pirate:

An electric car is still considered by LTA to be a motor car. Why is an electric cycle not considered a motor cycle?


Can I put an electric motor on a kiddie pedal car and freely zip along on our roads? :?

Nebbermind:

atrecord:

I am glad that there are level-headed people like you around, recognizing that the current infrastructure and culture here as not ready for those e- or motorized bikes/scooters yet.

There are far too many people who see these as the perfect loophole to maximize their own convenience and cost-savings, and in the process making the pavements and roads here a complete hazard.

I was upset to read that there some motorcyclists gave up the motorbikes as COE is too expensive, and went to buy e- or motorized bikes and went to modify them to be (almost) as fast as motorbikes, and use them both on the roads and on pavements, whichever is to their convenience. In the process, they save on road tax, carpark, insurance, petrol - and then inconvenience/endanger everyone else who has been using the pavements and roads all these years!

Not onlky coz COE too high...some kenna suspended and can't ride. So m-bike not only allows them to ride when suspended but also they donch need insurance (you can't claim against them if they knock you down) and also there's hardly any traffic enforcement on ebike...worse than when they had licence.

atrecord:

I am glad that there are level-headed people like you around, recognizing that the current infrastructure and culture here as not ready for those e- or motorized bikes/scooters yet.

There are far too many people who see these as the perfect loophole to maximize their own convenience and cost-savings, and in the process making the pavements and roads here a complete hazard.

I was upset to read that there some motorcyclists gave up the motorbikes as COE is too expensive, and went to buy e- or motorized bikes and went to modify them to be (almost) as fast as motorbikes, and use them both on the roads and on pavements, whichever is to their convenience. In the process, they save on road tax, carpark, insurance, petrol - and then inconvenience/endanger everyone else who has been using the pavements and roads all these years!

ashana:

Somehow I like the idea of commuting with ebike. It is perfect for people like me who doesn't drive.


Sometimes I want to go to a nearby place which is too far to walk but too near to take a cab and or too inconvenient to take a bus. ebike seems great for circumstances like this.

I can bring my dogs to their groomer more conveniently and economically too. It is a saving of $20 round trip inclusive of 2 x booking fees. I don't have to waste time getting through operator for advanced booking and at the mercy of taxi drivers. I don't have to tolerate the rant of taxi drivers who turn up without reading there are dogs in their memo. I don't have to tolerate operators who failed to key in the ride requirements properly and the complains from taxi drivers spoil the rest of the day.

But I didn't own one yet. imo, our road users are not ready yet.

The public and users are just not adequately informed and educated yet to use it properly. I'm hoping the government will enforce more rules and regard ebikes as a standard mode of transport just like cars, bus and motorcycles. There is just no place for ebikes in the current infrastructure. They are too fast for pedestrian path and too slow for road.

Nebbermind:

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjdAVGXqPIk][/youtube]

hquek:

Motorised bicycles can whizz on roads/pavements...catching those who flout the rules feels to me like trying to catch a mozzie.


I had hoped they start registering bicycles and issuing number plates, but this idea was shot down by LTA http://www.straitstimes.com/forum/letters-in-print/lta-bicycle-licensing-not-practical

It's really strange, those who lost their licence (likely due to reckless driving) can happily hop onto a motorized ebike and whizz off again. Best part is, where cyclists cause accidents, it's very likely they will never be caught nor made to bear responsibilities.

atrecord:

Guidelines (or laws) are useless if they are not enforced, right?

I don't think it's acceptable if TP puts a 90 km/h limit on the highway, but not enforce it and allow racers to go around speeding at 150 km/h on our roads.

Irrelevant:

atrecord:

And years ago, there were already complaints that riders riding bicycles are dangerous as they tend to ride on pedestrian paths, making it a hazard for the pedestrians. Nothing much was done about that by LTA/Govt.


And then they made it worse by allowing more (in numbers) and more powerful motorized bicycles on the roads and pedestrian paths. Some of these could go as fast as 70 km/h, the speed limit in many parts of KPE! (http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/modified-e-bikes-raise-safety-concerns)

I refer to LTA guidelines as follows:

http://www.lta.gov.sg/data/apps/news/press/2015/20151119_Details_of_technical_requirements_AnnexA.pdf

Perhaps you might wish to clarify who is the \"they\" that you are referring to?

Personally, I reckon that LTA's guidelines are adequate, what they lack is enforcement and a substantial increase in penalities, both on the supplier and consumer.

hquek:

Yes, I thought it was about some circus!


http://news.asiaone.com/news/singapore/riding-towards-danger-120kmh-e-bicycles
[quote]Many riders of electric bicycles here are motorcyclists who have lost their licences, with many modified versions of the bikes able to go as fast as 120kmh

atrecord:

And years ago, there were already complaints that riders riding bicycles are dangerous as they tend to ride on pedestrian paths, making it a hazard for the pedestrians. Nothing much was done about that by LTA/Govt.


And then they made it worse by allowing more (in numbers) and more powerful motorized bicycles on the roads and pedestrian paths. Some of these could go as fast as 70 km/h, the speed limit in many parts of KPE! (http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/modified-e-bikes-raise-safety-concerns)

atrecord:

I agree on both counts. The title ideally should be modified to reflect that it involves kids, danger and bicycles.

atrecord:

And ban those e-bikes. But of course, LTA will have to hear lots of complaints from dealers who imported thousands of these e-bikes so far, because they had allowed it thus far :mad: :rant: :stompfeet: :stupid: :slapshead:

atrecord:

And years ago, there were already complaints that riders riding bicycles are dangerous as they tend to ride on pedestrian paths, making it a hazard for the pedestrians. Nothing much was done about that by LTA/Govt.

And then they made it worse by allowing more (in numbers) and more powerful motorized bicycles on the roads and pedestrian paths. Some of these could go as fast as 70 km/h, the speed limit in many parts of KPE! (http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/modified-e-bikes-raise-safety-concerns)

You just need to look at the damage on the car after the impact of this accident, to have an idea of what could have happened if the bike had knocked onto a group of young kids crossing the road, instead of the car!

Another scenario: In this case, the e-bike crossed the junction when traffic light was red in that direction, and it rammed straight into the front left fender of the car that had turned when the light was in the car's favor. If the car had been 1 sec slower, it could well be that the car could have knocked onto the bike, instead of the other way round. The 2 irresponsible kids (i stop short of using far far worse names) could have been seriously injured, or worse, just another statistics…

I think there was some public dialogue initiated by LTA on such e-bikes, e-scooters recently, with a view to craft some regulations and guidelines.

I feel it is far too late, and LTA has been very negligent in this aspect - among other things.

schweppes:

limlim:

There should be a lot of drivers in KSP.. surprise that there isn't much response.


This incident warrants much attention I feel.

It involves ebike which I'm not sure if it is even legal in Singapore.

And the ebiker with blatant disregard for traffic rules.

Those pple driving riding those ebikes on the road, do they even study the highway code? They are obvious road hazards to other users. Do they have insurance?

if the gov close one eye and the ebikes population flourish, and more reckless riders go on the roads, aren't the driving community going to have a hard time?

I think it's because your thread title is \"acrobat on the road\". KSP readers probably think you are referring to some circus show in Sg, so did not click on this thread.

In any case, the 2 boys behaved liked clowns!! Personally I feel that e-bikes should be banned. They are a road hazard and the riders pay little heed to safety. They will ride on main roads and pedestrian paths depending on their convenience. I've seen these riders almost knocking down elderly and young children. :rant: :nunchuk: :mad:

limlim:

There should be a lot of drivers in KSP.. surprise that there isn't much response.


This incident warrants much attention I feel.

It involves ebike which I'm not sure if it is even legal in Singapore.

And the ebiker with blatant disregard for traffic rules.

Those pple driving riding those ebikes on the road, do they even study the highway code? They are obvious road hazards to other users. Do they have insurance?

if the gov close one eye and the ebikes population flourish, and more reckless riders go on the roads, aren't the driving community going to have a hard time?

limlim:

There should be a lot of drivers in KSP.. surprise that there isn't much response.


This incident warrants much attention I feel.

It involves ebike which I'm not sure if it is even legal in Singapore.

And the ebiker with blatant disregard for traffic rules.

Those pple driving riding those ebikes on the road, do they even study the highway code? They are obvious road hazards to other users. Do they have insurance?

if the gov close one eye and the ebikes population flourish, and more reckless riders go on the roads, aren't the driving community going to have a hard time?

Nebbermind:

jetsetter:

why r u 3 posting the same video?

I thought the above are gif? No?