<![CDATA[Malaysia Forest City]]>Yes. There are those who chooses to take the easy way out. Usually, these are the ones who may not raise in career so fast? I know our incumbent was doing very well, until he went into politics. Then, kah ghia don’t want to support him & play punk with delivery.


In my corporate experience, had come across some scholars who are good behind desk work but just 没有人缘 & boss just don’t like the face & ask my boss to sack him. My boss got us to drive thro orgn to find a suitable transfer. Boss hv a good heart as a young man with family to feed & hv no disciplinary issues. Today, the ‘saved’ engineer running his team in highly profitable China joint-venture, still contributing to the same orgn. That other head is long gone.

I do agree that organizations shld not just promote any personnel based on academic achievements. Entry level guys may rely solely on it w/o benefit of any career track records. However, a higher level job will need to train the fellow for ppl skills esp in todays context owise ppl will be promoted out of their competency. This is simply the Peter’s Principle of staff mobility.

Those moving to higher level jobs & who get things done need ppl skills & not all of us are cut out for it. Similarly, those running at higher level is limited in leadership if there is no technical competency to earn subordinate’s respect.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/topic/91982/malaysia-forest-cityRSS for NodeSat, 10 Oct 2026 00:18:20 GMTWed, 29 Aug 2018 08:27:26 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Malaysia Forest City on Wed, 29 Aug 2018 08:01:48 GMT]]>

floppy:
laughingcat:

Not everyone can be a leader. All the prolific qualification in the world does not determine a person is a natural leader.


The assumption is because one is the CDF of the SAF, one must naturally be a leader and be able to lead a large corporation and it's people on the ground - never mind the fact that promotion in SAF has more to do with academic qualification / academic competency than leadership qualities.

But hey, if the first one didn't work, let's try again... (and again... and again).
Even a broken clock is right twice a day 😉

Sad to have to agree with the above stereotype with the few SAF scholars whom I know of. One of them originally aspired to be a doctor since young but he told me as SAF does not offer scholarship for medicine study, he just anyhow picked a degree that he thought he would do well then hop to Oxbridge to finish his masters (this seems to be a 'natural path' for most of the higher tier scholars) and then let ah gong arrange the rest of his career. I really feel so sad (for him as well as for the taxpayers esp when he is from a rich family) when I knew that.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871198https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871198Wed, 29 Aug 2018 08:01:48 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Malaysia Forest City on Wed, 29 Aug 2018 07:44:15 GMT]]>

floppy:
If the opposition want to start a \"support the right successor, vote out the pretender\" campaign, they would have to recruit existing or ex- MP (but I doubt Cheo Chai Chen and Ling How Doong have any credibility :scared: ) MP to lead or support their campaign. Seriously, I doubt any of the current MP (be it PAP, WP or even ex- like TCB) would be daft enough to do that. Furthermore, this is unlikely to be an effective strategy given that concerns over the pretender would rank very low in the list of concerns that a voter might have (right after \"how to make sure I get into the primary schools of my choice\"). Like that how to take a GRC? 😉

Tee hee hee. That was assuming that voters care whether the next PM will be the right the successor or the pretender. Of course, if the majority don't care, the minority can shut up. :evil:

Who know? Maybe the Civil Service already does such a good job anybody can be PM and it won't make any difference. 🤷

Not to mention if concern low, can always stir, stir and stir. No? :siam: Anyway, probably still better chance than CSJ for PM... uhm... MP! 😆

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871188https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871188Wed, 29 Aug 2018 07:44:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Malaysia Forest City on Wed, 29 Aug 2018 07:42:13 GMT]]>

.zeit:
Everything also complain complain complain.


Watch this and appreciate what our govt is doing.

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPVFX3jyYyk][/youtube]
Zeit,

Thank you for sharing! :udawoman:

It's good to look fr the lenses of foreigners.

There are so many fake news & stoking fr a small weak point to blow up big so that ppl's balanced perspectives are skewed. We hv imperfection but in a small country lacking in major natural resources, we've been blessed.

Must travel abit or read news of how other govt abandon their ppl, corrupt & veer their 'allegiance' to others but forgot abt their own ppl's NEEDS. Not only that, our govt is still very fwd looking. Whilst we may not know all details, they're tunneling towards resources & leads towards our ctry & for our future progress.

I just can't wait for the day we hv more products coming frvother parts of China & Europe with much reduced cost via the One Belt proj. Hope it materializes for our future generations sake rather than griping thinking our own govt not doing work.

Somehow, there are some 'foreign' forumer a riding on KSP Forum to stoke fire & mislead ppl fr rational & objective thinking. We can never expect any govt to be perfect, neither are any one of us. But we've gotta be careful these ppl don't use our forum to 'nurture' dissentment and blindside our ppl.

Zeit, I'm hoping more will be like yourself, help to \"see thro\" these falsehoods that appears to reason intellectually but full of attacks towards our unity & patriotism. Thankful for all your input!

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871187https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871187Wed, 29 Aug 2018 07:42:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Malaysia Forest City on Wed, 29 Aug 2018 07:25:43 GMT]]>

laughingcat:
Not everyone can be a leader. All the prolific qualification in the world does not determine a person is a natural leader.

The assumption is because one is the CDF of the SAF, one must naturally be a leader and be able to lead a large corporation and it's people on the ground - never mind the fact that promotion in SAF has more to do with academic qualification / academic competency than leadership qualities.

But hey, if the first one didn't work, let's try again... (and again... and again).
Even a broken clock is right twice a day 😉

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871181https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871181Wed, 29 Aug 2018 07:25:43 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Malaysia Forest City on Wed, 29 Aug 2018 06:12:51 GMT]]>Everything also complain complain complain.


Watch this and appreciate what our govt is doing.

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPVFX3jyYyk][/youtube]

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871153https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871153Wed, 29 Aug 2018 06:12:51 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Malaysia Forest City on Wed, 29 Aug 2018 06:01:00 GMT]]>Not everyone can be a leader. All the prolific qualification in the world does not determine a person is a natural leader.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871146https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871146Wed, 29 Aug 2018 06:01:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Malaysia Forest City on Wed, 29 Aug 2018 05:15:53 GMT]]>Good job, Jennifer! :udawoman:

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871124https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871124Wed, 29 Aug 2018 05:15:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Malaysia Forest City on Wed, 29 Aug 2018 05:05:16 GMT]]>

Peiliang:

Many of these appointments are parachuted in without prior knowledge about the field they r taking over. E.g. when did Mindef started operating a train system? Which part of military experience can one translate into running NEA (Digging trenches maybe 😂 )?
I googled SMRT CEO.
The ex-CEO has educational background in engineering science (Uni. of Oxford) and public administration (Harvard).
The current CEO also comes with knowledge in engineering (King's College London), mgt of technology (MIT) and business (Harvard Business School).

I would think it is the ability to lead the people on the ground that is more important.

Is having prior knowledge in operating a train system really crucial?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871118https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871118Wed, 29 Aug 2018 05:05:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Malaysia Forest City on Wed, 29 Aug 2018 04:13:52 GMT]]>

Jennifer:
I may be OT here - is there a prejudice opinion against SAF personnel moving into govt office posts or heading SMRT?


The dissent opinions are based on one's personal knowledge of the other person's lack in character, calibre or simply based on \"I hate his face\"?

I have my boys coming back from school and poured grievances on me. When I asked whether they spoke to the person in charge, I was told no point doing so, the person wont listen. I do not understand my boys' rationale.
Peiliang:
School = Army? I dun quite get u...
Think there is a misunderstood situation here. But never mind, it is not important to clarify.
Peiliang:
I can tell u that for those who have been inside their own bubble for too long, their thinking is often warped, so they lack the flexibility to adjust their thinking.
I agree to this statement. But how do you know the so-called successor belong to this category of \"person living in a bubble\"?

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871090https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871090Wed, 29 Aug 2018 04:13:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Malaysia Forest City on Wed, 29 Aug 2018 04:07:31 GMT]]>

pirate:
Jennifer:

I may be OT here - is there a prejudice opinion against SAF personnel moving into govt office posts or heading SMRT?


The dissent opinions are based on one's personal knowledge of the other person's lack in character, calibre or simply based on \"I hate his face\"?

Maybe it is based on 2 - 2.5 years NS experience of being unimpressed with the leadership, reinforced every year or so during reservist? Does that count as personal knowledge? :siam:

:rotflmao: I was looking for personal knowledge of extended family members/ ex-classmates/ ex-schoolmates/ ex-colleagues.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871087https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871087Wed, 29 Aug 2018 04:07:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Malaysia Forest City on Wed, 29 Aug 2018 04:05:31 GMT]]>

pirate:
floppy:

[quote=\"pirate\"]
Hee hee hee. Still got time for citizens to apply pressure on said housekeeper to select the right successor. You want to start a petition? :evil:

When was the last time that a petition work in Singapore?
Right... never 😆

But our opposition too stupid to capitalize on this. No party has started a \"support the right successor, vote out the pretender\" election strategy yet. Got chance to take a GRC? At least can put in a couple of NCMPs or give them a scare like the Tin Tin fiasco in MP. 😆

PS. When the last time a petition worked? Dakota.[/quote]Strictly speaking, there wasn't a petition. There was, however, a \"Save Dakota Crescent campaign\". The actual differences between the two may be subtle, but they are still not quite the same. I agree that the campaign may have been effective in pushing the local MP to file the motion to conserve key areas of Dakota Crescent and subsequently, the catalyst (I hope, but nevermind lah, give them some credit) behind the decision by MND to \"adaptive reuse\" some of the old blocks, amenities and community spaces. That said, the campaign was led by local residents who happen to be architects so I am assuming that they are highly credible when offering their suggestions.

If the opposition want to start a \"support the right successor, vote out the pretender\" campaign, they would have to recruit existing or ex- MP (but I doubt Cheo Chai Chen and Ling How Doong have any credibility :scared: ) MP to lead or support their campaign. Seriously, I doubt any of the current MP (be it PAP, WP or even ex- like TCB) would be daft enough to do that. Furthermore, this is unlikely to be an effective strategy given that concerns over the pretender would rank very low in the list of concerns that a voter might have (right after \"how to make sure I get into the primary schools of my choice\"). Like that how to take a GRC? 😉

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871084https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871084Wed, 29 Aug 2018 04:05:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Malaysia Forest City on Wed, 29 Aug 2018 02:28:45 GMT]]>

Jennifer:
I may be OT here - is there a prejudice opinion against SAF personnel moving into govt office posts or heading SMRT?


The dissent opinions are based on one's personal knowledge of the other person's lack in character, calibre or simply based on \"I hate his face\"?
Maybe it is based on 2 - 2.5 years NS experience of being unimpressed with the leadership, reinforced every year or so during reservist? Does that count as personal knowledge? :siam:

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871053https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871053Wed, 29 Aug 2018 02:28:45 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Malaysia Forest City on Wed, 29 Aug 2018 02:20:09 GMT]]>

floppy:
pirate:


Hee hee hee. Still got time for citizens to apply pressure on said housekeeper to select the right successor. You want to start a petition? :evil:

When was the last time that a petition work in Singapore?
Right... never 😆

But our opposition too stupid to capitalize on this. No party has started a \"support the right successor, vote out the pretender\" election strategy yet. Got chance to take a GRC? At least can put in a couple of NCMPs or give them a scare like the Tin Tin fiasco in MP. 😆

PS. When the last time a petition worked? Dakota.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871052https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871052Wed, 29 Aug 2018 02:20:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Malaysia Forest City on Wed, 29 Aug 2018 02:18:14 GMT]]>

Jennifer:
I may be OT here - is there a prejudice opinion against SAF personnel moving into govt office posts or heading SMRT?


The dissent opinions are based on one's personal knowledge of the other person's lack in character, calibre or simply based on \"I hate his face\"?

I have my boys coming back from school and poured grievances on me. When I asked whether they spoke to the person in charge, I was told no point doing so, the person wont listen. I do not understand my boys' rationale.
School = Army? I dun quite get u... As a man who had done 2.5 years of NS coupled with completing my reservist, I can tell u that for those who have been inside their own bubble for too long, their thinking is often warped, so they lack the flexibility to adjust their thinking.

This is my personal feel that I think resonates with some of my peers, be they 30 or 70%:

Many of these appointments are parachuted in without prior knowledge about the field they r taking over. E.g. when did Mindef started operating a train system? Which part of military experience can one translate into running NEA (Digging trenches maybe 😂 )? Just because they are ex scholars, they can just earn these CEO appointments without sufficient field knowledge and get a huge non peanuts / non mediocre package? Dun they have to earn it?

The resentment will not have been so strong had the most glaring example of SMRT been functioning well. Some may argue that we r still better than other countries, but that is a slippery slope argument and runs agst the ethos our founding father built this land on.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871051https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871051Wed, 29 Aug 2018 02:18:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Malaysia Forest City on Tue, 28 Aug 2018 23:42:46 GMT]]>Depends on who the recipient is? Esp for those who love power, the more you ask for something, the more they enjoy thumbing you down or humiliating you. Not everyone nice and reasonable, especially if the other party is of a weaker position. They will show a different face if the request comes from a person of equal or higher position.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871018https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871018Tue, 28 Aug 2018 23:42:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Malaysia Forest City on Tue, 28 Aug 2018 23:37:30 GMT]]>

ammonite:
Jen, sometimes it’s the gap between ideal and reality.

I agree there is a difference between ideal and reality.
I feel that one can work towards better the reality to close the gap.
To work towards improving, communication is a key.
If one chooses to shut up, then it is a lose-lose situation to all.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871016https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871016Tue, 28 Aug 2018 23:37:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Malaysia Forest City on Tue, 28 Aug 2018 23:18:56 GMT]]>Jen, sometimes it’s the gap between ideal and reality.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871013https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871013Tue, 28 Aug 2018 23:18:56 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Malaysia Forest City on Tue, 28 Aug 2018 23:08:34 GMT]]>I may be OT here - is there a prejudice opinion against SAF personnel moving into govt office posts or heading SMRT?


The dissent opinions are based on one’s personal knowledge of the other person’s lack in character, calibre or simply based on "I hate his face"?

I have my boys coming back from school and poured grievances on me. When I asked whether they spoke to the person in charge, I was told no point doing so, the person wont listen. I do not understand my boys’ rationale.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871011https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1871011Tue, 28 Aug 2018 23:08:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Malaysia Forest City on Tue, 28 Aug 2018 09:16:37 GMT]]>

pirate:
Peiliang:

It's also a bad thing when the main housekeeper is not meritocratic and chooses the wrong person as successor, choosing to side with a chinese bloke that is an ex war chief but incapable of intellectual aspects of refinement vs the experienced Indian old hand well liked by more than him for fear of bring outshone. Not fair to the contracting party who are not paying peanuts for mediocre work and reasonably should be given the best man for the job.


Hee hee hee. Still got time for citizens to apply pressure on said housekeeper to select the right successor. You want to start a petition? :evil:

When was the last time that a petition work in Singapore?
Right... never 😆

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1870908https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1870908Tue, 28 Aug 2018 09:16:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Malaysia Forest City on Tue, 28 Aug 2018 07:41:34 GMT]]>

Peiliang:
It's also a bad thing when the main housekeeper is not meritocratic and chooses the wrong person as successor, choosing to side with a chinese bloke that is an ex war chief but incapable of intellectual aspects of refinement vs the experienced Indian old hand well liked by more than him for fear of bring outshone. Not fair to the contracting party who are not paying peanuts for mediocre work and reasonably should be given the best man for the job.

Hee hee hee. Still got time for citizens to apply pressure on said housekeeper to select the right successor. You want to start a petition? :evil:

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1870856https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1870856Tue, 28 Aug 2018 07:41:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Malaysia Forest City on Tue, 28 Aug 2018 04:51:35 GMT]]>It’s also a bad thing when the main housekeeper is not meritocratic and chooses the wrong person as successor, choosing to side with a chinese bloke that is an ex war chief but incapable of intellectual aspects of refinement vs the experienced Indian old hand well liked by more than him for fear of bring outshone. Not fair to the contracting party who are not paying peanuts for mediocre work and reasonably should be given the best man for the job.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1870716https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1870716Tue, 28 Aug 2018 04:51:35 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Malaysia Forest City on Tue, 28 Aug 2018 04:47:56 GMT]]>It is good to have a regular audit and a real checker. When one stays in the same job for too long, "know-it-all" and complacency attitude comes in.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1870711https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1870711Tue, 28 Aug 2018 04:47:56 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Malaysia Forest City on Tue, 28 Aug 2018 04:31:39 GMT]]>

Jennifer:
https://s15.postimg.cc/ix0s1hr2j/IMG_2791.jpg\">


news like this make me more appreciative of political stability in a country (with a clean govt).

Just like one can always find dust and pests in a house, cleaning is a never ending job.
Maintaining a clean govt is also a never ending job.
Once a while, dust and pests do find their way into a clean house.
Let's be more patient with the housekeeper.

😉
News like this make us more aware of the skeletons in the closet, which usually appears when a new contractor is appointed to clean house.

Sometimes, dust and pests are hidden under the carpet, in the corner hidden from view, etc but on the surface, everything looks nice, clean and efficient. What truly hides in between is everyone's guess, until it bursts out in the open.
Maintaining a clean government is a never ending job, but being too trusting is also no good, especially when the housekeeper is professing to ownself check ownself.

The irony being that political instability is not necessary bad, and political stability is not necessary good.

]]>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1870700https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1870700Tue, 28 Aug 2018 04:31:39 GMT