Uproar over new rental flats

Reply to Uproar over new rental flats on Sat, 15 Jul 2017 11:05:53 GMT

jone10 — Sat, 15 Jul 2017 11:05:53 GMT

schoolpre22:
Funz:
Short term, yes, having the rental flats next to your block may affect the value of your property but in the long run, with Singapore being so land scarce, don't think it will affect much.

Hello,
If I want to take a 1 BHK http://letzoo.co.uk/dss-properties-to-rent.php here. What should be the cost that i have to pay to get through???

Hi
i term of property Singapore is very expensive place. Firstly decide your budget than think about it.

Reply to Uproar over new rental flats on Thu, 13 Jul 2017 21:56:38 GMT

schoolpre22 — Thu, 13 Jul 2017 21:56:38 GMT

Funz:
Short term, yes, having the rental flats next to your block may affect the value of your property but in the long run, with Singapore being so land scarce, don't think it will affect much.

Hello,
If I want to take a 1 BHK flat on rent here. What should be the cost that i have to pay to get through???

Reply to Uproar over new rental flats on Thu, 13 Jul 2017 21:41:36 GMT

schoolpre22 — Thu, 13 Jul 2017 21:41:36 GMT

jedamum:
mintcc:
. Technically, we are all living in \"subsidised\" housing anyway.

paying >$350k for a 90sqm, i don't call myself living in subsidised housing.

what rental flat tenants lack is the sense of ownership to property, hence the level of maintenance of the surroundings may be affected - but then this is a sweeping statement cos not all rental flat tenants are like that and not all hdb owners keep their surrounding clean too. :roll:

i think perhaps the residents grouse is the drop in property value. if the gahmen can afford to give them some form of compensation for the drop in propery value (eg cash form, more facilities etc), perhaps they will be more receptive to the idea.

jmho.

Hello,
If the maintenance cost is high. It will effects the cost of that property and also decrease its value...

Reply to Uproar over new rental flats on Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:34:09 GMT

tree nymph — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:34:09 GMT

MLR:
Funz:
Short term, yes, having the rental flats next to your block may affect the value of your property but in the long run, with Singapore being so land scarce, don't think it will affect much.

Actual cases are: Toa Payoh, Commonwealth (Tanglin Halt), Redhill, Bt Merah, Clementi, etc.

where in the 70s and 80s, lots of 1 room and 2 rooms rental flats. Now, easily the most expensive HDB estates.

Yup! You can say that again. i was house-hunting to be near my son's school and the prices ARE CRAZY!!! needs lots of cold hard cash, not just money from your CPF account...

I think these people are protesting on their view lah... so used to having greenery and empty space now there's another block of flat. I think they will also protest whether its normal flat or rental flat.

Reply to Uproar over new rental flats on Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:13:53 GMT

MLR — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:13:53 GMT

Funz:
Short term, yes, having the rental flats next to your block may affect the value of your property but in the long run, with Singapore being so land scarce, don't think it will affect much.

Actual cases are: Toa Payoh, Commonwealth (Tanglin Halt), Redhill, Bt Merah, Clementi, etc.

where in the 70s and 80s, lots of 1 room and 2 rooms rental flats. Now, easily the most expensive HDB estates.

Reply to Uproar over new rental flats on Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:10:57 GMT

Funz — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:10:57 GMT

Short term, yes, having the rental flats next to your block may affect the value of your property but in the long run, with Singapore being so land scarce, don’t think it will affect much.

Reply to Uproar over new rental flats on Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:04:12 GMT

tankee — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:04:12 GMT

tamarind:
[quote]
I've never come across situations where employers of low-paying jobs reject hiring retrenched people, i've only come across retrenched people rejecting low-paying jobs.

I have personally encountered this situation.

tankee,
Sorry for being OT again.[/quote]
er ... what for?

ok to OT .. I just want to avoid this thread turn from arguing on the issue to throwing mud at each other. Just focus on the issue, don't get personal.

Reply to Uproar over new rental flats on Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:02:09 GMT

skunk — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:02:09 GMT

tamarind:

I have personally encountered this situation.

tankee,
Sorry for being OT again.

maybe u would like to forward them to me. I can help.

Reply to Uproar over new rental flats on Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:00:48 GMT

tankee — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:00:48 GMT

hquek:
....well, if it's a ploy to get money, I think it's very weak. If not for govt efforts to pay for this upgrading, that improvement to public works, I don't think their property prices are going to go up very far. Redhill has loads of rental flats....but the property prices of hdb and private property can look quite crazy also.

More likely a case that they are unhappy as they now face an open plot of land but will soon face another block of flats.

Anyway, they should be prepared for this day since land is limited in Singapore. Any open plot of land won't stay vacant for long. And if it does, consider yourself lucky. If it don't, ... er ... suck thumb lor.

Reply to Uproar over new rental flats on Wed, 10 Feb 2010 05:55:06 GMT

tamarind — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 05:55:06 GMT

[quote]
I've never come across situations where employers of low-paying jobs reject hiring retrenched people, i've only come across retrenched people rejecting low-paying jobs. [/quote]I have personally encountered this situation.

tankee,
Sorry for being OT again.

Reply to Uproar over new rental flats on Wed, 10 Feb 2010 05:51:47 GMT

hquek — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 05:51:47 GMT

jedamum:
what rental flat tenants lack is the sense of ownership to property, hence the level of maintenance of the surroundings may be affected - but then this is a sweeping statement cos not all rental flat tenants are like that and not all hdb owners keep their surrounding clean too. :roll:

May not hold true. During my time in rental housing, I see that my neighbours all maintain their house neatly and well. It's a matter of upbringing and personal effort - nothing to do with feeling that this is a rental property therefore I should not treasure it. Despite the lack of ownership, I see they all take pride in ensuring the corridors are swept and kept clean. And I see my current neighbours....there are culprits who throw rubbish on the corridor (esp when it's not theirs) - not sure who these pp are...but certainly, I don't think they have much civility.

jedamum:
i think perhaps the residents grouse is the drop in property value. if the gahmen can afford to give them some form of compensation for the drop in propery value (eg cash form, more facilities etc), perhaps they will be more receptive to the idea.
jmho.

well, if it's a ploy to get money, I think it's very weak. If not for govt efforts to pay for this upgrading, that improvement to public works, I don't think their property prices are going to go up very far. Redhill has loads of rental flats....but the property prices of hdb and private property can look quite crazy also.

Reply to Uproar over new rental flats on Wed, 10 Feb 2010 05:41:43 GMT

cluelessmom — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 05:41:43 GMT

\"Many of the poor today have drug problems, marital problems, gambling problems, alcohol problems, mental problems...all kinds of problems u can think of, they have it. Would u like to stay near them?\"

I honestly envy u cuz I think u r incredibly fortunate to be free of all those problems and also be surrounded with people without those problems cuz almost everyone I noe have at least one or for the less fortunate ones, all of the above problems..... marital problems, gambling problems and mental problems, well, I think they are really more common than u think....and not exlusive to the poor....

I have seen many who were rich and lost it all and those born in poor environment desperately trying hard to be rich or even make ends meet but was dealt with cruel fate time and again so much so that their spirits are broken.....

\"I've volunteered and held key positions in charitable societies, and my word can be taken for it.\"

I applaud ur voluntary works but I think they have also somehow coloured ur perception of poor people.... perhaps u have tried hard to help many who refused to be help? Still I believed that there are many out there who needed the assistance and are able to lead a better life with the help rendered.....I feel sorry tat such negative perceptions came out of something positive as voluntary works......

Reply to Uproar over new rental flats on Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:07:32 GMT

skunk — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:07:32 GMT

tamarind:

What if both hubby and wife are retrenched, and have $0 income ? I know of real life cases. As I wrote earlier, even if they want to look for low paying jobs, people may be too prejudiced to employ them.

these people need a job, not a rental flat.

Those who typically rent rentals flats,usually right from Day 1, they've never made good incomes, because of low education, drug/mental/others problems, or other reasons. They are highly unlikely to be retrenched professionals.

So far, in my 8 years of serving the \"poor\", I've never come across situations where employers of low-paying jobs reject hiring retrenched people, i've only come across retrenched people rejecting low-paying jobs. Maybe I'm just a frog in a well, unless the retrenched people u r talking about, are PhD holders or something.

Reply to Uproar over new rental flats on Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:02:17 GMT

mummy of 2 — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:02:17 GMT

I don’t think having rental flats near your block will adversely affect your flat value. I live in Kim Tian Rd (where the prices are sky-high) and there are rental blocks next to, as well as opposite my block. The existence of rental blocks nearby did not seem to deter potential buyers.

Reply to Uproar over new rental flats on Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:00:55 GMT

skunk — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:00:55 GMT

mintcc:

It is really sad that you have come to this conclusion after volunteering in a charity group.

It appears you are fortunate in your marital experience. Perhaps you can look at some of the experiences of people in the relationship section of the forum before you make such a sweeping statement as \"In short, I cannot think of a problem in marriage that is \"beyond reasonable control\"

Yes, it's indeed sad that i've come to such a harsh conclusion. Maybe u should try serving the \"poor\" for at least 5 years, see if u come to a similar conclusion?

Yes, it's a sweeping statement. There will always be exceptions to every rule/stereotype. I'm not interested in exceptional cases, as u have said, it's merely a sweeping statement. I have yet to come across a marital case that wasn't beyond reasonable control. Kindly educate me about such cases.

Reply to Uproar over new rental flats on Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:55:15 GMT

jedamum — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:55:15 GMT

mintcc:
. Technically, we are all living in \"subsidised\" housing anyway.

paying >$350k for a 90sqm, i don't call myself living in subsidised housing.

what rental flat tenants lack is the sense of ownership to property, hence the level of maintenance of the surroundings may be affected - but then this is a sweeping statement cos not all rental flat tenants are like that and not all hdb owners keep their surrounding clean too. :roll:

i think perhaps the residents grouse is the drop in property value. if the gahmen can afford to give them some form of compensation for the drop in propery value (eg cash form, more facilities etc), perhaps they will be more receptive to the idea.

jmho.

Reply to Uproar over new rental flats on Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:26:51 GMT

hquek — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:26:51 GMT

mintcc:
I think there should be more rental flats. Don't see anything wrong with having rental flats near other HDB housing. Technically, we are all living in \"subsidised\" housing anyway.

No lah, not everyone took money from govt.

And, I don't consider myself to be 'owning' the hdb I'm staying at....I'm just a tenant....for 99 years.

okie - sorry about side tracking.

Reply to Uproar over new rental flats on Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:26:44 GMT

mintcc — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:26:44 GMT

it is really good they are building again, in fact they should have earlier.

Saw many stories on the newspaper on people being homeless and whole family sleeping at the void deck and homes for people with no where to go being full. Hopefully the rental flats will help.

Reply to Uproar over new rental flats on Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:03:53 GMT

tankee — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:03:53 GMT

It is a supply & demand thingy.

For some years as Singapore economy prosper, more people are able to "own" flats, thus number of rental flats reduced.

But last year, there were increased demand and shortage of rental flats, thus HDB is building again.

Reply to Uproar over new rental flats on Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:00:22 GMT

mintcc — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:00:22 GMT

I think there should be more rental flats. Don’t see anything wrong with having rental flats near other HDB housing. Technically, we are all living in "subsidised" housing anyway.

Reply to Uproar over new rental flats on Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:49:37 GMT

tankee — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:49:37 GMT

hi mummies and daddies ...

let's focus our discussions on the topic and not on each other

ok?

Reply to Uproar over new rental flats on Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:47:02 GMT

hquek — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:47:02 GMT

There are always many faces to a story. A person is poor becos he is unable to handle finances, or due to extenuating circumstances (low income, old age etc), or becos of drug etc problem. It’s so difficult to sieve through it all. Pp can come up with all kinds of stories - only the Almighty One can judge. The govt role and responsibility is to ensure that these pp at least have some form of net to fall back on.

I applaud that our cheng hu has never fell into the welfare trap - else I’m sure we’ll be seeing a lot more sob stories.

Sorry, there ARE cases when the problem is of their own making. Like those who happily sell their flats and have many many children…those I don’t sympathise. But end of the day, some place still has to be found for such people. Shelter over the head is still very necessary before one can even contemplate pulling up socks.

SG is very small, if not our backyard, then where?

I look down even more on those so called prosperous people who drive up in their big big cars - and happily take handouts from charity organisations…pui pui pui.

Reply to Uproar over new rental flats on Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:46:40 GMT

tamarind — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:46:40 GMT

skunk:
that doesn't fall into the definition of \"poor\", in the context of this thread, in discussing govt rental flats.

To qualify for a govt rental flat, if i'm not wrong, monthly income must be below $1200.

What if both hubby and wife are retrenched, and have $0 income ? I know of real life cases. As I wrote earlier, even if they want to look for low paying jobs, people may be too prejudiced to employ them.

[quote]I agree with you. Even though I'm not in the Engineering Line, I do worry about what if I got retrenched. And then what can I work as to make a living and continue to provide for my kids. And I kept having the sales assistant/cashier image coming into my mind...[/quote]tree nymph,
I was thinking of receptionist, but I don't think I can even get a job as a receptionist !

mintcc:

Totally agree tamarind...there are many stories of people who are caught in the poverty cycle and simply need help to get out....at normal rental rates in HDB being so high, a family without sufficient income for the moment really do not have a lot of option. They need money before they can send the child to childcare and they can't get money unless they work. Sometimes, such people just need a little help to tide them over the difficult times.

I totally agree with you too, especially your last statement.

Reply to Uproar over new rental flats on Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:39:59 GMT

mintcc — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:39:59 GMT

tamarind:

I do have a feeling that Singapore is becoming more and more elitist. Those people who were born in upper middle class families, simply cannot understand what the poor families are going through. And the worst thing is that, they do not have any compassion for other people. ( I am not referring to anyone in this thread)

Totally agree tamarind...there are many stories of people who are caught in the poverty cycle and simply need help to get out....at normal rental rates in HDB being so high, a family without sufficient income for the moment really do not have a lot of option. They need money before they can send the child to childcare and they can't get money unless they work. Sometimes, such people just need a little help to tide them over the difficult times.