obm:

mindays:

I merely casted my doubts on the ability of the pioneer batch of EJC students and that should not be taken as a fact that EJC students are inferior in quality. You shouldn't be over sensitive over a view like this. Furthermore, you were trying to justify that EJC was almost on par with VJC, as shown with the COP given. However, I have pointed out the fact that the majority of VJC cohort makes up of JAE students aka O Level graduates. Once again, this thread should belong to the tertiary section, don't deprive other parents who are more interested in having their queries answered in this secondary section especially when the S1 Posting is active.

Mindays

Although you've posted some 300plus posts here, but did you realise two-thirds (198 posts) of your posts were in 2 NYJC home threads? Everyone here knows you're the famous poster girl, spokesman, mascot or gatekeeper of NYJC in this forum already.

May I know if you're a staff at NYJC? No, that can't be possible because MOE teachers won't log in to KSP to comment. Then are you the spouse of an NYJC staff, e.g. daughter of former Principal, or some teacher over there? Nieces or nephews at NYJC? I ask because you seemed rather fervent or perhaps, fanatical in defending NYJC's students and ranking over at NYJC thread. I doubt you're a parent.

Although you claimed you were from VJC, I see zero posts of yours in the VJC home thread. Clearly, you have vested interests in NYJC, and this entire community (regulars) knows you do, so do not deny it any further.

I think you need to know there's an 'unspoken' rule of engagement here in this forum, which is not to trespass into other schools' territories, usurp the threadstarters'/spokespersons' roles and besmirch other schools' good name or cast aspersions on their students', P's or teachers' abilities, when you're not even a parent with a child from that institution. Yes, I know you tried very hard to craft some seemingly objective comments/perspectives in the EJC thread to mask your disingenuousness, but oh come on, your NYJC/anti-EJC reputation precedes you.

I thought you should be more considerate and emphatic because many detractors and green-eyed monsters have constantly trampled on your NYJC homeground. That does not give you the excuse to hit out on others.

If I were you, I'd wait a while for genuine parents of that institution to take up the questions posted by interested parties, not jump in to insinuate negative things or obliquely run down other people's identity. For info, sneaking into EJC's Mt Sinai campus during its Open House like a kiasu rival does not make you more informed or knowledgeable than a genuine EJC parent.

And why wouldn't and can't parents of EJC pioneers be 'over-sensitive'? I would if I were them. Who likes a visitor at their housewarming party to keep telling them their property value will head south? Mind you, the pioneers are going to take A levels next year. Do you think it's ethical to come in here to 'curse' them? You who are so protective of those hardworking 18-year-olds in NYJC should extend the same kindness to parents of teens in other JCs' threads, no? These are all our children of the future. Must you be so unkind to the innocent kids because of your own personal 'high-school disputes' with some parents here?

mindays:

Grandypa:

This Mindays person is well know for biased statements. He will only sing praises of NYJC ( his children alma matar) and VJC ( his alma mater)

Lets get the facts down, I do not have any DC studying in NYJC. Yes, I was from VJC. Are you not being biased with your accusations that are baseless? And, I have more than 300 posts in this forum which at the very least credits me to be an active member in the forum. Besides, I will not be getting 58 likes for nothing, this should very well prove my credibility as well. I will let the rest decide whether who is the one with substandard views.

mindays:

stetan:

[quote=\"mindays\"]

Mind you that more than half of VJC's cohort make up of JAE students, not IP! How can you use PSLE COP to determine the academic standards of VJ?! I am not saying that EJC is bad, in fact I acknowledged that IPJCs have their standards to meet. I am sorry that I have to disagree with you, but a more established VJC is more likely to value add the students than an infant EJC.

I am not comparing anything. I am again pointing out the biased and flawed nature of your analysis again.

You said\" VS IP leads up to VJC which holds a much better ranking than EJC (from CHS IP)\" In my earlier post, I have already shown why your analysis is biased and flawed.

You said you cannot compare JC performance on PSLE cutoff. I agree and that's why I refrain from doing so.

The only way to compare JC performance is through their A level results. But you know that EJC have not produce A level graduates yet....so what facts are you using for your analysis? You personal opinion?

mindays:

stetan:

[quote=\"mindays\"]

You seem very infuriated whenever I post remarks on EJC. If you have that much confidence in EJC, there is no need to post snide remarks in response to my posts. It is not an ultimatum of which JC will achieve better results in the A Levels, no one knows until the real deal is up. As you have said that the majority of EJC students are IP, does that mean that they triumph those JAE students?

Are you saying the students from the 3 premier school \"will do better than\" those in DHS, let alone VJ (Context: VJC is academically stronger based on A Level Results than DHS)

DHS: 257

St Nicks: 257
Catholic High: 252
SCGS: 253

I am certainly not infuriated, are you? I am just pointing out your false truths, which you have shown in the other threads that you are most capable of.

So please do not digress. You said \" EJC having a COP of 9 for both Science and Arts is worser than ACJC's 7 for Science and 8 for Arts, I doubt that the pioneer batch of EJC will do any better than that\"

You make a generalization that the entire cohort of EJC is bad because the cut off is 9. I just pointed out that the cutoff is only for JAE intake, The bulk of the students are from CHS, SNGS and SCGS and not from JAE.

Your analysis, is as usual, biased and flawed. And furthermore this has nothing to do with DHS. I am not making comparison between JCs, just pointing out your flawed logic

mindays:

EJC having a COP of 9 for both Science and Arts is worser than ACJC's 7 for Science and 8 for Arts, I doubt that the pioneer batch of EJC will do any better than that..

obm:

mindays:

I merely casted my doubts on the ability of the pioneer batch of EJC students and that should not be taken as a fact that EJC students are inferior in quality. You shouldn't be over sensitive over a view like this. Furthermore, you were trying to justify that EJC was almost on par with VJC, as shown with the COP given. However, I have pointed out the fact that the majority of VJC cohort makes up of JAE students aka O Level graduates. Once again, this thread should belong to the tertiary section, don't deprive other parents who are more interested in having their queries answered in this secondary section especially when the S1 Posting is active.

Mindays

Although you've posted some 300plus posts here, but did you realise two-thirds (198 posts) of your posts were in 2 NYJC home threads? Everyone here knows you're the famous poster girl, spokesman, mascot or gatekeeper of NYJC in this forum already.

May I know if you're a staff at NYJC? No, that can't be possible because MOE teachers won't log in to KSP to comment. Then are you the spouse of an NYJC staff, e.g. daughter of former Principal, or some teacher over there? Nieces or nephews at NYJC? I ask because you seemed rather fervent or perhaps, fanatical in defending NYJC's students and ranking over at NYJC thread. I doubt you're a parent.

Although you claimed you were from VJC, I see zero posts of yours in the VJC home thread. Clearly, you have vested interests in NYJC, and this entire community (regulars) knows you do, so do not deny it any further.

I think you need to know there's an 'unspoken' rule of engagement here in this forum, which is not to trespass into other schools' territories, usurp the threadstarters'/spokespersons' roles and besmirch other schools' good name or cast aspersions on their students', P's or teachers' abilities, when you're not even a parent with a child from that institution. Yes, I know you tried very hard to craft some seemingly objective comments/perspectives in the EJC thread to mask your disingenuousness, but oh come on, your NYJC/anti-EJC reputation precedes you.

I thought you should be more considerate and emphatic because many detractors and green-eyed monsters have constantly trampled on your NYJC homeground. That does not give you the excuse to hit out on others.

If I were you, I'd wait a while for genuine parents of that institution to take up the questions posted by interested parties, not jump in to insinuate negative things or obliquely run down other people's identity. For info, sneaking into EJC's Mt Sinai campus during its Open House like a kiasu rival does not make you more informed or knowledgeable than a genuine EJC parent.

And why wouldn't and can't parents of EJC pioneers be 'over-sensitive'? I would if I were them. Who likes a visitor at their housewarming party to keep telling them their property value will head south? Mind you, the pioneers are going to take A levels next year. Do you think it's ethical to come in here to 'curse' them? You who are so protective of those hardworking 18-year-olds in NYJC should extend the same kindness to parents of teens in other JCs' threads, no? These are all our children of the future. Must you be so unkind to the innocent kids because of your own personal 'high-school disputes' with some parents here?

mindays:

I merely casted my doubts on the ability of the pioneer batch of EJC students and that should not be taken as a fact that EJC students are inferior in quality. You shouldn't be over sensitive over a view like this. Furthermore, you were trying to justify that EJC was almost on par with VJC, as shown with the COP given. However, I have pointed out the fact that the majority of VJC cohort makes up of JAE students aka O Level graduates. Once again, this thread should belong to the tertiary section, don't deprive other parents who are more interested in having their queries answered in this secondary section especially when the S1 Posting is active.

stetan:

mindays:

[quote=\"stetan\"]

What a biased statement.

Both VS IP and CHS IP has COP of 252. They are the same.

VJC has been around for years, it is a respected JC. Just because EJC has not produced any A level graduates yet does not mean that EJC will be inferior to VJC. Look at the COP of the feeder schools to the 2 JCs :

VI 252
Cedar 254

SNGC 257
SCGS 252
CHS 252

Mind you that more than half of VJC's cohort make up of JAE students, not IP! How can you use PSLE COP to determine the academic standards of VJ?! I am not saying that EJC is bad, in fact I acknowledged that IPJCs have their standards to meet. I am sorry that I have to disagree with you, but a more established VJC is more likely to value add the students than an infant EJC.

stetan:

mindays:

[quote=\"stetan\"]

You are deliberately being very naughty.

We all know that more than 2/3 of EJC cohort are from the 3 premier schools of CHS, SCGS and SNGS. The cut off points for EJC only indicates the quality of the intake for the JAE which forms less than a third of the cohort.

Are you saying the students from the 3 premier school \"will not do better than that\" ?

You seem very infuriated whenever I post remarks on EJC. If you have that much confidence in EJC, there is no need to post snide remarks in response to my posts. It is not an ultimatum of which JC will achieve better results in the A Levels, no one knows until the real deal is up. As you have said that the majority of EJC students are IP, does that mean that they triumph those JAE students?

Are you saying the students from the 3 premier school \"will do better than\" those in DHS, let alone VJ (Context: VJC is academically stronger based on A Level Results than DHS)

DHS: 257

St Nicks: 257
Catholic High: 252
SCGS: 253

Grandypa:

lee_yl:

[quote=\"mindays\"]
It is difficult to compare RVHS and EJC, especially so when the latter has yet to prove its worth. RVHS has been obtaining good results over the years but IMO (no offense), its one of the bottom few IPJCs, and its results can be almost on par with a non-IP JC like ACJC as both obtain similar results in the GCE A Level Examinations, 1 in 3 obtain 3H2 Distinctions and more. EJC having a COP of 9 for both Science and Arts is worser than ACJC's 7 for Science and 8 for Arts, I doubt that the pioneer batch of EJC will do any better than that. Still, I must put my stand that RVHS is better than EJC and this is just my 2 cents opinion. It's difficult to compare as I reiterate again.

RVHS is a bottom few IP JCs and EJC is worse than RVHS? Very biased statement.

COP of 9 is likely due to the fact that EJC is still at its temporary site, and once it moves to its permanent site in Bishan, it is likely to be more attractive. Considering the quality of its feeder secondary schools, it is a matter of time before EJC claims a spot among the more sought-after JCs. After all, before the start of IP, SCGS used to send lots of girls into RJC and St Nic sent tons into HCJC.

If one is staying in a central location, is there a need to travel all the way to Boon Lay?

lee_yl:

mindays:

It is difficult to compare RVHS and EJC, especially so when the latter has yet to prove its worth. RVHS has been obtaining good results over the years but IMO (no offense), its one of the bottom few IPJCs, and its results can be almost on par with a non-IP JC like ACJC as both obtain similar results in the GCE A Level Examinations, 1 in 3 obtain 3H2 Distinctions and more. EJC having a COP of 9 for both Science and Arts is worser than ACJC's 7 for Science and 8 for Arts, I doubt that the pioneer batch of EJC will do any better than that. Still, I must put my stand that RVHS is better than EJC and this is just my 2 cents opinion. It's difficult to compare as I reiterate again.

RVHS is a bottom few IP JCs and EJC is worse than RVHS? Very biased statement.

COP of 9 is likely due to the fact that EJC is still at its temporary site, and once it moves to its permanent site in Bishan, it is likely to be more attractive. Considering the quality of its feeder secondary schools, it is a matter of time before EJC claims a spot among the more sought-after JCs. After all, before the start of IP, SCGS used to send lots of girls into RJC and St Nic sent tons into HCJC.

If one is staying in a central location, is there a need to travel all the way to Boon Lay?

mindays:

stetan:

[quote=\"mindays\"]

VS IP leads up to VJC which holds a much better ranking than EJC (from CHS IP)
If CHS is still your primary choice, the O Level Track may be well suited as your DS will be able to ascend to better JCs after 4 years, and if EJC makes it to the higher ranks, your DS's still able to choose EJC

What a biased statement.

Both VS IP and CHS IP has COP of 252. They are the same.

VJC has been around for years, it is a respected JC. Just because EJC has not produced any A level graduates yet does not mean that EJC will be inferior to VJC. Look at the COP of the feeder schools to the 2 JCs :

VI 252
Cedar 254

SNGC 257
SCGS 252
CHS 252

mindays:

stetan:

[quote=\"mindays\"]
EJC having a COP of 9 for both Science and Arts is worser than ACJC's 7 for Science and 8 for Arts, I doubt that the pioneer batch of EJC will do any better than that..

You are deliberately being very naughty.

We all know that more than 2/3 of EJC cohort are from the 3 premier schools of CHS, SCGS and SNGS. The cut off points for EJC only indicates the quality of the intake for the JAE which forms less than a third of the cohort.

Are you saying the students from the 3 premier school \"will not do better than that\" ?

mindays:

I listed down the schools in order of the COP, to show the preference and standards of students admitting into the IP schools. Furthermore, I stated that RVHS and TJC were the bottom few IP schools as I have evidence of their A Level results to back me up. TJC on average has 30% of 3H2 Distinctions, RVHS, 32% approx. Comparing with other IPJCs like RJ and HCI, they can easily hit 60% of 3H2 Distinctions. VJC is not too far behind with approx. 50% of 3H2 Distinctions as well as DHS, high 40s to 50% approx. Now, it is understandable that to rank schools will unavoidably bring disgruntlement, but we are pragmatic Singaporeans aren't we? RVHS and TJC are pure IP schools, the best way to measure the intake would be the use of PSLE COP. VJC on the other hand has JAE students as the majority. I am not here to aggravate the situation and this thread should belong to the tertiary section. Further discussions should be made there. Period.

lee_yl:

mindays:

[quote=\"lee_yl\"]

RVHS is a bottom few IP JCs and EJC is worse than RVHS? Very biased statement.

COP of 9 is likely due to the fact that EJC is still at its temporary site, and once it moves to its permanent site in Bishan, it is likely to be more attractive. Considering the quality of its feeder secondary schools, it is a matter of time before EJC claims a spot among the more sought-after JCs. After all, before the start of IP, SCGS used to send lots of girls into RJC and St Nic sent tons into HCJC.

If one is staying in a central location, is there a need to travel all the way to Boon Lay?

No offense intended, but among all the IP Schools:

Nanyang Girls’ High School IP SAP (girls) – 264
Raffles Girls’ School (Secondary) IP (girls) – 261
Raffles Institution IP (boys) – 260
Hwa Chong Institution IP SAP (boys) – 259
CHIJ St. Nicholas Girls’ School IP SAP (girls) – 257
Dunman High School IP SAP (co-ed) – 257
National Junior College IP (co-ed) – 256
Methodist Girls’ School (Secondary) O-levels (girls) – 255
Cedar Girls’ Secondary School IP (girls) – 254
CHIJ St. Nicholas Girls’ School O-levels SAP (girls) – 253
Catholic High School IP SAP (boys) – 252
Singapore Chinese Girls’ School IP (girls) – 252
Singapore Chinese Girls’ School O-levels (girls) – 252
Victoria School IP (boys) – 252
River Valley High School IP SAP (co-ed) – 251
Anglo-Chinese School (Independent) O-levels (boys) – 250
Cedar Girls’ Secondary School – O-levels (girls) – 250
Paya Lebar Methodist Girls’ School (Secondary) (girls) – 250
Temasek Junior College IP (co-ed) – 250

RVHS is ranked as the 2nd from the bottom among all IP schools (ahead of TJC 250)
These are facts but nonetheless, they are still good schools.

I agree that it is difficult to compare the current status of EJC with other IPJCs and yes, it is a matter of time that its results will show. Regarding the COP of 9, as there are many factors to consider, it may be difficult to predict the trend as MOE has given the direction to increase the supply of placings in JCs. So lets say if EJC has 650 places currently, I am not surprised if the number of intake can hit 700 or 750. This will also then affect the COP

lee_yl:

mindays:

[quote=\"lee_yl\"]

RVHS is a bottom few IP JCs and EJC is worse than RVHS? Very biased statement.

COP of 9 is likely due to the fact that EJC is still at its temporary site, and once it moves to its permanent site in Bishan, it is likely to be more attractive. Considering the quality of its feeder secondary schools, it is a matter of time before EJC claims a spot among the more sought-after JCs. After all, before the start of IP, SCGS used to send lots of girls into RJC and St Nic sent tons into HCJC.

If one is staying in a central location, is there a need to travel all the way to Boon Lay?

No offense intended, but among all the IP Schools:

Nanyang Girls’ High School IP SAP (girls) – 264
Raffles Girls’ School (Secondary) IP (girls) – 261
Raffles Institution IP (boys) – 260
Hwa Chong Institution IP SAP (boys) – 259
CHIJ St. Nicholas Girls’ School IP SAP (girls) – 257
Dunman High School IP SAP (co-ed) – 257
National Junior College IP (co-ed) – 256
Methodist Girls’ School (Secondary) O-levels (girls) – 255
Cedar Girls’ Secondary School IP (girls) – 254
CHIJ St. Nicholas Girls’ School O-levels SAP (girls) – 253
Catholic High School IP SAP (boys) – 252
Singapore Chinese Girls’ School IP (girls) – 252
Singapore Chinese Girls’ School O-levels (girls) – 252
Victoria School IP (boys) – 252
River Valley High School IP SAP (co-ed) – 251
Anglo-Chinese School (Independent) O-levels (boys) – 250
Cedar Girls’ Secondary School – O-levels (girls) – 250
Paya Lebar Methodist Girls’ School (Secondary) (girls) – 250
Temasek Junior College IP (co-ed) – 250

RVHS is ranked as the 2nd from the bottom among all IP schools (ahead of TJC 250)
These are facts but nonetheless, they are still good schools.

I agree that it is difficult to compare the current status of EJC with other IPJCs and yes, it is a matter of time that its results will show. Regarding the COP of 9, as there are many factors to consider, it may be difficult to predict the trend as MOE has given the direction to increase the supply of placings in JCs. So lets say if EJC has 650 places currently, I am not surprised if the number of intake can hit 700 or 750. This will also then affect the COP

mindays:

lee_yl:

[quote=\"mindays\"]
It is difficult to compare RVHS and EJC, especially so when the latter has yet to prove its worth. RVHS has been obtaining good results over the years but IMO (no offense), its one of the bottom few IPJCs, and its results can be almost on par with a non-IP JC like ACJC as both obtain similar results in the GCE A Level Examinations, 1 in 3 obtain 3H2 Distinctions and more. EJC having a COP of 9 for both Science and Arts is worser than ACJC's 7 for Science and 8 for Arts, I doubt that the pioneer batch of EJC will do any better than that. Still, I must put my stand that RVHS is better than EJC and this is just my 2 cents opinion. It's difficult to compare as I reiterate again.

RVHS is a bottom few IP JCs and EJC is worse than RVHS? Very biased statement.

COP of 9 is likely due to the fact that EJC is still at its temporary site, and once it moves to its permanent site in Bishan, it is likely to be more attractive. Considering the quality of its feeder secondary schools, it is a matter of time before EJC claims a spot among the more sought-after JCs. After all, before the start of IP, SCGS used to send lots of girls into RJC and St Nic sent tons into HCJC.

If one is staying in a central location, is there a need to travel all the way to Boon Lay?

stetan:

mindays:

VS IP leads up to VJC which holds a much better ranking than EJC (from CHS IP)
If CHS is still your primary choice, the O Level Track may be well suited as your DS will be able to ascend to better JCs after 4 years, and if EJC makes it to the higher ranks, your DS's still able to choose EJC

What a biased statement.

Both VS IP and CHS IP has COP of 252. They are the same.

VJC has been around for years, it is a respected JC. Just because EJC has not produced any A level graduates yet does not mean that EJC will be inferior to VJC. Look at the COP of the feeder schools to the 2 JCs :

VI 252
Cedar 254

SNGC 257
SCGS 252
CHS 252

stetan:

mindays:

EJC having a COP of 9 for both Science and Arts is worser than ACJC's 7 for Science and 8 for Arts, I doubt that the pioneer batch of EJC will do any better than that..

You are deliberately being very naughty.

We all know that more than 2/3 of EJC cohort are from the 3 premier schools of CHS, SCGS and SNGS. The cut off points for EJC only indicates the quality of the intake for the JAE which forms less than a third of the cohort.

Are you saying the students from the 3 premier school \"will not do better than that\" ?

mindays:

VS IP leads up to VJC which holds a much better ranking than EJC (from CHS IP)
If CHS is still your primary choice, the O Level Track may be well suited as your DS will be able to ascend to better JCs after 4 years, and if EJC makes it to the higher ranks, your DS's still able to choose EJC

mindays:

EJC having a COP of 9 for both Science and Arts is worser than ACJC's 7 for Science and 8 for Arts, I doubt that the pioneer batch of EJC will do any better than that..