fr p4 to p5 .. results dropped

Reply to fr p4 to p5 .. results dropped on Sun, 24 Oct 2021 00:56:28 GMT

SG_KP1 — Sun, 24 Oct 2021 00:56:28 GMT

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Think of it this way and maybe people will feel better.

P5 SA2 = PSLE Practice #1 (some add'l content added in P6 but not too much more)
P6 SA1 = PSLE Practice #2
Prelim = PSLE Practice #3
PSLE = test that matters.

I.e. it is most important to be \"winning,\" or more broadly, \"where you need to be\" at the end. It is hard to operate if every test is the \"most important\" test, cannot screw up, etc. Take each one before PSLE as an official notice on where you can try to improve...
I attended a P5 webinar by a former PSLE setter/marker and she said (for Science) that 90% of the PSLE tested content is actually taught (and tested in SA2) by end of P5.

Could see my boy’s face was so relieved at hearing this![/quote]

I think English is pretty much the same. Possibly the inference questions in comprehension are a bit more advanced and the range of never ending vocabulary could be a bit wider, but more or less it's the same test. For MT, I guess there is additional vocabulary that is specifically added in P6 on needs to learn.

For Math and Science, it will be interesting to see if the CLTs are added back next year? If not, I wonder if they will declare upfront so Term 1-2 can focus on catching up on prior material? Or they will see how the year is going before making any final decision (if no disruptions and student absences are down they may take next year to bite the bullet and get everyone back on track :yikes: ) .

Regardless, first step is another week plus of focus for the 2010 kiddos and then some time to relax!

Reply to fr p4 to p5 .. results dropped on Sat, 23 Oct 2021 22:34:45 GMT

zac's mum — Sat, 23 Oct 2021 22:34:45 GMT

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Think of it this way and maybe people will feel better.

P5 SA2 = PSLE Practice #1 (some add'l content added in P6 but not too much more)
P6 SA1 = PSLE Practice #2
Prelim = PSLE Practice #3
PSLE = test that matters.

I.e. it is most important to be \"winning,\" or more broadly, \"where you need to be\" at the end. It is hard to operate if every test is the \"most important\" test, cannot screw up, etc. Take each one before PSLE as an official notice on where you can try to improve...

I attended a P5 webinar by a former PSLE setter/marker and she said (for Science) that 90% of the PSLE tested content is actually taught (and tested in SA2) by end of P5.

Could see my boy’s face was so relieved at hearing this!

Reply to fr p4 to p5 .. results dropped on Sat, 11 Sep 2021 03:50:25 GMT

SG_KP1 — Sat, 11 Sep 2021 03:50:25 GMT

Think of it this way and maybe people will feel better.

P5 SA2 = PSLE Practice #1 (some add’l content added in P6 but not too much more)
P6 SA1 = PSLE Practice #2
Prelim = PSLE Practice #3
PSLE = test that matters.

I.e. it is most important to be "winning," or more broadly, "where you need to be" at the end. It is hard to operate if every test is the "most important" test, cannot screw up, etc. Take each one before PSLE as an official notice on where you can try to improve…

Reply to fr p4 to p5 .. results dropped on Sat, 11 Sep 2021 02:40:23 GMT

lalamissy — Sat, 11 Sep 2021 02:40:23 GMT

I think as parents we also need to adjust to the expectations as our kids go up the levels. Things get tougher and by maintaining the existing grades are already an achievement by itself. However, if the drop is too drastic, we should look at whether the learning methods are incorrect, or look for help/other ways to assist them in learning. Different kids will have their own best method in learning or absorbing concepts.

Reply to fr p4 to p5 .. results dropped on Thu, 02 Sep 2021 12:45:01 GMT

zac's mum — Thu, 02 Sep 2021 12:45:01 GMT

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zac's mum\" post_id=\"2036270\" time=\"1630568760\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2036270 time=1630568760 user_id=53606]Those kids who had been streamed to the HA classes in P5 are having a big shock after WA3 (EL: Paper 2, CL: Compre, HCL: non-picture Compo) and the parents are panicking big time too. Previously the kids had been doing well in P1-4 but now that the requirements are tougher, they seem to fumble.
Out of curiosity, you mean the papers for HA classes different from other classes?[/quote]

Er, no the papers are the same. Just maybe the parents were too used to seeing near-perfect marks and now more like average marks or failed.

Reply to fr p4 to p5 .. results dropped on Thu, 02 Sep 2021 12:34:30 GMT

Swc — Thu, 02 Sep 2021 12:34:30 GMT

zac's mum\" post_id=\"2036270\" time=\"1630568760\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2036270 time=1630568760 user_id=53606]
Those kids who had been streamed to the HA classes in P5 are having a big shock after WA3 (EL: Paper 2, CL: Compre, HCL: non-picture Compo) and the parents are panicking big time too. Previously the kids had been doing well in P1-4 but now that the requirements are tougher, they seem to fumble.[/quote]

Out of curiosity, you mean the papers for HA classes different from other classes?

Reply to fr p4 to p5 .. results dropped on Thu, 02 Sep 2021 07:46:00 GMT

zac's mum — Thu, 02 Sep 2021 07:46:00 GMT

Those kids who had been streamed to the HA classes in P5 are having a big shock after WA3 (EL: Paper 2, CL: Compre, HCL: non-picture Compo) and the parents are panicking big time too. Previously the kids had been doing well in P1-4 but now that the requirements are tougher, they seem to fumble.

Reply to fr p4 to p5 .. results dropped on Thu, 02 Sep 2021 07:37:11 GMT

lalamissy — Thu, 02 Sep 2021 07:37:11 GMT

The jump from p4 to p5 is something they may not have experienced and, thus may find it hard to adjust to the "higher" level of expectations. That happened to my kids and it took a while for them to really adjust. Expect sudden drop in grades for some of the subjects like Science for my kids.

Reply to fr p4 to p5 .. results dropped on Sat, 06 Feb 2021 15:16:01 GMT

Zeal mummy — Sat, 06 Feb 2021 15:16:01 GMT

:goodpost:

My kids do this too.

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zac's mum\" post_id=\"2014038\" time=\"1612330574\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2014038 time=1612330574 user_id=53606]I see many parents mentioned here in the forum about the drop in results in P5.

But nobody seemed to mention the “sudden” faster pace & spike in homework load right from Term 1 in P5. Some of my friends (and their kids) have been caught unawares and are struggling to adapt. These are across several primary schools and their kids are in HA classes as well as MA classes.

Certain schools also make after-school supplementary lessons compulsory (for as many as 3 subjects). So the kids are not only more tired daily, they find it tough to finish the increased hw & still have adequate sleep.

I happened to start DS on P5 tuition during the Nov holidays, with tutor giving regular & challenging homework. Guess the motor was kept running & sufficiently warm. So not much complaint from him once school started. He is also cruising quite well despite his classmates saying the teaching pace is very fast in P5. There is a big jump in content & thinking skills required.

Not suggesting kiasu parents torture their kids with zero relaxation during the hols, but maybe u can consider this plan for your P4 kids in future.
Hi ZM - after reading your post I polled my kids cos they still seem relative \"free\" after school. Answer is \"spend every free minute in school finishing hw so that have more playtime at home\" ...[/quote]

Reply to fr p4 to p5 .. results dropped on Thu, 04 Feb 2021 08:26:42 GMT

zac's mum — Thu, 04 Feb 2021 08:26:42 GMT

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For some schools, from 2021, the Primary 5 students will also not have any mid-year examinations.

You will have one Final with 70% weightage ... give you one jia-lat jia-lat K.O :rotflmao:

Our “MYE” SA1 not full paper, Compo & 作文 only . SA2 60%. If don’t train stamina, sure will KO.

Reply to fr p4 to p5 .. results dropped on Thu, 04 Feb 2021 07:21:32 GMT

Pebbly — Thu, 04 Feb 2021 07:21:32 GMT

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I see many parents mentioned here in the forum about the drop in results in P5.

But nobody seemed to mention the “sudden” faster pace & spike in homework load right from Term 1 in P5. Some of my friends (and their kids) have been caught unawares and are struggling to adapt. These are across several primary schools and their kids are in HA classes as well as MA classes.

Certain schools also make after-school supplementary lessons compulsory (for as many as 3 subjects). So the kids are not only more tired daily, they find it tough to finish the increased hw & still have adequate sleep.

I happened to start DS on P5 tuition during the Nov holidays, with tutor giving regular & challenging homework. Guess the motor was kept running & sufficiently warm. So not much complaint from him once school started. He is also cruising quite well despite his classmates saying the teaching pace is very fast in P5. There is a big jump in content & thinking skills required.

Not suggesting kiasu parents torture their kids with zero relaxation during the hols, but maybe u can consider this plan for your P4 kids in future.[/quote]

Hi ZM - after reading your post I polled my kids cos they still seem relative \"free\" after school. Answer is \"spend every free minute in school finishing hw so that have more playtime at home\" ...

Reply to fr p4 to p5 .. results dropped on Wed, 03 Feb 2021 13:17:10 GMT

sharonkhoo — Wed, 03 Feb 2021 13:17:10 GMT

Rather than worry too much about the drop in marks because of the jumps every couple of years, teach your kids to expect these jumps and figure out what works best for them in overcoming and adjusting. There will be many more jumps - S1, S3, J1, Poly/Univ, every new job or promotion, marriage, having kids… Some people can make quantum leaps and need very little adjustment. Others need time to work up to the new level, and the initial phase can see a drop in performance, and increase in stress, etc. Once the child understands himself (and when the parent understand the child), they will all cope better.

Reply to fr p4 to p5 .. results dropped on Wed, 03 Feb 2021 08:18:02 GMT

phtthp — Wed, 03 Feb 2021 08:18:02 GMT

For language English, not much jump, from (P4 to P5).

But for (Maths & Science), the gap in jump is quite big, from (P4 to P5).

For Standard Chinese, not much jump.

Reply to fr p4 to p5 .. results dropped on Wed, 03 Feb 2021 05:36:14 GMT

zac's mum — Wed, 03 Feb 2021 05:36:14 GMT

I see many parents mentioned here in the forum about the drop in results in P5.

But nobody seemed to mention the “sudden” faster pace & spike in homework load right from Term 1 in P5. Some of my friends (and their kids) have been caught unawares and are struggling to adapt. These are across several primary schools and their kids are in HA classes as well as MA classes.

Certain schools also make after-school supplementary lessons compulsory (for as many as 3 subjects). So the kids are not only more tired daily, they find it tough to finish the increased hw & still have adequate sleep.

I happened to start DS on P5 tuition during the Nov holidays, with tutor giving regular & challenging homework. Guess the motor was kept running & sufficiently warm. So not much complaint from him once school started. He is also cruising quite well despite his classmates saying the teaching pace is very fast in P5. There is a big jump in content & thinking skills required.

Not suggesting kiasu parents torture their kids with zero relaxation during the hols, but maybe u can consider this plan for your P4 kids in future.

Reply to fr p4 to p5 .. results dropped on Tue, 17 Nov 2020 01:54:05 GMT

SG_KP1 — Tue, 17 Nov 2020 01:54:05 GMT

I see. I’m not entirely sure but I assumed my kid’s school would ease off the full length SA1 (use time to teach upper primary curriculum further, de-emphasize exams, etc).

I have started collecting the prior year SA1s. They are definitely a good practice run. Still, sometimes I think the kids focus more on the actual thing vs. at home. There is also the question of can you do it when it really matters (anxiety always a bit different for the real thing).

Anyways, the journey continues…

Reply to fr p4 to p5 .. results dropped on Tue, 17 Nov 2020 01:43:36 GMT

zac's mum — Tue, 17 Nov 2020 01:43:36 GMT

It’s only an official removal of the SA1 MYE. However, schools can still conduct a max of 1 weighted assessment per term. So it’s just a change of name - basically you can still have Term 1 CA1, Term 2 SA1, Term 3 CA2, Term 4 SA2. Weightage and format will be up to the schools.

Anyway, there’s nothing stopping parents from making use of the past year exam papers and practising at home. Tuition centres will be conducting mock SA1 exams for the kids i’m sure. The idea of the official removal was to ease the school teachers’ workload I think. (Rush to finish teaching the topics, stress to set the papers, stress to mark the papers and go through corrections during lessons, then must compile the results…all this stress is pretty evident to the kids). I don’t mind improved wellbeing for the teachers, which will translate to better classroom environment also.

Reply to fr p4 to p5 .. results dropped on Tue, 17 Nov 2020 01:26:45 GMT

SG_KP1 — Tue, 17 Nov 2020 01:26:45 GMT

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Although MOE announced guide-line that P5 no SA1,
however some primary schools still conduct P5 SA1 (mid-year) assessment. If parents feel the need to, can approach your school VP (academic), to conduct P5 SA1.

The same apply to Sec 3 SA1, if students feel the need to.
At Sec 3, aged 15,
students can approach their school VP (Academic) directly, since they are big & mature enough to handle themselves

I think next year it is compulsory no SA1 in P5? The 2019 schools were free to do as they please. I think it was originally going to be the same in 2020 (school by school choice) but then all SA1s were cancelled due to COVID.

Either way, it's the same for everyone (SA1 or no SA1). Part of this is just bias towards what we are familiar with...

Reply to fr p4 to p5 .. results dropped on Tue, 17 Nov 2020 01:15:22 GMT

phtthp — Tue, 17 Nov 2020 01:15:22 GMT

Although MOE announced guide-line that P5 no SA1,

however some primary schools still conduct P5 SA1 (mid-year) assessment. If parents feel the need to, can approach your school VP (academic), to conduct P5 SA1.

The same apply to Sec 3 SA1, if students feel the need to.
At Sec 3, aged 15,
students can approach their school VP (Academic) directly, since they are big & mature enough to handle themselves

Reply to fr p4 to p5 .. results dropped on Tue, 17 Nov 2020 01:08:02 GMT

SG_KP1 — Tue, 17 Nov 2020 01:08:02 GMT

In some ways, I wish the P5s still had the SA1 exams. The exam format is different (longer) than P4, and I think it is good for the students to have as many rounds as possible with the same format as PSLE (practice, testing stamina, etc). I guess if you consider that they have P5 SA2, P6 SA1, and Prelim all within a year before PSLE, there is still a good amount of prep. But I can see some of the P5 SA2s having more volatility than people are accustomed to, and this is not going to make the P6 year any less stressful.

Personally, I found the P5 English Paper 2 to have the largest jump from the P4 exams. The other subject tests were all longer but about the same as before (difficulty wise).

Reply to fr p4 to p5 .. results dropped on Tue, 17 Nov 2020 00:18:39 GMT

zac's mum — Tue, 17 Nov 2020 00:18:39 GMT

I think Rosyth's slides are quite enlightening, especially Slide 21 onwards \"LEARN ABOUT YOUR CHILD’S TRANSITION TO PRIMARY 5\":

https://rosyth.moe.edu.sg/qql/slot/u910/Slides%20for%20P4%20Parent%20Engagement%20Talk%20%284%20August%202017%29.pdf

Reply to fr p4 to p5 .. results dropped on Sat, 07 Nov 2020 12:28:15 GMT

woofy55 — Sat, 07 Nov 2020 12:28:15 GMT

Hi, in this era, is there still retaining in the level for another whole year if failed the examination?

Reply to fr p4 to p5 .. results dropped on Fri, 06 Nov 2020 06:17:53 GMT

MrsKiasu — Fri, 06 Nov 2020 06:17:53 GMT

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For KS mums and dads who have had your child's results drop at P5, may I ask roughly how much of his results dropped in terms of %?

Ds is in P5 this year and we have seen a drop in his results. Have heard that as the difficulty level increases at P5 level, I have always prepared myself mentally to expect a drop in results. This has really happened but would like to have a sense of how much drop is too much and something needs to be done.
Anyone with your experience to share?

Just being nosy bagua, our drop was about 7%. If I were to understand correctly then, teacher mentioned that P4 SA2 was easier.. you may want to take a look at the SA2 marks.

Reply to fr p4 to p5 .. results dropped on Fri, 06 Nov 2020 05:49:38 GMT

yorkie — Fri, 06 Nov 2020 05:49:38 GMT

If possible (factor in prepuberty raging hormones😂), make him read those guides and model compo given by teachers/tutors aloud daily. Read aloud dramatically and have it recorded using hp apps... it would be useful for revision closer to exams.