2016 JCs COP and posting results

Reply to 2016 JCs COP and posting results on Thu, 03 Mar 2016 01:12:02 GMT

jetsetter — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 01:12:02 GMT

Btw, this piece of news didn’t gain traction as it’s just another routine reporting in Parl by minister in charge.

like some have said, the rest just picked other tertiary routes: overseas unis, polys, etc. Not very newsworthy if u think about it. Wasn’t even up on MOE website as of yesterday.

Reply to 2016 JCs COP and posting results on Thu, 03 Mar 2016 01:06:33 GMT

jetsetter — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 01:06:33 GMT

Nebbermind:
jetsetter:

A few reasons:
1. Only Ng Eng Hen tabulated the data during his term (2007-2011). Subsequently, MOE stopped tabulating... :evil:
2. No, MOE didn't stop tabulating, but the figure of people getting into AUs during HSK's era had gone up, i.e. fewer people are going to polys/overseas institutions/out to work but are still going for conventional uni route. And that seems to go against what his new stat board is preaching: http://www.todayonline.com/singapore/ong-ye-kung-underscores-inter-operability-among-qualification-systems, etc.
3. Dr LWK's strategic framing of his PQ. Did he only request MOE for that range?

:siam:
Assuming 2011 refers to the A level batch, then they would have been able to apply for local uni for 2012 intake onwards.
The boys would be in the 2014 intake...maybe they have data up to 2014, or 2015 for those who spent another year redoing A level...maybe only...

Btw, how many years can they spend in JC? 4? Repeat Y1 n Y2?

Very possible, if there's a 3 yr lag before they could extract the male intake data in their year of matriculation.

I just thought the range was interesting as it maps squarely onto one term of office (2007-2011). Dr LWK had asked for data \"in the last 5 years\".

Think those who retook as pte candidates after Yr 2 may be treated as negligible. The minority that were retained in Yr 1 would have been computed w the following year's batch.

Reply to 2016 JCs COP and posting results on Thu, 03 Mar 2016 00:52:20 GMT

floppy — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 00:52:20 GMT

Nebbermind:

Btw, how many years can they spend in JC? 4? Repeat Y1 n Y2?

4 years max, although repeating JC 2 is at the college's discretion. You will probably have to fail almost all your subjects at A level exam while maintaining good grades during normal school term to have a chance of repeating.

Reply to 2016 JCs COP and posting results on Thu, 03 Mar 2016 00:20:12 GMT

Nebbermind — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 00:20:12 GMT

jetsetter:

A few reasons:
1. Only Ng Eng Hen tabulated the data during his term (2007-2011). Subsequently, MOE stopped tabulating... :evil:
2. No, MOE didn't stop tabulating, but the figure of people getting into AUs during HSK's era had gone up, i.e. fewer people are going to polys/overseas institutions/out to work but are still going for conventional uni route. And that seems to go against what his new stat board is preaching: http://www.todayonline.com/singapore/ong-ye-kung-underscores-inter-operability-among-qualification-systems, etc.
3. Dr LWK's strategic framing of his PQ. Did he only request MOE for that range?

:siam:

Assuming 2011 refers to the A level batch, then they would have been able to apply for local uni for 2012 intake onwards.
The boys would be in the 2014 intake...maybe they have data up to 2014, or 2015 for those who spent another year redoing A level...maybe only...

Btw, how many years can they spend in JC? 4? Repeat Y1 n Y2?

Reply to 2016 JCs COP and posting results on Thu, 03 Mar 2016 00:04:21 GMT

jtoh — Thu, 03 Mar 2016 00:04:21 GMT

isetan:

Could some of these join the poly route?

Of course. The stats just refer to A level students who didn't go on to the local unis. They could've gone on to polys, overseas unis (inclusive of ivy leagues and oxbridge), foundation years overseas, correspondence unis.... Or just taken a gap year... That's why I don't think the stats are very meaningful bec a lot of students could have gone on to further studies, just not at SMU, NTU, NUS...

Reply to 2016 JCs COP and posting results on Wed, 02 Mar 2016 23:14:23 GMT

sharonkhoo — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 23:14:23 GMT

isetan:
Could some of these join the poly route?

I'm sure some do. There are some poly courses that ask for A levels, and there will be those who have A levels but decide to do a poly course if they can't (or don't want to) get into university. The number of these should be fairly small, though.

Reply to 2016 JCs COP and posting results on Wed, 02 Mar 2016 14:58:27 GMT

Jennifer — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 14:58:27 GMT

Jennifer:
floppy:
In today's news,

About three in ten A-Level students chose not to, or were unable to progress to a full-time programme in a local autonomous university from 2007 to 2011, according to Acting Minister for Education Ong Ye Kung. This comes up to about 4,400 students per year.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/mobile/singapore/4-400-a-level-students-do/2559042.html?cid=fbsg
Mr Ong said that of the 4,400 students in each annual batch, about two in five - or 1,600 per year - were male students who have served their National Service.

\"Most of the students who do not progress to the local autonomous universities have been pursuing other upgrading options based on their interest and strengths, such as polytechnics, arts institutions, overseas universities and private education institutions, or proceed to work,\" Mr Ong said.

Reply to 2016 JCs COP and posting results on Wed, 02 Mar 2016 14:43:34 GMT

isetan — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 14:43:34 GMT

jtoh:
starlight1968sg:
[quote=\"floppy\"]In today's news,

About three in ten A-Level students chose not to, or were unable to progress to a full-time programme in a local autonomous university from 2007 to 2011, according to Acting Minister for Education Ong Ye Kung. This comes up to about 4,400 students per year.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/mobile/singapore/4-400-a-level-students-do/2559042.html?cid=fbsg
Does this mean 30% of students who took A levels couldn't proceed to NUS or NTU?

No. The stats just mean that 30% did not go to the local unis. Some could have gone on to overseas unis or qualified for local unis and chose not to go uni. The stats don't say very much actually.[/quote]Could some of these join the poly route?

Reply to 2016 JCs COP and posting results on Wed, 02 Mar 2016 06:23:26 GMT

jtoh — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 06:23:26 GMT

starlight1968sg:
floppy:
In today's news,

About three in ten A-Level students chose not to, or were unable to progress to a full-time programme in a local autonomous university from 2007 to 2011, according to Acting Minister for Education Ong Ye Kung. This comes up to about 4,400 students per year.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/mobile/singapore/4-400-a-level-students-do/2559042.html?cid=fbsg
Does this mean 30% of students who took A levels couldn't proceed to NUS or NTU?

No. The stats just mean that 30% did not go to the local unis. Some could have gone on to overseas unis or qualified for local unis and chose not to go uni. The stats don't say very much actually.

Reply to 2016 JCs COP and posting results on Wed, 02 Mar 2016 06:02:00 GMT

jetsetter — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 06:02:00 GMT

floppy:
jetsetter:

I'm more tickled by the fact that his own Sembawang teammate posted a PQ for him to answer. :roll:

A few reasons:
1. Only Ng Eng Hen tabulated the data during his term (2007-2011). Subsequently, MOE stopped tabulating... :evil:
2. No, MOE didn't stop tabulating, but the figure of people getting into AUs during HSK's era had gone up, i.e. fewer people are going to polys/overseas institutions/out to work but are still going for conventional uni route. And that seems to go against what his new stat board is preaching: http://www.todayonline.com/singapore/ong-ye-kung-underscores-inter-operability-among-qualification-systems, etc.
3. Dr LWK's strategic framing of his PQ. Did he only request MOE for that range?

:siam:
1. You didn't get the memo? They are supposed to ownself check ownself

2. It's not possible that MOE stop tabulating. Knowing our civil service, they have data for the entire range. Perhaps Ag Min doesn't think it's relevant to reveal the rest of the info or the rest of the data doesn't fit in with his narrative (i.e. you could be right with point 2) :rotflmao: NB: there are lies, damned lies and statistics.

Not lies, but selective revelation nia...

I find the data too dated also. It's been 5 years... So how many didn't go to AUs? :scratchhead:

Reply to 2016 JCs COP and posting results on Wed, 02 Mar 2016 06:02:00 GMT

jetsetter — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 06:02:00 GMT

floppy:
jetsetter:

I'm more tickled by the fact that his own Sembawang teammate posted a PQ for him to answer. :roll:

A few reasons:
1. Only Ng Eng Hen tabulated the data during his term (2007-2011). Subsequently, MOE stopped tabulating... :evil:
2. No, MOE didn't stop tabulating, but the figure of people getting into AUs during HSK's era had gone up, i.e. fewer people are going to polys/overseas institutions/out to work but are still going for conventional uni route. And that seems to go against what his new stat board is preaching: http://www.todayonline.com/singapore/ong-ye-kung-underscores-inter-operability-among-qualification-systems, etc.
3. Dr LWK's strategic framing of his PQ. Did he only request MOE for that range?

:siam:
1. You didn't get the memo? They are supposed to ownself check ownself

2. It's not possible that MOE stop tabulating. Knowing our civil service, they have data for the entire range. Perhaps Ag Min doesn't think it's relevant to reveal the rest of the info or the rest of the data doesn't fit in with his narrative (i.e. you could be right with point 2) :rotflmao: NB: there are lies, damned lies and statistics.

Not lies, but selective revelation nia...

I find the data too dated also. It's been 5 years... So how many didn't go to AUs? :scratchhead:

Reply to 2016 JCs COP and posting results on Wed, 02 Mar 2016 05:37:37 GMT

floppy — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 05:37:37 GMT

starlight1968sg:
floppy:
In today's news,

About three in ten A-Level students chose not to, or were unable to progress to a full-time programme in a local autonomous university from 2007 to 2011, according to Acting Minister for Education Ong Ye Kung. This comes up to about 4,400 students per year.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/mobile/singapore/4-400-a-level-students-do/2559042.html?cid=fbsg
Does this mean 30% of students who took A levels couldn't proceed to NUS or NTU?

NUS, NTU, SMU.
That said, the number includes some (my guesstimate is at least 5 to 10% of the cohort) who went on to overseas universities on scholarship or father-mother sponsorship.

Reply to 2016 JCs COP and posting results on Wed, 02 Mar 2016 05:32:34 GMT

floppy — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 05:32:34 GMT

jetsetter:

I'm more tickled by the fact that his own Sembawang teammate posted a PQ for him to answer. :roll:

A few reasons:
1. Only Ng Eng Hen tabulated the data during his term (2007-2011). Subsequently, MOE stopped tabulating... :evil:
2. No, MOE didn't stop tabulating, but the figure of people getting into AUs during HSK's era had gone up, i.e. fewer people are going to polys/overseas institutions/out to work but are still going for conventional uni route. And that seems to go against what his new stat board is preaching: http://www.todayonline.com/singapore/ong-ye-kung-underscores-inter-operability-among-qualification-systems, etc.
3. Dr LWK's strategic framing of his PQ. Did he only request MOE for that range?

:siam:

1. You didn't get the memo? They are supposed to ownself check ownself

2. It's not possible that MOE stop tabulating. Knowing our civil service, they have data for the entire range. Perhaps Ag Min doesn't think it's relevant to reveal the rest of the info or the rest of the data doesn't fit in with his narrative (i.e. you could be right with point 2) :rotflmao: NB: there are lies, damned lies and statistics.

Reply to 2016 JCs COP and posting results on Wed, 02 Mar 2016 05:27:36 GMT

starlight1968sg — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 05:27:36 GMT

floppy:
In today's news,

About three in ten A-Level students chose not to, or were unable to progress to a full-time programme in a local autonomous university from 2007 to 2011, according to Acting Minister for Education Ong Ye Kung. This comes up to about 4,400 students per year.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/mobile/singapore/4-400-a-level-students-do/2559042.html?cid=fbsg

Does this mean 30% of students who took A levels couldn't proceed to NUS or NTU?

Reply to 2016 JCs COP and posting results on Wed, 02 Mar 2016 05:19:27 GMT

jetsetter — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 05:19:27 GMT

floppy:
ParkYuni:
[quote=\"floppy\"]In today's news,

About three in ten A-Level students chose not to, or were unable to progress to a full-time programme in a local autonomous university from 2007 to 2011, according to Acting Minister for Education Ong Ye Kung. This comes up to about 4,400 students per year.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/mobile/singapore/4-400-a-level-students-do/2559042.html?cid=fbsg
I wonder why MOE doesn't have the later statistics, i.e from 2012 to 2014?

I'm puzzled too.
Why did Ag Minister choose the cut off at 2011? Were there changes to the system that may affect the intake?[/quote]I'm more tickled by the fact that his own Sembawang teammate posted a PQ for him to answer. :roll:

A few reasons:
1. Only Ng Eng Hen tabulated the data during his term (2007-2011). Subsequently, MOE stopped tabulating... :evil:
2. No, MOE didn't stop tabulating, but the figure of people getting into AUs during HSK's era had gone up, i.e. fewer people are going to polys/overseas institutions/out to work but are still going for conventional uni route. And that seems to go against what his new stat board is preaching: http://www.todayonline.com/singapore/ong-ye-kung-underscores-inter-operability-among-qualification-systems, etc.
3. Dr LWK's strategic framing of his PQ. Did he only request MOE for that range?

:siam:

Reply to 2016 JCs COP and posting results on Wed, 02 Mar 2016 05:07:01 GMT

isetan — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 05:07:01 GMT

A lot of questions in my mind too. What abt those between 2012 to 2015?

Reply to 2016 JCs COP and posting results on Wed, 02 Mar 2016 04:16:11 GMT

floppy — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 04:16:11 GMT

ParkYuni:
floppy:
In today's news,

About three in ten A-Level students chose not to, or were unable to progress to a full-time programme in a local autonomous university from 2007 to 2011, according to Acting Minister for Education Ong Ye Kung. This comes up to about 4,400 students per year.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/mobile/singapore/4-400-a-level-students-do/2559042.html?cid=fbsg
I wonder why MOE doesn't have the later statistics, i.e from 2012 to 2014?

I'm puzzled too.
Why did Ag Minister choose the cut off at 2011? Were there changes to the system that may affect the intake?

Reply to 2016 JCs COP and posting results on Wed, 02 Mar 2016 03:38:03 GMT

ParkYuni — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 03:38:03 GMT

floppy:
In today's news,

About three in ten A-Level students chose not to, or were unable to progress to a full-time programme in a local autonomous university from 2007 to 2011, according to Acting Minister for Education Ong Ye Kung. This comes up to about 4,400 students per year.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/mobile/singapore/4-400-a-level-students-do/2559042.html?cid=fbsg

I wonder why MOE doesn't have the later statistics, i.e from 2012 to 2014?

Reply to 2016 JCs COP and posting results on Tue, 01 Mar 2016 04:46:53 GMT

Careermum — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 04:46:53 GMT

With increased affluence, probably more students can afford to go overseas nowadays.

Reply to 2016 JCs COP and posting results on Tue, 01 Mar 2016 04:32:32 GMT

Jennifer — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 04:32:32 GMT

floppy:
In today's news,

About three in ten A-Level students chose not to, or were unable to progress to a full-time programme in a local autonomous university from 2007 to 2011, according to Acting Minister for Education Ong Ye Kung. This comes up to about 4,400 students per year.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/mobile/singapore/4-400-a-level-students-do/2559042.html?cid=fbsg

Mr Ong said that of the 4,400 students in each annual batch, about two in five - or 1,600 per year - were male students who have served their National Service.

\"Most of the students who do not progress to the local autonomous universities have been pursuing other upgrading options based on their interest and strengths, such as polytechnics, arts institutions, overseas universities and private education institutions, or proceed to work,\" Mr Ong said.

Reply to 2016 JCs COP and posting results on Tue, 01 Mar 2016 03:35:44 GMT

floppy — Tue, 01 Mar 2016 03:35:44 GMT

In today's news,

About three in ten A-Level students chose not to, or were unable to progress to a full-time programme in a local autonomous university from 2007 to 2011, according to Acting Minister for Education Ong Ye Kung. This comes up to about 4,400 students per year.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/mobile/singapore/4-400-a-level-students-do/2559042.html?cid=fbsg

Reply to 2016 JCs COP and posting results on Mon, 29 Feb 2016 11:43:08 GMT

hello77 — Mon, 29 Feb 2016 11:43:08 GMT

KidCat:
Hi,

Do all JCs provide the same subject combination or it differs from JC to JC?

Is Physics a must to take in order for one to qualify for all engineering-related courses?

TIA.

Some JCs are more flexible, like NYJC, they allow you to choose your own combis, but at the expense of getting a bad timetable, like lessons can be: 8AM-12PM, then one last lesson at 4PM. Other schools have fixed combis.

Don't worry about Physics because unis have bridging courses. Bio students have historically, and still can today, surpass other classmates with Physics background in uni. All boils down to hard work.

Reply to 2016 JCs COP and posting results on Sat, 27 Feb 2016 02:26:52 GMT

jtoh — Sat, 27 Feb 2016 02:26:52 GMT

KidCat:
Hi,

Do all JCs provide the same subject combination or it differs from JC to JC?

Is Physics a must to take in order for one to qualify for all engineering-related courses?

TIA.

Different JCs offer different subject combinations and may have different pre-requisites for taking them. Even the pre-requisite for taking 4H2s vs 3H2s may differ from JC to JC.

This link provides the pre-requisites for taking engineering at NUS. You can google for NTU's requirements. Different engineering programmes have different criteria. Some require M + P + C. Some M + P or C. Some only M + P.

http://www.eng.nus.edu.sg/ugrad/prospec ... sions.html