Affiliated Schools and their COPs

Reply to Affiliated Schools and their COPs on Sat, 25 Nov 2023 01:21:12 GMT

zac's mum — Sat, 25 Nov 2023 01:21:12 GMT

pandabear88\" post_id=\"2123527\" time=\"1700874223\" user_id=\"31976:

I mean for those who meet the affiliated cut off i.e. 12, is it quite assured that they are in since the COP is quite high? Any historical trend?

As long as they meet the Affiliate Minimum Requirement (AMR) of 12, they are assured of a place in SJI.

I dont think there has ever been balloting at 12. Seems to be more than enough seats. Dont forget those who scored 8 and better would pick IB track.

Those who score 13 and worse can use their affiliation to St Pat’s.

Reply to Affiliated Schools and their COPs on Sat, 25 Nov 2023 01:03:54 GMT

pandabear88 — Sat, 25 Nov 2023 01:03:54 GMT

I mean for those who meet the affiliated cut off i.e. 12, is it quite assured that they are in since the COP is quite high? Any historical trend?

Reply to Affiliated Schools and their COPs on Sat, 25 Nov 2023 01:03:43 GMT

pandabear88 — Sat, 25 Nov 2023 01:03:43 GMT

I mean for those who meet the affiliated cut off i.e. 12, is it quite assured that they are in since the COP is quite high? Any historical trend?

Reply to Affiliated Schools and their COPs on Fri, 24 Nov 2023 23:28:57 GMT

zac's mum — Fri, 24 Nov 2023 23:28:57 GMT

pandabear88\" post_id=\"2123507\" time=\"1700831923\" user_id=\"31976:

For SJI secondary, do all the qualified affiliated primary students get in given that their affiliation cut-off is quite high at 12?

Not sure what u mean by “qualified”. Qualified by having psle score better than or equal to 12?

Or qualified by virtue of coming from affiliated primary?

Reply to Affiliated Schools and their COPs on Fri, 24 Nov 2023 19:25:24 GMT

phtthp — Fri, 24 Nov 2023 19:25:24 GMT

pandabear88\" post_id=\"2123507\" time=\"1700831923\" user_id=\"31976:

For SJI secondary, do all the qualified affiliated primary students get in given that their affiliation cut-off is quite high at 12?

20% must be set aside, reserved for outsiders to enter SJI Secondary school. Outsiders means those P6 students from other primary schools who are not affliated to SJI in any way.

That means, 80% is capped for P6 students from the affliated SJI primary schools. It all depends on that particular PSLE year : how many affliated primary school students are keen (interested) to come back to SJI Secondary, because

those who do well may choose to go RI or Hwa Chong instead, or to some other IP schools or to ACSI. So, let's assuming that this year (2023), the demand is so high, so great that several affliated students are keen to come back to SJI,
then, to answer your question,
Yes,

it is possible that at the affliation Cut off point, whatever this affliation COP is, during balloting, some affliated P6 students can be balloted out, at the affliation Cut off point or boundary. These students will be posted to some other Secondary school, instead.

However, on the other hand, if the demand is not high by the affliated P6 students, then, no worry.

Reply to Affiliated Schools and their COPs on Fri, 24 Nov 2023 13:18:43 GMT

pandabear88 — Fri, 24 Nov 2023 13:18:43 GMT

For SJI secondary, do all the qualified affiliated primary students get in given that their affiliation cut-off is quite high at 12?

Reply to Affiliated Schools and their COPs on Tue, 08 Nov 2022 03:49:29 GMT

zac's mum — Tue, 08 Nov 2022 03:49:29 GMT

decollette\" post_id=\"2088205\" time=\"1667877401\" user_id=\"49326:

Hi,
I heard that affiliate COP will only apply in the case whereby the child puts the affiliated sec sch in the 1st order of choice.
Let's say the affiliate cop for express is 12 to 20. And child from affiliate sch puts the sch as 2nd order choice, meaning he/she will lose the affiliate cop and have to meet the non affiliate cop? So confused about this.

Correct. You may refer to: https://chijstjosephsconvent.moe.edu.sg/about-us/admission/sec-1-admission-via-psle-results

Check on the website of your child’s primary school as well. U may have missed the briefing for parents but essentially all affiliated schools (Express stream) have this crucial requirement that we have to follow, otherwise we surrender the affiliation priority/discount.

Reply to Affiliated Schools and their COPs on Tue, 08 Nov 2022 03:40:00 GMT

phtthp — Tue, 08 Nov 2022 03:40:00 GMT

decollette\" post_id=\"2088205\" time=\"1667877401\" user_id=\"49326:

Hi,
I heard that affiliate COP will only apply in the case whereby the child puts the affiliated sec sch in the 1st order of choice.
Let's say the affiliate cop for express is 12 to 20. And child from affiliate sch puts the sch as 2nd order choice, meaning he/she will lose the affiliate cop and have to meet the non affiliate cop? So confused about this.

depends, on how u put your first 2 choices.

Example (A)
==========

Let's say,
u are an SCGS primary school student.
You are affliated to your O-level (SCGS) programme, so long as your PSLE (AL score) is able to meet the SCGS \"Affliation COP\".

So, let's say u put your first 2 choices, like this :-

1) SCGS (IP)

2) SCGS (O-level)

What happen ?

Let's say, someone else's daughter did not meet the prevailing \"mark to market\" SCGS (IP) Cut off point.

As u know,
for all IP Secondary schools in Singapore,
apart from that exceptional one school, the one and only one Nanyang Girls' High, there is NO affliation to any other IP (A level) programme, in all other IP A-level destination bound schools.

(We are not refering to IB schools like SJI nor ACSI here, because these two are also IP Secondary schools. Only that the curriculum differs)

So, the MOE Secondary 1 posting computer algorithm will move down to choice #2, to check :-
Did this affliated student able to meet her \"qualifying \" SCGS Affliation O-level COP?

If Yes,
ok, computer then slot her successfully, into the O-level (SCGS).
So, this student will be posted into O-level (SCGS) track.

If No,
Sorry, inspite of generosity, this girl (student) still doesn't meet her qualifying generous affliation goodwill COP (back to SCGS), then computer will just move down to her choice #3, to process next.

In reality, most SCGS will be able to go back SCGS, under affliation.
Why ?

Because the Affliation AL score is so generous !

Example (B)
==========

But if u do not put SCGS as your #1 slot,
be it SCGS (IP) or SCGS (O-level),
but instead u go and put some other other Secondary school as your #1 slot,
then Yes,

u will lose your \"Affliation processing\" status.

Eg.
You put these three schools, inside your listing.

1) Raffles Girls Secondary
2) SCGS (IP)
3) SCGS (O-level)

What happen ?

If this SCGS pupil's PSLE (AL score)

failed to enter RGS (IP)
and also failed to enter SCGS (IP),

then
even though she does put SCGS (O-level) as #3, however, she already lost her affliation status !
What the computer does now,
is to check :-

Is this student still able to meet SCGS (O level) Non-affliation \"mark-to-market\" prevailing COP ?

If Yes,
great ! She can still be posted back to SCGS (O-level) track. But, no longer under the discounted privileged goodwill generous affliation scheme, anymore.

If No,
then computer just go down to her #3 third choice in the listing, to process.

COP : Cut off point

============================
Summarize

By simply NOT putting down your affliated Secondary school as your #1 choice, but instead go and choose some other Sec school in #1 spot, there u are, u lose your affliation status!

The same principle
apply to primary school students, who are affliated only to the O-level track in Secondary schools (Catholic High, St Nick).

Of course, if students absolutely not interested in IP (SCGS) at all,
only interested in O-level (SCGS), then just put down as your #1 first choice, below :-

1) SCGS (O-level)
2) some other Secondary school, etc

After all, not everybody is suitable, for the IP programme

Reply to Affiliated Schools and their COPs on Tue, 08 Nov 2022 03:30:29 GMT

coast — Tue, 08 Nov 2022 03:30:29 GMT

decollette\" post_id=\"2088205\" time=\"1667877401\" user_id=\"49326:

Hi,
I heard that affiliate COP will only apply in the case whereby the child puts the affiliated sec sch in the 1st order of choice.
Let's say the affiliate cop for express is 12 to 20. And child from affiliate sch puts the sch as 2nd order choice, meaning he/she will lose the affiliate cop and have to meet the non affiliate cop? So confused about this.

Yes, you are right.

For priority admission to the affiliated secondary school, your child must indicate that school as the first choice.
Note: Admission is not guaranteed.

The only exception is when the affiliated secondary school offers both IP and O-Level Programme. While affiliation considerations will only be given for the O-Level Programme, your child can indicate IP of the affiliated secondary school as first choice and O-Level of the affiliated secondary school as 2nd choice (if that is his preference). This will still qualify your child for priority admission to the affiliated secondary school.
Note: In case of any recent changes on this exception, please approach your child’s primary school for advice.

All the best.

Reply to Affiliated Schools and their COPs on Tue, 08 Nov 2022 03:16:41 GMT

decollette — Tue, 08 Nov 2022 03:16:41 GMT

Hi,

I heard that affiliate COP will only apply in the case whereby the child puts the affiliated sec sch in the 1st order of choice.
Let’s say the affiliate cop for express is 12 to 20. And child from affiliate sch puts the sch as 2nd order choice, meaning he/she will lose the affiliate cop and have to meet the non affiliate cop? So confused about this.

Reply to Affiliated Schools and their COPs on Tue, 11 May 2021 05:30:40 GMT

doodbug — Tue, 11 May 2021 05:30:40 GMT

I think things will change in the next generation. In our times, yes, the prestigious scholarships, admissions to Med/Law etc tend to be nearly almost entirely results-driven. The selection criteria has moved over the years. More attention is on holistic assessment now. I recall our time, Law/Med was interview plus written test (for Law, can’t recall if Med had written test) - now for Med, it’s a whole lot more of SJTs and what not which observe your interactions etc, and not solely dependent on grades and solo interview. Same with PSC scholarships - I think the overall selection is more holistic now.

Reply to Affiliated Schools and their COPs on Tue, 11 May 2021 05:22:29 GMT

mommyNg — Tue, 11 May 2021 05:22:29 GMT

slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2023576\" time=\"1620706428\" user_id=\"28674:

SG_KP1\" post_id=\"2023569\" time=\"1620702538\" user_id=\"188234:

Whether one of these paths develops the personal skills more, I'm not sure. But I do think leadership and EQ/AQ are dramatically under-rated. Despite how some of my posts may read, I don't think the world needs more AL 4, UAS RP 90, IBDP 45 scorers, etc or that these kids have some long-term advantage. In fact, many of these kids will be at a disadvantage by the time they are 25 or so (first job you can usually get by just \"doing stuff\" that is assigned to you).
From my perspective, getting close to the end of my working life, I agree! The ones of my cohort I see who have done the best (based on status and income) are not the highest academic achievers. Often, the most successful are those who are smart (but not necessarily the top ones) with a good range of interpersonal and managerial/leadership skills. The highest academic achievers are usually in more specialised and technical work - researchers, strategists, boffins, etc. Good scores help, of course but if \"success\" is what is desired, trying to be the top scorer is really not that important. Same in medicine - good skills matter, but so does the bedside manner. Those without that good bedside manner will not be the most popular doctors.

I agree too! Looking at the people from my cohorts, the most successful ones (in terms of career achievements/income/status) were not the highest academic achievers. Usually they have good social skills, and able to persevere and adapt to new challenges well. The “star students” in terms of academics (e.g., school top boy/girl, Dean’s list, prestigious scholarship holders) tend to “fade” from the high expectations of achievements.

Reply to Affiliated Schools and their COPs on Tue, 11 May 2021 04:13:48 GMT

sharonkhoo — Tue, 11 May 2021 04:13:48 GMT

SG_KP1\" post_id=\"2023569\" time=\"1620702538\" user_id=\"188234:

FWIW, from what (little) I can see I do think the A Level IP programs are trying to develop the students in many ways beyond just beating written tests. My boy seems to have some sort of group work in nearly every subject. It's just that it counts for very little or nothing in the yearly grade computation. But they are forced to organize themselves and sort out the differences to move forward and get stuff done.

Whether one of these paths develops the personal skills more, I'm not sure. But I do think leadership and EQ/AQ are dramatically under-rated. Despite how some of my posts may read, I don't think the world needs more AL 4, UAS RP 90, IBDP 45 scorers, etc or that these kids have some long-term advantage. In fact, many of these kids will be at a disadvantage by the time they are 25 or so (first job you can usually get by just \"doing stuff\" that is assigned to you).

So regardless of which path, I think it just takes a conscious effort to work on developing interpersonal skills, leadership, etc, which often involves doing something these kids are not comfortable with. I am happy that my older one has started doing more of this during the current year, as previously he wasn't too interested. The younger one seems to have taken to it a bit earlier, although there are not as many opportunities in primary school.

From my perspective, getting close to the end of my working life, I agree! The ones of my cohort I see who have done the best (based on status and income) are not the highest academic achievers. Often, the most successful are those who are smart (but not necessarily the top ones) with a good range of interpersonal and managerial/leadership skills. The highest academic achievers are usually in more specialised and technical work - researchers, strategists, boffins, etc. Good scores help, of course but if \"success\" is what is desired, trying to be the top scorer is really not that important. Same in medicine - good skills matter, but so does the bedside manner. Those without that good bedside manner will not be the most popular doctors.

Reply to Affiliated Schools and their COPs on Tue, 11 May 2021 03:43:57 GMT

MerlionInGermany — Tue, 11 May 2021 03:43:57 GMT

SG_KP1\" post_id=\"2023569\" time=\"1620702538\" user_id=\"188234:

My boy seems to have some sort of group work in nearly every subject. It's just that it counts for very little or nothing in the yearly grade computation. But they are forced to organize themselves and sort out the differences to move forward and get stuff done.

And counting for little or nothing, for a start, is actually good as everyone starts to learn to cooperate and collaborate.

Reply to Affiliated Schools and their COPs on Tue, 11 May 2021 03:08:58 GMT

SG_KP1 — Tue, 11 May 2021 03:08:58 GMT

FWIW, from what (little) I can see I do think the A Level IP programs are trying to develop the students in many ways beyond just beating written tests. My boy seems to have some sort of group work in nearly every subject. It’s just that it counts for very little or nothing in the yearly grade computation. But they are forced to organize themselves and sort out the differences to move forward and get stuff done.

Whether one of these paths develops the personal skills more, I’m not sure. But I do think leadership and EQ/AQ are dramatically under-rated. Despite how some of my posts may read, I don’t think the world needs more AL 4, UAS RP 90, IBDP 45 scorers, etc or that these kids have some long-term advantage. In fact, many of these kids will be at a disadvantage by the time they are 25 or so (first job you can usually get by just "doing stuff" that is assigned to you).

So regardless of which path, I think it just takes a conscious effort to work on developing interpersonal skills, leadership, etc, which often involves doing something these kids are not comfortable with. I am happy that my older one has started doing more of this during the current year, as previously he wasn’t too interested. The younger one seems to have taken to it a bit earlier, although there are not as many opportunities in primary school.

Reply to Affiliated Schools and their COPs on Tue, 11 May 2021 02:38:30 GMT

zac's mum — Tue, 11 May 2021 02:38:30 GMT

By the way, those affiliated primary schools who have not yet received any news about their AMR, upcoming parent-teacher meeting would be a good time to ask.

Or u can even email the principal to ask, Eg. after your child’s report book is released to you.

Reply to Affiliated Schools and their COPs on Tue, 11 May 2021 02:24:47 GMT

zac's mum — Tue, 11 May 2021 02:24:47 GMT

In terms of personality, I think introverts will probably prefer A level route, where the bulk of the work is individual mugging. Extroverts like my son will prefer IB route where all that networking (gossiping!) and collaboration will be of big help.

Reply to Affiliated Schools and their COPs on Tue, 11 May 2021 02:12:37 GMT

doodbug — Tue, 11 May 2021 02:12:37 GMT

I do enjoy listening to how IB students speak of their experiences - many seem to relish in the journey.

I am only familiar with the A levels (teachers in my family teach in JCs etc), but I hardly hear of anyone waxing lyrical about the curricular experience or the value of the curricular learning. (JC experience is a separate thing altogether, there are many who do love their JCs and the extracurriculars etc). My impression is that the A levels does require a lot of mugging.

That said, my kids are not of the personality of the 3 girls in the video link, lol

Both routes are fine, but yes, the IB route has rescused many SIngaporeans who would otherwise have gone overseas to boarding school for high school, or stay in mainstream schools in Singapore, but unlikely to have enjoyed the O and A levels.

Reply to Affiliated Schools and their COPs on Tue, 11 May 2021 01:50:03 GMT

zac's mum — Tue, 11 May 2021 01:50:03 GMT

For anyone who wants to watch (teen lingo aplenty). The students themselves talk about how IB route (at SJI, SSP and ACSI) are different from A level route:

https://youtu.be/uNIVlmb0nJQ

Reply to Affiliated Schools and their COPs on Tue, 11 May 2021 01:45:48 GMT

doodbug — Tue, 11 May 2021 01:45:48 GMT

Imp75\" post_id=\"2023560\" time=\"1620697102\" user_id=\"2358:

IP or IB, depends very much on the child isn't it. If child is strong in logic skills and therefore maths and sciences but can't really express well in writing, then I think maybe IB may not be that suitable?

I don't think the writing requirements are much more onerous under the IB - there is substantial choice and you can tailor. In fact, the 2nd language requirements are far less onerous under the IB programme - practically nearly all Singaporeans get 7 points for this segment. The H1 MT is substantially more difficult, even to pass. And passing does not help pull your UAS up.

Reply to Affiliated Schools and their COPs on Tue, 11 May 2021 01:38:22 GMT

Imp75 — Tue, 11 May 2021 01:38:22 GMT

IP or IB, depends very much on the child isn’t it. If child is strong in logic skills and therefore maths and sciences but can’t really express well in writing, then I think maybe IB may not be that suitable?

Reply to Affiliated Schools and their COPs on Tue, 11 May 2021 01:38:10 GMT

doodbug — Tue, 11 May 2021 01:38:10 GMT

Also, although the Singapore A levels may somewhat be related to the UK A levels, some will say that Singaporean students are disadvantaged in that there is no A* grading unlike the UK A levels. Also, our A level requirements are much more onerous than for the UK A level student, in that we are required to take GP, PW, Mother Tongue.

The IB qualification is recognized on the same bar, internationally. Singapore-Cambridge A levels is really, unique to Singapore and not all institutions internationally fully understand it. The Singapore-Cambridge A leels is obviously, fully recognized for local universities, i.e NUS, NTU, SMU, SUSS, SIT, SUTD.

Reply to Affiliated Schools and their COPs on Tue, 11 May 2021 01:31:58 GMT

doodbug — Tue, 11 May 2021 01:31:58 GMT

There is also a reason why there is a much stronger demand for IB than A levels by private, full fee-paying schools.

So I do think Singaporean students who get to do IB in ACSI, MGS, SOTA, SJI, SSP - it’s a real privilege!