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mommyNg:
ChiefKiasu:

[quote=\"havok_ex\"]Why not? I think its very possible. Me and my cousin had no tuition except for A math in secondary school. None in our neighbourhood JC. But both of us are in local uni now. Without much parent intervention either. Our parents never got past N-levels. They catch no ball when talking about A-level curriculum so they left us alone.


Have you looked at the study materials the kids learn these days? It was certainly possible to get by without additional coaching during our days, but I doubt we could even make it to the top 25% if we are to compete with the calibre of kids in school today.

err.. My current sec 1 kid did not have tuition in her primary school days (though I admit I succumbed to kiasuness for a while and tried to sign her up for tuition previously but it only lasted for a few lessons, and then she was off to her own again). I am a FT working mum, the only time I \"coached\" her was when I nagged at her \"have you done your homework?\", \"are you revising your work?\". She relied mainly on her teachers, her friends, her notes, and past year papers. She scored the top 5% (or thereabout) in PSLE last year. I have another friend whose dd also did well with good PSLE scores with no tuition at all (top 10%). My friend also working mum.

So, it is possible to get by without tuition in today's standards. It is a matter of the parents' expectation. Some parents die die want their kids to go to GEP, to go to the top school, to go to the \"best\" school possible. 可怜天下父母心。 With no tuition, we may have a natural bell curve, with some children doing well, and some children doing not so well. With tuition, the bell curve gets skewed, especially towards those who can afford expensive tuition classes.[/quote]Wow! Thanks for sharing! Lighten my day 😃

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limlim:
sushi88:

[quote=\"ChiefKiasu\"]

See... it takes a pirate to understand a penguin... :evil:

Cos all water beings... 🦆

水性洋花？[/quote]omg...you are hilarious... :rotflmao:

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1503759https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1503759Mon, 11 May 2015 04:47:48 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Why Singapore is cracking down on 'Tiger Mums' on Mon, 11 May 2015 04:46:56 GMT]]>

limlim:
havok_ex:


Yes, marrying into a rich family may be the fastest way to being rich. .

Nope. Fastest way is Singaporepools.

The probability of getting rich via Singaporepools is much lesser than using charm to woo someone.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1503757https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1503757Mon, 11 May 2015 04:46:56 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Why Singapore is cracking down on 'Tiger Mums' on Mon, 11 May 2015 04:45:38 GMT]]>

pirate:
sushi88:

[quote=\"ChiefKiasu\"]

See... it takes a pirate to understand a penguin... :evil:

Cos all water beings... 🦆

http://images.clipartof.com/thumbnails/1229676-Clipart-Of-A-3d-Pirate-Penguin-With-A-Sword-Royalty-Free-Illustration.jpg\">[/quote]Is that tango?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1503756https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1503756Mon, 11 May 2015 04:45:38 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Why Singapore is cracking down on 'Tiger Mums' on Mon, 11 May 2015 04:45:32 GMT]]>

zbear:
But everyone knows so what is there to hide?

Are you referring to LC?
You mean you knew what he was trying to hide BEFORE he died? :?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1503755https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1503755Mon, 11 May 2015 04:45:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Why Singapore is cracking down on 'Tiger Mums' on Mon, 11 May 2015 04:44:46 GMT]]>

sushi88:
ChiefKiasu:

[quote=\"pirate\"]I don't think Chief is bluffing. He never said he was not pak torring with somebody else before 20... :imanangel:


See... it takes a pirate to understand a penguin... :evil:

Cos all water beings... 🦆[/quote]水性洋花？

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1503754https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1503754Mon, 11 May 2015 04:44:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Why Singapore is cracking down on 'Tiger Mums' on Mon, 11 May 2015 04:39:45 GMT]]>

havok_ex:

Yes, marrying into a rich family may be the fastest way to being rich. .
Nope. Fastest way is Singaporepools.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1503748https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1503748Mon, 11 May 2015 04:39:45 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Why Singapore is cracking down on 'Tiger Mums' on Mon, 11 May 2015 04:38:05 GMT]]>But everyone knows so what is there to hide?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1503747https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1503747Mon, 11 May 2015 04:38:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Why Singapore is cracking down on 'Tiger Mums' on Mon, 11 May 2015 04:37:01 GMT]]>

limlim:
sushi88:

[quote=\"limlim\"]
Don't need strong heart.. strong financially can already.

If I got the money to spend anyway I like, I don't care what other pple says. Why would I bother? Maybe I can even just anyhow shoot a few lawyers letter as and when I feel like it.. :evil:

Celebrities with a lot of money also can commit suicide. Leslie Cheung.

Due to public pressure?[/quote]As a public figure, his public pressure is always to hide what he does not want the public to know.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1503746https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1503746Mon, 11 May 2015 04:37:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Why Singapore is cracking down on 'Tiger Mums' on Mon, 11 May 2015 04:30:25 GMT]]>

sushi88:
limlim:

[quote=\"sushi88\"]
Most importantly, must have a strong heart to take all criticisms of her lifetyle. Look at Jamie Chua. 😂

Don't need strong heart.. strong financially can already.

If I got the money to spend anyway I like, I don't care what other pple says. Why would I bother? Maybe I can even just anyhow shoot a few lawyers letter as and when I feel like it.. :evil:

Celebrities with a lot of money also can commit suicide. Leslie Cheung.[/quote]Due to public pressure?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1503740https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1503740Mon, 11 May 2015 04:30:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Why Singapore is cracking down on 'Tiger Mums' on Sun, 10 May 2015 22:46:29 GMT]]>aren’t there Tiger Dads?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1503552https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1503552Sun, 10 May 2015 22:46:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Why Singapore is cracking down on 'Tiger Mums' on Fri, 08 May 2015 09:53:26 GMT]]>

concern2:
ChiefKiasu:

Whether we like it or not, the best parents can do is to light the paths. Whether our kids will trod in the direction that we want them to depends very much on whether they think it is worth their while. I believe the majority of parents understand this. So instead of lamblasting parents for over-investing in tuition or enrichment services, perhaps the powers-to-be should be more transparent about the kinds of jobs they are anticipating for future Singaporeans, so that the kids have a better understanding of what will be available, and start working on a trajectory that allow them to land the careers they desire.


:? I thot the their had been very clear on that - look at the ITEs they've been building! 😉

Cleaner, garbage collector and security guard jobs will always be available. 😉

The question is how many $10k++ a month jobs for ITE grads are they creating? :siam:

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1502525https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1502525Fri, 08 May 2015 09:53:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Why Singapore is cracking down on 'Tiger Mums' on Fri, 08 May 2015 09:47:22 GMT]]>Not everyone would be so blessed like havok_ex and his/her cousin that are so self-motivated... 🙂


As a parent, i want to help to bring the best out of my child - Kiasu? - Confirm. Tiger mum, yes and no/to certain extent perhaps?

I send my son to tuition class (Math - i was on waitlist for this very popular tuition centre... for one year!) and intend to teach him English and Mandarin myself. Science - i will leave him to figure out.

My son has attention span issue - no not ADHD / ADD but he had motor skills issues, some attention issues. As his mum, would i just do nothing and leave him as is? No. Not especially when after the test, it is noted his IQ is exceptional - i want to provide him an outlet to be able to develop to his best potential, if possible. But thereafter, it is really up to him - DS has to want to develop further too and strive too.

It takes two hands to clap/work.

Nothing wrong with Tiger Mums / Dads if exercised with some grounded thoughts, i think?

Without degree, in most firms, you are not in the \"Insider\" group. And even with a degree, where is your degree subtly defines you into another group... like it or not, unconscious bias is big everywhere.

Just my two cents worth.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1502520https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1502520Fri, 08 May 2015 09:47:22 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Why Singapore is cracking down on 'Tiger Mums' on Fri, 08 May 2015 09:20:55 GMT]]>

zbear:
jetsetter:


but who in the world needs tuition for A levels?! :siao:

in fact i was just asking someone why A level threads are active here. is it cos our parents weren't connected by internet in the dino age, not that they didn't chat with their peers at kopitiam last time?

Apparently your kids are not studying in JCs.

Why don't you look at the syabullus (wrong sp) n spend a semester or so in a JC as a student before making such comments?

This year is 2015 and not 1995.

😉


Yeah, but you chopped off my enclosed quote of havok_ex leh...

havok_ex told us last night he is 22 years old now and had no JC tuition, so that should be in 2011 when he took his A Levels?

His point as I interpreted was: it's possible without A Level tuition in the 2010s, just like in the 1990s or earlier.

jetsetter:
havok_ex:

Why not? I think its very possible. Me and my cousin had no tuition except for A math in secondary school. None in our neighbourhood JC. But both of us are in local uni now. Without much parent intervention either. Our parents never got past N-levels. They catch no ball when talking about A-level curriculum so they left us alone.

but who in the world needs tuition for A levels?! :siao:

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1502500https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1502500Fri, 08 May 2015 09:20:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Why Singapore is cracking down on 'Tiger Mums' on Fri, 08 May 2015 08:57:29 GMT]]>

ChiefKiasu:
Whether we like it or not, the best parents can do is to light the paths. Whether our kids will trod in the direction that we want them to depends very much on whether they think it is worth their while. I believe the majority of parents understand this. So instead of lamblasting parents for over-investing in tuition or enrichment services, perhaps the powers-to-be should be more transparent about the kinds of jobs they are anticipating for future Singaporeans, so that the kids have a better understanding of what will be available, and start working on a trajectory that allow them to land the careers they desire.

:? I thot the their had been very clear on that - look at the ITEs they've been building! 😉

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1502484https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1502484Fri, 08 May 2015 08:57:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Why Singapore is cracking down on 'Tiger Mums' on Fri, 08 May 2015 07:20:36 GMT]]>The tuition industry is fueled by our emphasis on meritocracy. It does not matter what the syllabus or curriculum is and whether it has changed. All that matters is the bell curve, ie. how the others do. In such a gladiatorial environment, parents cannot be faulted for trying to give their children the best training and equipment they can afford. Tuition will exist so long as there is meritocracy. There is no good or bad about it.


Whether academic achievements is viewed as more important than other types of achievements (eg. skills based) is simply a reflection of the market. While we can say that it is shallow to only consider $$$, even the PAP had thrown in the towel long ago and conceded via ministerial salaries that they have to let the money do the talking.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1502426https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1502426Fri, 08 May 2015 07:20:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Why Singapore is cracking down on 'Tiger Mums' on Fri, 08 May 2015 06:40:40 GMT]]>Some kids do well without tuition, cos they are self motivated and willing to ask and learn. Some kids need extra coaching from tuition to do better. Some kids need to be pushed by tutors and parents to do better. To each his own.


As parents, we want to maximise our kid’s potential and we know our kids. I am sure if you are a parent who has a not so self-motivated kid, you will also try all ways to maximise his potential, knowing well that he can be better. To or not to have tuition is an individual choice. Government cannot say that we should all ‘let nature takes its own course’ and leave kids as they are to grow and learn. Having tuition is not equivalent to being "tiger parents" fueling the tuition industry.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1502408https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1502408Fri, 08 May 2015 06:40:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Why Singapore is cracking down on 'Tiger Mums' on Fri, 08 May 2015 06:31:18 GMT]]>The related question here is whether Tiger Mums are responsible for driving the tuition industry, which plays a role in reinforcing the conception that academic achievement (thus university-bound) is more important than other types of achievement (e.g., skills-based).

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1502404https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1502404Fri, 08 May 2015 06:31:18 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Why Singapore is cracking down on 'Tiger Mums' on Fri, 08 May 2015 06:14:16 GMT]]>Are we going into the same old boring debate on tuition again?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1502377https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1502377Fri, 08 May 2015 06:14:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Why Singapore is cracking down on 'Tiger Mums' on Fri, 08 May 2015 05:32:29 GMT]]>

ChiefKiasu:
havok_ex:

Why not? I think its very possible. Me and my cousin had no tuition except for A math in secondary school. None in our neighbourhood JC. But both of us are in local uni now. Without much parent intervention either. Our parents never got past N-levels. They catch no ball when talking about A-level curriculum so they left us alone.


Have you looked at the study materials the kids learn these days? It was certainly possible to get by without additional coaching during our days, but I doubt we could even make it to the top 25% if we are to compete with the calibre of kids in school today.

err.. My current sec 1 kid did not have tuition in her primary school days (though I admit I succumbed to kiasuness for a while and tried to sign her up for tuition previously but it only lasted for a few lessons, and then she was off to her own again). I am a FT working mum, the only time I \"coached\" her was when I nagged at her \"have you done your homework?\", \"are you revising your work?\". She relied mainly on her teachers, her friends, her notes, and past year papers. She scored the top 5% (or thereabout) in PSLE last year. I have another friend whose dd also did well with good PSLE scores with no tuition at all (top 10%). My friend also working mum.

So, it is possible to get by without tuition in today's standards. It is a matter of the parents' expectation. Some parents die die want their kids to go to GEP, to go to the top school, to go to the \"best\" school possible. 可怜天下父母心。 With no tuition, we may have a natural bell curve, with some children doing well, and some children doing not so well. With tuition, the bell curve gets skewed, especially towards those who can afford expensive tuition classes.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1502348https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1502348Fri, 08 May 2015 05:32:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Why Singapore is cracking down on 'Tiger Mums' on Fri, 08 May 2015 02:32:10 GMT]]>

jetsetter:

but who in the world needs tuition for A levels?! :siao:

in fact i was just asking someone why A level threads are active here. is it cos our parents weren't connected by internet in the dino age, not that they didn't chat with their peers at kopitiam last time?
Apparently your kids are not studying in JCs.

Why don't you look at the syabullus (wrong sp) n spend a semester or so in a JC as a student before making such comments?

This year is 2015 and not 1995.

😉

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1502243https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1502243Fri, 08 May 2015 02:32:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Why Singapore is cracking down on 'Tiger Mums' on Fri, 08 May 2015 01:18:08 GMT]]>

pirate:
sushi88:

[quote=\"ChiefKiasu\"]
See... it takes a pirate to understand a penguin... :evil:

Cos all water beings... 🦆

http://images.clipartof.com/thumbnails/1229676-Clipart-Of-A-3d-Pirate-Penguin-With-A-Sword-Royalty-Free-Illustration.jpg\">[/quote].... Who evolved into who arh?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1502204https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1502204Fri, 08 May 2015 01:18:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Why Singapore is cracking down on 'Tiger Mums' on Fri, 08 May 2015 01:08:17 GMT]]>

sushi88:
ChiefKiasu:

[quote=\"pirate\"]I don't think Chief is bluffing. He never said he was not pak torring with somebody else before 20... :imanangel:


See... it takes a pirate to understand a penguin... :evil:

Cos all water beings... 🦆[/quote]http://images.clipartof.com/thumbnails/1229676-Clipart-Of-A-3d-Pirate-Penguin-With-A-Sword-Royalty-Free-Illustration.jpg\">

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1502197https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1502197Fri, 08 May 2015 01:08:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Why Singapore is cracking down on 'Tiger Mums' on Thu, 07 May 2015 23:40:41 GMT]]>

ChiefKiasu:
pirate:

I don't think Chief is bluffing. He never said he was not pak torring with somebody else before 20... :imanangel:


See... it takes a pirate to understand a penguin... :evil:

Cos all water beings... 🦆

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1502150https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1502150Thu, 07 May 2015 23:40:41 GMT