Any Chinese ethnic minorities out there?

Reply to Any Chinese ethnic minorities out there? on Sun, 28 Jul 2019 04:16:17 GMT

floppy — Sun, 28 Jul 2019 04:16:17 GMT

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You all ah. So funny!

You can purchase the dolls as well as the costumes from Taobao (male & female).
Actually, a lot of the costumes advertised in Taobao are not authentic. The same costume is sold as She, Miao, Yao, Zhuang etc etc.

What's authentic and what's not?
Costume made by real tribal people is authentic? Made by outsider is not?
Must be made by hand? Traditional process? Or are modern methods / machinery acceptable?

Unless you are looking at a hand-me-down or family heirloom, you could, in theory, argue that none of the modern stuff is authentic lor

https://postimg.cc/8jMMVG9W

Notwithstanding, the costume looks good for racial harmony day

Reply to Any Chinese ethnic minorities out there? on Sat, 27 Jul 2019 16:02:56 GMT

pirate — Sat, 27 Jul 2019 16:02:56 GMT

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There were many 本省台湾汉族 civil servants posted from Japan colony, Taiwan, to Manchukuo from 1932-45.

Not surprising. Some of the 'Japanese' soldiers in Singapore and Malaya were actually Taiwanese or Koreans.

Reply to Any Chinese ethnic minorities out there? on Sat, 27 Jul 2019 15:58:23 GMT

pirate — Sat, 27 Jul 2019 15:58:23 GMT

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You all ah. So funny!

You can purchase the dolls as well as the costumes from Taobao (male & female).

Actually, a lot of the costumes advertised in Taobao are not authentic. The same costume is sold as She, Miao, Yao, Zhuang etc etc.

Reply to Any Chinese ethnic minorities out there? on Sat, 27 Jul 2019 14:35:13 GMT

.010675zeit — Sat, 27 Jul 2019 14:35:13 GMT

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Do they come alive at night?

Come and play with me?
https://postimg.cc/1VnSYRp0

My collection's all handpainted clay mini-figurines without limbs. You can get them from Taobao.
https://postimg.cc/14ZPPFp6

Reply to Any Chinese ethnic minorities out there? on Sat, 27 Jul 2019 14:29:58 GMT

.010675zeit — Sat, 27 Jul 2019 14:29:58 GMT

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Have you ever seen your mainland relatives donning the She ethnic costumes before? Maybe they have a set somewhere at home?! I still don't know how you can be so sure that you are a She minority.
Because our 族谱 is still quite intact in the village (now officially designated XX畲族村), so I can trace my genealogy all the way back to the 畲族 ancestor who founded the village in the Ming Dynasty. I suspect they already threw away the ethnic costumes in the Qing dynasty. The current ones probably only to sing sing dance dance the tourists .

OK. I just asked because once I visited a 八旗子弟's 胡同四合院 in Beijing. The lady showed me her full trunk of Manchurian heirloom comprising pennants and what nots she'd kept all these years.

Btw, 刘家昌 was born in Manchukuo （辽、黑、吉） - the puppet state created by the Japanese. However, he is Shandongese apparently. I don't know why his Shandong parents were in Harbin, Heilongjiang, causing him be born there as a Manchukuo citizen. There were many 本省台湾汉族 civil servants posted from Japan colony, Taiwan, to Manchukuo from 1932-45.

Reply to Any Chinese ethnic minorities out there? on Sat, 27 Jul 2019 14:24:04 GMT

Nebbermind — Sat, 27 Jul 2019 14:24:04 GMT

Do they come alive at night?

Reply to Any Chinese ethnic minorities out there? on Sat, 27 Jul 2019 14:21:49 GMT

.010675zeit — Sat, 27 Jul 2019 14:21:49 GMT

You all ah. So funny!

You can purchase the dolls as well as the costumes from Taobao (male & female).

https://postimg.cc/QVzvbhvx

https://postimg.cc/k2vjkmYS

I own the full set of 56 ethnic minorities 泥娃娃. Got them from Beijing.

Reply to Any Chinese ethnic minorities out there? on Sat, 27 Jul 2019 11:49:47 GMT

Nebbermind — Sat, 27 Jul 2019 11:49:47 GMT

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floppy\" post_id=\"1923056\" time=\"1564129300\" user_id=\"97579:
畲族 (costume) quite chio leh!

https://gss0.bdstatic.com/94o3dSag_xI4khGkpoWK1HF6hhy/baike/c0%3Dbaike80%2C5%2C5%2C80%2C26/sign=5395fef64d4a20a425133495f13bf347/dc54564e9258d109a35d0f56d358ccbf6d814d93.jpg\">
:slapshead:

I wonder if can get from Taobao... :evil:

Girl? Traditional clothing? Both?

Reply to Any Chinese ethnic minorities out there? on Fri, 26 Jul 2019 16:01:58 GMT

pirate — Fri, 26 Jul 2019 16:01:58 GMT

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畲族 (costume) quite chio leh!

https://gss0.bdstatic.com/94o3dSag_xI4khGkpoWK1HF6hhy/baike/c0%3Dbaike80%2C5%2C5%2C80%2C26/sign=5395fef64d4a20a425133495f13bf347/dc54564e9258d109a35d0f56d358ccbf6d814d93.jpg\">

:slapshead:

I wonder if can get from Taobao... :evil:

Reply to Any Chinese ethnic minorities out there? on Fri, 26 Jul 2019 08:21:40 GMT

floppy — Fri, 26 Jul 2019 08:21:40 GMT

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Have you ever seen your mainland relatives donning the She ethnic costumes before? Maybe they have a set somewhere at home?! I still don't know how you can be so sure that you are a She minority.
Because our 族谱 is still quite intact in the village (now officially designated XX畲族村), so I can trace my genealogy all the way back to the 畲族 ancestor who founded the village in the Ming Dynasty. I suspect they already threw away the ethnic costumes in the Qing dynasty. The current ones probably only to sing sing dance dance the tourists .

畲族 (costume) quite chio leh!

https://gss0.bdstatic.com/94o3dSag_xI4khGkpoWK1HF6hhy/baike/c0%3Dbaike80%2C5%2C5%2C80%2C26/sign=5395fef64d4a20a425133495f13bf347/dc54564e9258d109a35d0f56d358ccbf6d814d93.jpg\">

Reply to Any Chinese ethnic minorities out there? on Fri, 26 Jul 2019 08:05:09 GMT

pirate — Fri, 26 Jul 2019 08:05:09 GMT

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Have you ever seen your mainland relatives donning the She ethnic costumes before? Maybe they have a set somewhere at home?! I still don't know how you can be so sure that you are a She minority.

Because our 族谱 is still quite intact in the village (now officially designated XX畲族村), so I can trace my genealogy all the way back to the 畲族 ancestor who founded the village in the Ming Dynasty. I suspect they already threw away the ethnic costumes in the Qing dynasty. The current ones probably only to sing sing dance dance the tourists .

Reply to Any Chinese ethnic minorities out there? on Fri, 26 Jul 2019 07:06:34 GMT

.010675zeit — Fri, 26 Jul 2019 07:06:34 GMT

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I think beyond the third generation, most Chinese Singaporeans would have lost it. This getting into contact with mainland keepers of the ancestral booklet being done by my aunts who are in their 70s and 80s. Even some mainland families don't bother anymore, especially those living in the big cities.

Cos of the cultural revolution, KMT retreat to TW and constant unrests in post-colonial SEA, overseas Chinese avoided the mainland for several decades until the late 80s. The overseas Chinese were the ones with money to help rebuild and upkeep those ancestral stuffs. Without financial support, all these memories will just fade away over time. Further fuelling that were: the adoption of Christianity and other religions that do not practise Qingming, mixed marriages, western education, national propaganda, ethnic whitewashing to maintain social cohesion and so on.

Have you ever seen your mainland relatives donning the She ethnic costumes before? Maybe they have a set somewhere at home?! I still don't know how you can be so sure that you are a She minority.

Reply to Any Chinese ethnic minorities out there? on Fri, 26 Jul 2019 07:01:40 GMT

floppy — Fri, 26 Jul 2019 07:01:40 GMT

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OK, Ai Tong win liao!
Was Ai Tong at the same location as present?

I know in the 70s, there were still many 'kampong' school...those single storey building with just a basketball court you see in 早安老师.

Different location (but not that far away, just across the park).

1980 was the first year in a new campus in Ang Mo Kio (part of the present location of Mayflower Secondary School). Hence, if there was ever a KSP thread, it will be called \"1979 P1 Registration Exercise for 1980 In-take\". Imagine, only 2 applicants, not much advice to give because sure bao jiak for the school. Everyone in Ang Mo Kio in 1979 and 1980 was rushing to Ang Mo Kio (estb 1978) and Mayflower Primary School (estb 1979) because no one wants to study in a Chinese school lah

Reply to Any Chinese ethnic minorities out there? on Fri, 26 Jul 2019 06:52:21 GMT

Nebbermind — Fri, 26 Jul 2019 06:52:21 GMT

OK, Ai Tong win liao!

Was Ai Tong at the same location as present?

I know in the 70s, there were still many ‘kampong’ school…those single storey building with just a basketball court you see in 早安老师.

Reply to Any Chinese ethnic minorities out there? on Fri, 26 Jul 2019 06:51:39 GMT

zac's mum — Fri, 26 Jul 2019 06:51:39 GMT

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Hainanese can join SHHK to enrol in those 5 Hokkien primary schools? U must have connections with SHHK to do so in the olden days, like my non-Hokkien relatives 'sneaked' into ATS with the help of LKC. Fake Hokkiens.

I believe nowadays to join SHHK the minimum is must have Hokkien dialect group printed on your birth cert. I did consider that route but didn’t like the idea of having to lead tour groups in Thian Hock Keng temple to clock the hours.

Reply to Any Chinese ethnic minorities out there? on Fri, 26 Jul 2019 06:46:41 GMT

floppy — Fri, 26 Jul 2019 06:46:41 GMT

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Tao Nan was in the present Perankan Museum...it was THAT SMALL!!

Just to add to my earlier comment about the popularity of SHHK schools:

In 1979, only 2 students (!) registered to join Ai Tong (and 1 of them eventually withdraw) when there were 2,000 vacancies (across all levels). At that time, Ai Tong had less registrations compared to Ang Mo Kio and Mayflower Primary. They had to take on students who couldn't secure a place at those 2 schools in order to function (much like Phase 2CS / Phase 3 today ).

In 1980, Tao Nan had 80 children by the end of registration when they targeted 240. To ensure that the school can function with sufficient students, they had to take on monolingual and extended classes.

Reply to Any Chinese ethnic minorities out there? on Fri, 26 Jul 2019 06:31:17 GMT

.010675zeit — Fri, 26 Jul 2019 06:31:17 GMT

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Hainanese can join SHHK to enrol in those 5 Hokkien primary schools? U must have connections with SHHK to do so in the olden days, like my non-Hokkien relatives 'sneaked' into ATS with the help of LKC. Fake Hokkiens.
I'm not a member of SHHK wor :rotflmao:
But if I have to, my wife is Hokkien

By the way, in the olden days, SHHK schools were never 'hot'. Most, if not all, of them were at risk of closing down at one point in time or another. They were either seen as 'Chinese' schools (when English-medium schools were the rage) or 'secret society' schools because a number of their students were part of the triads. It's through some support and luck that their reputation grow and become 'hot' today.

I see. I always see you advising people in the P1 Registration Clan, religious, community thread!

But triads were and still are not dialect-specific. They had a larger common cause which was to 反清复明 or rather to SunYS, was to 光复中华。

Reply to Any Chinese ethnic minorities out there? on Fri, 26 Jul 2019 06:29:21 GMT

Nebbermind — Fri, 26 Jul 2019 06:29:21 GMT

Tao Nan was in the present Perankan Museum…it was THAT SMALL!!

Reply to Any Chinese ethnic minorities out there? on Fri, 26 Jul 2019 06:28:28 GMT

.010675zeit — Fri, 26 Jul 2019 06:28:28 GMT

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Hainanese can join SHHK to enrol in those 5 Hokkien primary schools? U must have connections with SHHK to do so in the olden days, like my non-Hokkien relatives 'sneaked' into ATS with the help of LKC. Fake Hokkiens.
Is SHHK members priority restricted to only father or both or either?

You mean today? Today they go by the father's lineage I guess.

Reply to Any Chinese ethnic minorities out there? on Fri, 26 Jul 2019 06:28:06 GMT

floppy — Fri, 26 Jul 2019 06:28:06 GMT

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Hainanese can join SHHK to enrol in those 5 Hokkien primary schools? U must have connections with SHHK to do so in the olden days, like my non-Hokkien relatives 'sneaked' into ATS with the help of LKC. Fake Hokkiens.

I'm not a member of SHHK wor :rotflmao:
But if I have to, my wife is Hokkien

By the way, in the olden days, SHHK schools were never 'hot'. Most, if not all, of them were at risk of closing down at one point in time or another. They were either seen as 'Chinese' schools (when English-medium schools were the rage) or 'secret society' schools because a number of their students were part of the triads. Therefore, it was a lot easier to enter their schools compared to today.

It's really through lots of support and some luck that their reputation grew and become 'hot' today.

Reply to Any Chinese ethnic minorities out there? on Fri, 26 Jul 2019 06:24:15 GMT

Nebbermind — Fri, 26 Jul 2019 06:24:15 GMT

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Hainanese can join SHHK to enrol in those 5 Hokkien primary schools? U must have connections with SHHK to do so in the olden days, like my non-Hokkien relatives 'sneaked' into ATS with the help of LKC. Fake Hokkiens.

Is SHHK members priority restricted to only father or both or either?

Reply to Any Chinese ethnic minorities out there? on Fri, 26 Jul 2019 06:16:08 GMT

.010675zeit — Fri, 26 Jul 2019 06:16:08 GMT

Hainanese can join SHHK to enrol in those 5 Hokkien primary schools? U must have connections with SHHK to do so in the olden days, like my non-Hokkien relatives ‘sneaked’ into ATS with the help of LKC. Fake Hokkiens.

Reply to Any Chinese ethnic minorities out there? on Fri, 26 Jul 2019 06:07:55 GMT

.010675zeit — Fri, 26 Jul 2019 06:07:55 GMT

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Mine's the other way round. My clan in Singapore has the nearly intact 族谱 tracing back to the original 'migrants' to the province (the original inhabitants, one of the 56 recognized, are the largest minority group in the province and held in high esteem by CPC because, like pirate said, they fought alongside the Communist against the Nationalist). Those found overseas, especially in China, are often incomplete or in bad condition as most copies of the 族谱 were lost or destroyed during the cultural revolution. Hence, distant relatives or researchers from China and elsewhere had to come to Singapore to do the trace if they are interested in stuff pre-cultural revolution.

And if anyone's interested, I'm Han (华夏族) :rotflmao:

Mine's quite intact and well-maintained. Maybe they were staying nearer to urban/concession areas, particularly near to the Nationalist govt capital Nanking, plus most were not illiterate (民国军公教商) hence bothered to keep track of such documents. I believe most immigrants (those who came 150-200 yrs ago) might have lost touch with their ancestors.

Both sides of my clan are Han。But in colonial Singapore it didn't matter. Easier to govern using CMIO.