Haha .. what I meant is now you will have enough materials/info to write the program (if you want) since you said are a trained programmer as previously based on the the available info at that time, it was not possible ...

cheers

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1631642https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1631642Wed, 20 Jan 2016 17:58:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2015 O Levels (Sec 4) on Tue, 19 Jan 2016 13:46:02 GMT]]>

VitoRelax:
When it reach batch with score 4, it is like this


The next batch are Singaporeans with 6-2=4

Then Singaporeans with 8-4=4

Then PRs with 6-2=4

Then RRs with 8-4=4

Then international students with 6-2=4

Then international students with 8-4=4
My point for asking the simplified question was to illustrate that in the case of a tie in nett score, raw score will determine selection. You illustrated that very clearly above. After considering nationality, the lowest raw score will prevail. (I overlooked Nationality in my original post, so thanks again for pointing that out.)

Moreover, there are other factors such as Demand greater than Supply (solved by computer ballot) and Student choices (E.g. Not everyone with nett score 2 will choose RJC) that affects selection. Unfortunately without insider knowledge, we can only speculate on what goes on behind the scenes.
VitoRelax:
At least now you can write the program ?
If I am to write the algorithm I wouldn't be here! Thanks for the response.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1631014https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1631014Tue, 19 Jan 2016 13:46:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2015 O Levels (Sec 4) on Sat, 16 Jan 2016 01:22:36 GMT]]>Any questions from trained computer programmer, KennethTutor ?


At least now you can write the program ?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1629368https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1629368Sat, 16 Jan 2016 01:22:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2015 O Levels (Sec 4) on Thu, 14 Jan 2016 17:17:21 GMT]]>

kennethTutor:


Thanks for pointing that out!

I am a trained computer programmer and am interested in this branch of statistics/selection algorithms, so my thought process is in terms on how the system will vet, filter & select the students.

Let's consider a simplified example, where demand outweighs supply (usually the case in top schools):

Suppose there are 15 places, and there are a total of 30 students vying for the 15 places. Out of the 30 students, 10 scored nett 6 (10 - 4), the next 10 scored nett 6 (8 - 2) and the last 10 scored nett 6 (6 - 0; I know it's almost impossible but let's assume they have zero bonus points). How do you think they will allocate the slots for the 15 places?

Let me know what you think!
Thanks for your question.

I really like to ask questions to trained computer programmer.

From your example, you are not detailed enough from a computer programmer point of view. You are assuming there are only 30 vying for 15 but you must asked how to they reach this stage ? How did the algorithm works to get here ? You cannot write an algorithm based on your info.

The algorithm is someone similar to those in PSLE as to how they allocate students to secondary school. There difference now is that there is no range for the grades to rank the students. So, how to the computer starts selecting ? Obviously the top student (ie ranking number 1) will select his choice first. Those rank number 1 will get his 1st choice obviously.

So, the question to be asked is, how do you rank all the 29,000 students ?

For simplicity, we just assumed that there are only bonus points of 2 and 4 (meaning only -2 and -4)

Then the algorithm goes like this.

First those with the lowest nett score gets to select the school. So, 2 is the lowest bcos there are 6 subjects in L1R5 (ie 6-4=2)

So all those Singaporean with 6-4=2 gets to select which school they wanna go. If there are say 8 Singapreans with 6-4=2, the these 8 students are randomly selected by computer to see who gets to select first.

The next batch are PRs with 6-4=2

Then international students with 6-4=2

Then, it goes to the next number up, ie batch with score 3 and so on ...

When it reach batch with score 4, it is like this

The next batch are Singaporeans with 6-2=4

Then Singaporeans with 8-4=4

Then PRs with 6-2=4

Then RRs with 8-4=4

Then international students with 6-2=4

Then international students with 8-4=4

Then, it goes to the next number up, ie batch with 5 and so on ...

Hope that helps

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1628716https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1628716Thu, 14 Jan 2016 17:17:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2015 O Levels (Sec 4) on Wed, 13 Jan 2016 23:39:35 GMT]]>Please also visit this link for discussions on 2015 O level results:


http://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum ... 8&start=10

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1628035https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1628035Wed, 13 Jan 2016 23:39:35 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2015 O Levels (Sec 4) on Wed, 13 Jan 2016 17:30:08 GMT]]>

zbear:
I am curious and also off-topic but this selection by MOE is only for S1 Posting n JAE admission?


What about Uni applications?
MOE has control of the administration of the Government and Government-aided primary schools, secondary schools, junior colleges, and a centralised institute. Universities and polytechnics are governed by their own statutory act and they are managed by their own board / senate (i.e. they are ran like a separate statutory board).
P/S: it also means that MOE can't issue a Directive to them as per S1 Posting / JAE. MOE can try to suggest but it's up to the institution to accept / ignore.

Given that universities, as well as polytechnics, apply their own set of rules, you will need a separate thread for each university / polytechnic since you can't lump them into one.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1627987https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1627987Wed, 13 Jan 2016 17:30:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2015 O Levels (Sec 4) on Wed, 13 Jan 2016 16:10:16 GMT]]>hi! fyi, scgs’ mean is 9.9 πŸ™‚ students and teachers alike are very happy as it is a single digit mean this year!

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1627969https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1627969Wed, 13 Jan 2016 16:10:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2015 O Levels (Sec 4) on Wed, 13 Jan 2016 08:13:00 GMT]]>A good write-up on JC vs Poly route : http://hedgehogcomms.blogspot.sg/2016/0 ... s.html?m=1

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1627742https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1627742Wed, 13 Jan 2016 08:13:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2015 O Levels (Sec 4) on Wed, 13 Jan 2016 00:29:24 GMT]]>I am curious and also off-topic but this selection by MOE is only for S1 Posting n JAE admission?


What about Uni applications?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1627389https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1627389Wed, 13 Jan 2016 00:29:24 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2015 O Levels (Sec 4) on Wed, 13 Jan 2016 00:09:12 GMT]]>

kennethTutor:
VitoRelax:


Please see section 1.3 of the booklet.

All students are first based on nett, not raw score of L1R5. so 10-4=6 is the same as those who get 8-2=6.

However, if there is one last place left, priority first go to singaporean, then PR then overseas student. If all are sinagorean, then 8-2=6 gets priority over 10-4=6. if still the same, then computer ballot.

Thanks for pointing that out!

I am a trained computer programmer and am interested in this branch of statistics/selection algorithms, so my thought process is in terms on how the system will vet, filter & select the students.

Let's consider a simplified example, where demand outweighs supply (usually the case in top schools):

Suppose there are 15 places, and there are a total of 30 students vying for the 15 places. Out of the 30 students, 10 scored nett 6 (10 - 4), the next 10 scored nett 6 (8 - 2) and the last 10 scored nett 6 (6 - 0; I know it's almost impossible but let's assume they have zero bonus points). How do you think they will allocate the slots for the 15 places?

Let me know what you think!

Base on my understanding of the text posted by Vitorelax, the criteria is:
1. Nett score, prioritise by Nationality, Singaporean > PR > Overseas student
2. Raw score

In the example given, the nationalities of the students are not indicated. Thus, the algorithm will probably \"hang\", pending more information.

If all the students are Singaporeans, then all 10 x (6-0) will be admitted. The remaining 5 seats will be selected from the pool of (8-2) by computer ballot.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1627374https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1627374Wed, 13 Jan 2016 00:09:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2015 O Levels (Sec 4) on Tue, 12 Jan 2016 19:28:42 GMT]]>

VitoRelax:
kennethTutor:



1. Hello. The cut-off for ACJC Science stream in 2015 is 6. So, your child meets the criteria. However, selection is usually done by merit. Say there are two students now. Student A has raw L1R5 of 6 while Student B has nett L1R5 of 6 after deductions. Student A will be accepted first based on merit.

2. So, in other words, ACJC will accept all the students with raw score 6 before those with nett score 6. Your child's chances depend on the number of students who scored better than her.

3. That said, students with raw score 6 will probably have a nett score of 4/3/2, so they may be going for JCs like HCI, RJC, VJC and NJC.

While you are correct in para 3, your explanation 1 and 2 is quite misleading. Please see section 1.3 of the booklet.

All students are first based on nett, not raw score of L1R5. so 10-4=6 is the same as those who get 8-2=6.

However, if there is one last place left, priority first go to singaporean, then PR then overseas student. If all are sinagorean, then 8-2=6 gets priority over 10-4=6. if still the same, then computer ballot.

Thanks for pointing that out!

I am a trained computer programmer and am interested in this branch of statistics/selection algorithms, so my thought process is in terms on how the system will vet, filter & select the students.

Let's consider a simplified example, where demand outweighs supply (usually the case in top schools):

Suppose there are 15 places, and there are a total of 30 students vying for the 15 places. Out of the 30 students, 10 scored nett 6 (10 - 4), the next 10 scored nett 6 (8 - 2) and the last 10 scored nett 6 (6 - 0; I know it's almost impossible but let's assume they have zero bonus points). How do you think they will allocate the slots for the 15 places?

Let me know what you think!

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1627344https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1627344Tue, 12 Jan 2016 19:28:42 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2015 O Levels (Sec 4) on Tue, 12 Jan 2016 18:09:52 GMT]]>

psle sad mum:

thanks for the response! who can get in if two ppl both 6 nett one with hmt and one without?
If there is one last place left, priority first go to singaporean, then PR then overseas student. If all are sinagorean, then 8-2=6 gets priority over 10-4=6. if still the same, then computer ballot.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1627337https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1627337Tue, 12 Jan 2016 18:09:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2015 O Levels (Sec 4) on Tue, 12 Jan 2016 18:07:50 GMT]]>

kennethTutor:


1. Hello. The cut-off for ACJC Science stream in 2015 is 6. So, your child meets the criteria. However, selection is usually done by merit. Say there are two students now. Student A has raw L1R5 of 6 while Student B has nett L1R5 of 6 after deductions. Student A will be accepted first based on merit.

2. So, in other words, ACJC will accept all the students with raw score 6 before those with nett score 6. Your child's chances depend on the number of students who scored better than her.

3. That said, students with raw score 6 will probably have a nett score of 4/3/2, so they may be going for JCs like HCI, RJC, VJC and NJC.
While you are correct in para 3, your explanation 1 and 2 is quite misleading. Please see section 1.3 of the booklet.

All students are first based on nett, not raw score of L1R5. so 10-4=6 is the same as those who get 8-2=6.

However, if there is one last place left, priority first go to singaporean, then PR then overseas student. If all are sinagorean, then 8-2=6 gets priority over 10-4=6. if still the same, then computer ballot.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1627336https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1627336Tue, 12 Jan 2016 18:07:50 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2015 O Levels (Sec 4) on Tue, 12 Jan 2016 10:37:44 GMT]]>

kennethTutor:
psle sad mum:

my dd got 6 nett what are her chances of acjc sic stream? do ac have hybrid ? TIA


Hello. The cut-off for ACJC Science stream in 2015 is 6. So, your child meets the criteria. However, selection is usually done by merit. Say there are two students now. Student A has raw L1R5 of 6 while Student B has nett L1R5 of 6 after deductions. Student A will be accepted first based on merit.

So, in other words, ACJC will accept all the students with raw score 6 before those with nett score 6. Your child's chances depend on the number of students who scored better than her.

That said, students with raw score 6 will probably have a nett score of 4/3/2, so they may be going for JCs like HCI, RJC, VJC and NJC.


What do mean by hybrid? Do you mean mixed subject combinations like 2 Art & 2 Science subjects? You can visit the open house to find out more! I think it is 13 Jan 12pm - 5pm.

thanks for the response! who can get in if two ppl both 6 nett one with hmt and one without?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1627164https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1627164Tue, 12 Jan 2016 10:37:44 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2015 O Levels (Sec 4) on Tue, 12 Jan 2016 06:59:11 GMT]]>

psle sad mum:
my dd got 6 nett what are her chances of acjc sic stream? do ac have hybrid ? TIA

Hello. The cut-off for ACJC Science stream in 2015 is 6. So, your child meets the criteria. However, selection is usually done by merit. Say there are two students now. Student A has raw L1R5 of 6 while Student B has nett L1R5 of 6 after deductions. Student A will be accepted first based on merit.

So, in other words, ACJC will accept all the students with raw score 6 before those with nett score 6. Your child's chances depend on the number of students who scored better than her.

That said, students with raw score 6 will probably have a nett score of 4/3/2, so they may be going for JCs like HCI, RJC, VJC and NJC.


What do mean by hybrid? Do you mean mixed subject combinations like 2 Art & 2 Science subjects? You can visit the open house to find out more! I think it is 13 Jan 12pm - 5pm.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1627018https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1627018Tue, 12 Jan 2016 06:59:11 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2015 O Levels (Sec 4) on Mon, 11 Jan 2016 22:16:20 GMT]]>It seems all the excellent results received & kudos to the students & their parents.

Like any other exam, there are some who didnt expect such unexpected results.
There are now more options in furthering than before.
So whether u did well or not so well, jia you!

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1626675https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1626675Mon, 11 Jan 2016 22:16:20 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2015 O Levels (Sec 4) on Mon, 11 Jan 2016 17:35:08 GMT]]>my dd got 6 nett what are her chances of acjc sic stream? do ac have hybrid ? TIA

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1626669https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1626669Mon, 11 Jan 2016 17:35:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2015 O Levels (Sec 4) on Mon, 11 Jan 2016 15:55:52 GMT]]>How come now so few discussion of O level results ?


Is this year’s O level results better then 2014 batch by a lot ?

Does that mean the COP for all JCs this year will also go down ?

thanks

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1626652https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1626652Mon, 11 Jan 2016 15:55:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2015 O Levels (Sec 4) on Mon, 11 Jan 2016 08:57:59 GMT]]>Heard from my DS Victoria school o level median score for L1 R5 is 10.4. Very good result.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1626462https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1626462Mon, 11 Jan 2016 08:57:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2015 O Levels (Sec 4) on Mon, 11 Jan 2016 07:23:33 GMT]]>Son said 3 girls in his school scored less than 11 points.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1626423https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1626423Mon, 11 Jan 2016 07:23:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2015 O Levels (Sec 4) on Sun, 10 Jan 2016 15:13:59 GMT]]>

zbear:
iFirefly:

[quote=\"zbear\"]Good luck to all 2015 Sec 4 students.


May you get what you wish for tomorrow.

πŸ˜„

All The Best to your DS, zbear ! DS1 will be receiving his O Level HCL results tomorrow too.. πŸ˜„

Best Wishes to all Sec-4 students tomorrow !! :rahrah:

Thanks IFF. Good luck to your DS1 !!!! Is he nervous? I remembered my DD was the nite before the release of her HCL results 2 years ago. [/quote]DS seldom gets nervous over anything. I'll be the one who can't sleep tonight.. :oops:

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1626105https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1626105Sun, 10 Jan 2016 15:13:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2015 O Levels (Sec 4) on Sun, 10 Jan 2016 14:41:12 GMT]]>

iFirefly:
zbear:

Good luck to all 2015 Sec 4 students.


May you get what you wish for tomorrow.

πŸ˜„

All The Best to your DS, zbear ! DS1 will be receiving his O Level HCL results tomorrow too.. πŸ˜„

Best Wishes to all Sec-4 students tomorrow !! :rahrah:


Thanks IFF. Good luck to your DS1 !!!! Is he nervous? I remembered my DD was the nite before the release of her HCL results 2 years ago.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1626092https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1626092Sun, 10 Jan 2016 14:41:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2015 O Levels (Sec 4) on Sun, 10 Jan 2016 14:09:45 GMT]]>All the best to all O level school leavers of 2015 πŸ™‚


Remember.. no matter what happens, your parents and family members will always love you deeply πŸ™‚

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