Does HAP still exist?

Reply to Does HAP still exist? on Mon, 08 Jan 2024 14:51:00 GMT

00skyblue00 — Mon, 08 Jan 2024 14:51:00 GMT

mystique_j\" post_id=\"2126586\" time=\"1704723899\" user_id=\"39431:

Hi, does anyone know if there's a possibility of a kid to be offered both E2K and Wits n Words or it's not possible because likely these will clash in terms of timing?

Possible to get offered both as one is by a Eng tr and the other is by a Math tr. But the training days may fall on same day of week which happened to us. A few still take both up but sacrificed e2k training or over to the other after WnW training ended. I don't think actual day clashed though. But not sure, that was 3 yrs ago.

Reply to Does HAP still exist? on Mon, 08 Jan 2024 14:24:59 GMT

mystique_j — Mon, 08 Jan 2024 14:24:59 GMT

Hi, does anyone know if there’s a possibility of a kid to be offered both E2K and Wits n Words or it’s not possible because likely these will clash in terms of timing?

Reply to Does HAP still exist? on Sat, 01 Feb 2020 06:21:16 GMT

6thisnthat9 — Sat, 01 Feb 2020 06:21:16 GMT

Thanks for sharing everyone, Swc, Serendipity and Zac’s mum

Reply to Does HAP still exist? on Sat, 01 Feb 2020 01:44:09 GMT

Serendipity — Sat, 01 Feb 2020 01:44:09 GMT

6thisnthat9\" post_id=\"1961486\" time=\"1580520166\" user_id=\"145858:

already committed to a few of the above. Just got offered with IvP. not sure abt IvP. cos dc real passion is books and writing, so I am rooting for her to get something more beneficial later. worry that taking up extra may jeopardize that. Any idea abt ivp?

There's more info abt IvP here: https://www.moe.gov.sg/education/programmes/gifted-education-programme/special-programmes/innovation-programme

Essentially it's a good programme if you'd like your child to be exposed to problem solving and creative thinking skills. They'd have to identify a community need and design a product that would serve to meet that need. Students also get a chance to get authentic feedback on their product from relevant experts in the industry (not just their teachers). They will have to learn to present their ideas throughout the programme. The programme culminates in a fair where the better projects are showcased. If not chosen to showcase your project, students will still be able to attend the fair and look at the showcased projects. Outstanding projects can be chosen for the Tan Kah Kee Young Inventors' Award.

Of course, caveat is that how much one learns from the programme depends on how much effort and time one devotes to the research, design and presentation.

Reply to Does HAP still exist? on Sat, 01 Feb 2020 01:24:49 GMT

Swc — Sat, 01 Feb 2020 01:24:49 GMT

6thisnthat9\" post_id=\"1961472\" time=\"1580516605\" user_id=\"145858:

Thanks Zac's mum for sharing. I have my suspicion that could be related to GEP round 2 as I heard round 1 is no different from school exam. I was wondering how child got selected when her sch results are not outstanding. ok but not outstanding, some prog, kids with higher scores not selected. not all top students are in all the prog. Dc never get selected for math prog, result over 90 but not keen in maths, other kids score higher.

Based on the kids got selected for diff prog, some top kids in class or level, not in them. I know there is kid who reject e2k sci offer because of tuition. Top kid, his mum has 4 kids, so must know something.

Wits & Words could be based on school oral exam too. Dc could have scored full marks in oral, only a guess as sch doesnt disclose oral and compo separately. Our sch has no oratorical club. Schs with oratorical club, are kids selected to join? or it is open to all?

e2k sci shld be based on sch sci exam.

How abt IvP? cannot be based on english or maths results. GEP test do not include sci. Is this prog realistic? I read abt it at MOE website but for P5, I dont know. Not all top kids are in. Any parents can share?

So far I gathered from dc, one or two top scorers are not in such prog, why? too time consuming?

Trying to find out more so that I know how to be selective. dc has full day week for whole week with such progs and still not enough, child just want to try everything, dont know own passion in which area.

For DD's school, students interested in oratorical Club have to go through an audition before they get selected to join oratorical Club.

For IvP programme, selection is based in school's science results and child's aptitude (this part based on teacher's nomination).

Reply to Does HAP still exist? on Sat, 01 Feb 2020 01:22:46 GMT

6thisnthat9 — Sat, 01 Feb 2020 01:22:46 GMT

Serendipity\" post_id=\"1961474\" time=\"1580517719\" user_id=\"9658:

What programmes are you choosing from?

already committed to a few of the above. Just got offered with IvP. not sure abt IvP. cos dc real passion is books and writing, so I am rooting for her to get something more beneficial later. worry that taking up extra may jeopardize that. Any idea abt ivp?

Reply to Does HAP still exist? on Sat, 01 Feb 2020 01:16:59 GMT

6thisnthat9 — Sat, 01 Feb 2020 01:16:59 GMT

zac's mum\" post_id=\"1961479\" time=\"1580518772\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=1961479 time=1580518772 user_id=53606]
Hi 6thisandthat9, if your child is selected and is keen, just let them go and try it. I recall u mentioned before that they are active and need lots of activity/stimulation after school to engage their brain? Not sure was it you or cutepandabear.

My child not selected for anything. Want to go also cannot go.[/quote]

Could be me, both kids have high energy level but only 1 cleared round 1. the other not selected for those I mentioned above too, but passionate about only 1 thing, robotics cca, fortunately he is happy with that. as long as your boy has one focus, he is happy, is good too. I believe that boys' peak will come in sec school, cross fingers.

I also suspect not all experienced parents will allow their kids to take up all such progs, can be time consuming and distracting. Just when I wanted kids to be more serious about coming PSLE next year, to start doing some assessment books, not easy to juggle with such distraction and scheduling. Like you said, they have their outside sch progs so now, I may have to cut down on some. Not easy.

Reply to Does HAP still exist? on Sat, 01 Feb 2020 00:59:32 GMT

zac's mum — Sat, 01 Feb 2020 00:59:32 GMT

Hi 6thisandthat9, if your child is selected and is keen, just let them go and try it. I recall u mentioned before that they are active and need lots of activity/stimulation after school to engage their brain? Not sure was it you or cutepandabear.

My child not selected for anything. Want to go also cannot go.

Reply to Does HAP still exist? on Sat, 01 Feb 2020 00:41:59 GMT

Serendipity — Sat, 01 Feb 2020 00:41:59 GMT

6thisnthat9\" post_id=\"1961472\" time=\"1580516605\" user_id=\"145858:

Thanks Zac's mum for sharing. I have my suspicion that could be related to GEP round 2 as I heard round 1 is no different from school exam. I was wondering how child got selected when her sch results are not outstanding. ok but not outstanding, some prog, kids with higher scores not selected. not all top students are in all the prog. Dc never get selected for math prog, result over 90 but not keen in maths, other kids score higher.

Based on the kids got selected for diff prog, some top kids in class or level, not in them. I know there is kid who reject e2k sci offer because of tuition. Top kid, his mum has 4 kids, so must know something.

Wits & Words could be based on school oral exam too. Dc could have scored full marks in oral, only a guess as sch doesnt disclose oral and compo separately. Our sch has no oratorical club. Schs with oratorical club, are kids selected to join? or it is open to all?

e2k sci shld be based on sch sci exam.

How abt IvP? cannot be based on english or maths results. GEP test do not include sci. Is this prog realistic? I read abt it at MOE website but for P5, I dont know. Not all top kids are in. Any parents can share?

So far I gathered from dc, one or two top scorers are not in such prog, why? too time consuming?

Trying to find out more so that I know how to be selective. dc has full day week for whole week and still not enough, child just want to try everything, dont know own passion in which area.
zac's mum\" post_id=\"1961462\" time=\"1580485073\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=1961462 time=1580485073 user_id=53606]
What programmes are you choosing from?

Reply to Does HAP still exist? on Sat, 01 Feb 2020 00:23:25 GMT

6thisnthat9 — Sat, 01 Feb 2020 00:23:25 GMT

Thanks Zac's mum for sharing. I have my suspicion that could be related to GEP round 2 as I heard round 1 is no different from school exam. I was wondering how child got selected when her sch results are not outstanding. ok but not outstanding, some prog, kids with higher scores not selected. not all top students are in all the prog. Dc never get selected for math prog, result over 90 but not keen in maths, other kids score higher.

Based on the kids got selected for diff prog, some top kids in class or level, not in them. I know there is kid who reject e2k sci offer because of tuition. Top kid, his mum has 4 kids, so must know something.

Wits & Words could be based on school oral exam too. Dc could have scored full marks in oral, only a guess as sch doesnt disclose oral and compo separately. Our sch has no oratorical club. Schs with oratorical club, are kids selected to join? or it is open to all?

e2k sci shld be based on sch sci exam.

How abt IvP? cannot be based on english or maths results. GEP test do not include sci. Is this prog realistic? I read abt it at MOE website but for P5, I dont know. Not all top kids are in. Any parents can share?

So far I gathered from dc, one or two top scorers are not in such prog, why? too time consuming?

Trying to find out more so that I know how to be selective. dc has full day week for whole week with such progs and still not enough, child just want to try everything, dont know own passion in which area.

zac's mum\" post_id=\"1961462\" time=\"1580485073\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=1961462 time=1580485073 user_id=53606]
6thisnthat9\" post_id=\"1961446\" time=\"1580471669\" user_id=\"145858:
Selected by the school.

DS’ school told us that GEB will send them 3 lists of names: those students from their school who scored “well” in (a) Round 1 English, (b) Round 1 Math (c) both.

School will use this list to determine who is offered the relevant programs.

If any remaining places then school will use overall grades to select.

What I can’t understand is why Wits and Words debating program selection is not based on how well the child can speak. Using English written exam grades to select is a bit off.

Reply to Does HAP still exist? on Fri, 31 Jan 2020 19:36:19 GMT

Swc — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 19:36:19 GMT

zac's mum\" post_id=\"1961462\" time=\"1580485073\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=1961462 time=1580485073 user_id=53606]
6thisnthat9\" post_id=\"1961446\" time=\"1580471669\" user_id=\"145858:
Selected by the school.

DS’ school told us that GEB will send them 3 lists of names: those students from their school who scored “well” in (a) Round 1 English, (b) Round 1 Math (c) both.

School will use this list to determine who is offered the relevant programs.

If any remaining places then school will use overall grades to select.

What I can’t understand is why Wits and Words debating program selection is not based on how well the child can speak. Using English written exam grades to select is a bit off.

Different schools have different ways to select. Last time DD's school, Wits n Words opened to all members of their oratorical club.

Reply to Does HAP still exist? on Fri, 31 Jan 2020 15:37:53 GMT

zac's mum — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 15:37:53 GMT

6thisnthat9\" post_id=\"1961446\" time=\"1580471669\" user_id=\"145858:

Anyone knows if prog like e2k, Wits & Words, IvP, CWP etc are selected by school or by GEP branch from the GEP screening and selection tests?

Read abt HAP from old posts (2011).

Selected by the school.

DS’ school told us that GEB will send them 3 lists of names: those students from their school who scored “well” in (a) Round 1 English, (b) Round 1 Math (c) both.

School will use this list to determine who is offered the relevant programs.

If any remaining places then school will use overall grades to select.

What I can’t understand is why Wits and Words debating program selection is not based on how well the child can speak. Using English written exam grades to select is a bit off.

Reply to Does HAP still exist? on Fri, 31 Jan 2020 14:11:08 GMT

Swc — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 14:11:08 GMT

6thisnthat9\" post_id=\"1961446\" time=\"1580471669\" user_id=\"145858:

Anyone knows if prog like e2k, Wits & Words, IvP, CWP etc are selected by school or by GEP branch from the GEP screening and selection tests?

Read abt HAP from old posts (2011).

For CWP, after nomination by school teachers, final selection is done by GEP department in MOE.

Reply to Does HAP still exist? on Fri, 31 Jan 2020 12:44:54 GMT

floppy — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 12:44:54 GMT

6thisnthat9\" post_id=\"1961448\" time=\"1580474413\" user_id=\"145858:

Thanks floppy for sharing.
btw, what's afaik?
floppy\" post_id=\"1961447\" time=\"1580474072\" user_id=\"97579:
[quote=6thisnthat9 post_id=1961446 time=1580471669 user_id=145858]Anyone knows if prog like e2k, Wits & Words, IvP, CWP etc are selected by school or by GEP branch from the GEP screening and selection tests?

Read abt HAP from old posts (2011).
AFAIK, students for these programmes are selected by the school. Not all schools are equipped / teachers are trained to run these programmes.

[/quote]As Far As I Know.

Reply to Does HAP still exist? on Fri, 31 Jan 2020 12:40:13 GMT

6thisnthat9 — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 12:40:13 GMT

Thanks floppy for sharing.

btw, what's afaik?

floppy\" post_id=\"1961447\" time=\"1580474072\" user_id=\"97579:
6thisnthat9\" post_id=\"1961446\" time=\"1580471669\" user_id=\"145858:
Anyone knows if prog like e2k, Wits & Words, IvP, CWP etc are selected by school or by GEP branch from the GEP screening and selection tests?

Read abt HAP from old posts (2011).
AFAIK, students for these programmes are selected by the school. Not all schools are equipped / teachers are trained to run these programmes.

Reply to Does HAP still exist? on Fri, 31 Jan 2020 12:34:32 GMT

floppy — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 12:34:32 GMT

6thisnthat9\" post_id=\"1961446\" time=\"1580471669\" user_id=\"145858:

Anyone knows if prog like e2k, Wits & Words, IvP, CWP etc are selected by school or by GEP branch from the GEP screening and selection tests?

Read abt HAP from old posts (2011).

AFAIK, students for these programmes are selected by the school. Not all schools are equipped / teachers are trained to run these programmes.