<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Apple Plus School - Discussion]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span style="color:blue">Hi All,<br /><br /><br />Anyone have heard of Apple Plus School (艺泉语言以艺术学校）in which they also conduct Abacus training?</span></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/topic/9647/apple-plus-school-discussion</link><generator>RSS for Node</generator><lastBuildDate>Sat, 09 May 2026 16:28:14 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://forum.kiasuparents.com/topic/9647.rss" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 16:31:09 GMT</pubDate><ttl>60</ttl><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Apple Plus School - Discussion on Tue, 04 Nov 2014 06:22:25 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Just to check, any mummy knows how long does it take to complete abacus lesson at Apple Plus school. What I know is the child have to completed first 8 books ( A-A  to  AH ) before going to next level…BA- BXX… when will they start multiplication and division? Pls share . TIA</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1410049</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1410049</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Searchingyou]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2014 06:22:25 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Apple Plus School - Discussion on Fri, 15 Aug 2014 04:27:57 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Thanks for the reviews here. I just saw this centre their current road show and the principal sounded quite sincere and convincing. Unfortunately it seems that it is not a well managed school from the reviews here. I had a doubt in my mind when she said the classes are small for better learning but yet there are so few classes based on their class schedule.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1361959</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1361959</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[patntee]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2014 04:27:57 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Apple Plus School - Discussion on Fri, 16 Aug 2013 17:11:21 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><b>Icebaby22:</b><blockquote style="border:1px solid black">Hi princessgx, <br /><br /><br />We signed up at the roadshow in March too. I have a pair of 3 yeArs old twins. So far they really enjoy their lessons and their teacher appears to be nice and caring. However, I find that my boys' advancement is not as fast as I would like them to be as their teacher feels that they should just enjoy and not be pushed.  After nearly 3 months( minus the long holidays that we took) , they are still not able to do simple addition.  I'm not sure if that's the standard pace or that they are too young or.... But based on other courses tat they went to ( piano, chinese and phonics), they are usually very fast learners. Not sure if we want to continue or wait till they are abut older..</blockquote></blockquote>Hi icebaby, thanks for sharing your experience. I did not go ahead with the classes after all. I still have a $50 deposit with them, which they have allowed me to transfer to other ppl. So, if anyone is keen to sign up with them, I can transfer the $50 to u at a loss. Pls pm me. Thanks.<p></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1072433</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1072433</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[princessgx]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2013 17:11:21 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Apple Plus School - Discussion on Fri, 16 Aug 2013 16:38:46 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Hi princessgx, <br /><br /><br />We signed up at the roadshow in March too. I have a pair of 3 yeArs old twins. So far they really enjoy their lessons and their teacher appears to be nice and caring. However, I find that my boys’ advancement is not as fast as I would like them to be as their teacher feels that they should just enjoy and not be pushed.  After nearly 3 months( minus the long holidays that we took) , they are still not able to do simple addition.  I’m not sure if that’s the standard pace or that they are too young or… But based on other courses tat they went to ( piano, chinese and phonics), they are usually very fast learners. Not sure if we want to continue or wait till they are abut older…</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1072415</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1072415</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Icebaby22]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2013 16:38:46 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Apple Plus School - Discussion on Sun, 30 Jun 2013 15:35:44 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Upon calling the school, I found out that there is a compulsory fee of $58 even for trial - for the two books and abacus, which is different from what I was told at the roadshow. I was told books and abacus $38, bag and uniform $50. Anw, the $58 is compulsory for trial and the top-up of $30 is compulsory upon officially signing up. Including $10 reg fee, the potential loss is $196 for a four week trial, which amounts to almost $50 per "trial lesson". Never have I encountered such an expensive trial before. Usually it’s like a cheaper rate or at least an averaged rate, with no necessity to pay registration fees and buy materials yet until confirmation.<br /><br /><br />At the roadshow, I had wanted to enrol my child at Marine Parade, but a Chinese teacher who was talking to me kept pushing me towards other branches, citing that Marine Parade was a new branch and that my son would be the only one in class. Yet today, when I enquired about Marine Parade again, I was told it was in fact closing down. So who is telling the truth?!<br /><br />I was told that the class my child wld be joining, has students who have been around for up to 3 terms. That is a HUGE disparity from a fresh beginner. I was once again told that it’s about the same because teacher will reiterate concepts at the start of the class and then the whole class progresses at different paces. I honest cannot figure out how that works when a teacher has 6 to attend to at the same time. So is she saying that the concepts learnt by a new student is same as that of one that has been there for 9 months?!<br /><br />I am adept at using the 5 bead abacus, having learnt it for 3 years before and this 9 bead abacus is totally different and much easier to use. From what I saw, the books were just filled with simple sums. So does that mean that after they have grasped the use of the abacus, they will just be practicing on their own? <br /><br />What upset me most if the that the deciding factor was to sign up for this thinking that the 5 bead abacus has been phased out, like what the teacher at the roadshow told me, only to realise it’s not true. My own fault for not doing any research before signing up.<br /><br />Having read thru the reviews, my impression of this school is even worse. Those so-called good reviews are the usual suspicious ones with a few posts in their entire history all dedicated to praising whoever they are trying to advertise. So that doesn’t help at all. The bad stories seem more convincing. Will try to find more genuine reviews online now… Or there goes my $50.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1026814</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1026814</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[princessgx]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 30 Jun 2013 15:35:44 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Apple Plus School - Discussion on Sun, 30 Jun 2013 02:50:56 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Hi all, I’ve also just signed up from the 4x abacus trial for my son after the Motherhood expo recently. I’m quite disappointed to read about certain stuff here like the competition is not really a competition but just some encouragement thing whereby all get trophies, and also that the abacus they use is their own design to be in line with the MOE math methodology. <br /><br /><br />I signed up because my son is good at Math and I wanted to let him go further in his strength such that he can excel in it. I enquired about the older abacus which I learnt when I was young - the 5 beads type used by CMA, and they told me it’s been phased out. Now, I really don’t know what much use could this course be for him.<br /><br />Anyway, one thing I found puzzling was that, I was told I could start the class "anytime". Don’t they start a new class at the same time? She said that their standard is about the same at the beginning and it wouldn’t matter. However if they are using the same books wouldn’t some have done certain pages while others haven’t? I really don’t know how they are going to conduct classes this way. <br /><br />I was also told that there is a compulsory purchase of bag and uniform, which adds up to a ridiculous $50. Obviously, such items are ugly and I dislike being forced to buy them, and for a profiteering price of $50 imposed on parents is even more annoying. <br /><br />Anyone could share if such things are compulsory and if yes, anyone who’s no longer there wants to sell their bag/uniform, pls pm me. Looking for the abacus too.<br /><br />Anyone could share more about the usefulness and relevancy for a 5 year old? I wonder if I should just forgo my $50 deposit and forget about the whole thing.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1026516</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/1026516</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[princessgx]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 30 Jun 2013 02:50:56 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Apple Plus School - Discussion on Fri, 15 Mar 2013 14:50:15 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>Hi I've just signed my boys up for their trial lessons at Tampiness branch during their road show.  After going through the forum, realized that their qualities are not the same across all their branches.<br /><br /><br />Would appreciate if anyone can feedback on their Tampiness branch.<br />TIA  <img src="https://forum.kiasuparents.com/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f604.png?v=f4f27f6278e" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--smile" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":smile:" alt="😄" /></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/970827</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/970827</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Icebaby22]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 14:50:15 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Apple Plus School - Discussion on Wed, 23 Jan 2013 05:55:24 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">which is better? My son taking up abacus at ApplePlus. thinking to change to Live cube at learning kidz. any advise?</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/944503</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/944503</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Beanbeanmum]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 05:55:24 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Apple Plus School - Discussion on Thu, 17 Jan 2013 05:09:56 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Dear Evi_76<br /><br /><br />As a single mum, I did a lot of research before I enrol my dd to any enrichment centres and would like to share my findings with you.<br /><br />CMA is using the 5 beads abacus which our little one needs to memorise formulas. Whereas the 9 beads abacus used in Apple Plus School is very "child friendly", that is, there is no formula involved. I noticed little ones as young as 3 to 4 years old are able to do their questions without any help from the teachers.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/940115</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/940115</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[single mum]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 05:09:56 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Apple Plus School - Discussion on Thu, 17 Jan 2013 04:55:58 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>Dear Parents<br /><br /><br />I have clarified with the centre manager and below are the difference between the Competition and Grading Exam.<br /><br /><b><b>Competition</b></b> <br />Objectives <br />i)    to build up student's confidence<br />ii)   enhance their interest in abacus<br />iii)  simulate their abilities to maximize their potential <br />     (hence 20 questions instead of the usual 10)<br /><br />The rules in the Competition are not so strict as the organizer wants this event to be fun and exciting for all the children (including the 3 years old). In order to make all the children happy, the organizer wants to ensure that every child gets to bring home a trophy .<br /><br /><b><b>Grading Exam</b></b><br />Objectives<br />i)  to determine the student's individual standard in Abacus and Mental<br />    (70% is the passing marks for this exam)<br />ii) Once passed, the student will get a Certificate issued by the Abacus Association in Taiwan. This certificate is recognised in more than 20 countries<br /><br />As the Certificate is recognised in more than 20 countries, all Abacus Schools must follow strictly to the rules set by the Association. If not, the Abacus Associate in Taiwan will not issue it.<br /><br />Please let me know if you need more information. I can check with the centre manager on your behalf.</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/940098</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/940098</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[single mum]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 04:55:58 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Apple Plus School - Discussion on Sun, 06 Jan 2013 15:50:05 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Hi parents, I am just wondering whether there is a difference in the abacus training in comparison w CMA abacus. Anyone can enlighten?</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/931655</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/931655</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Elvi_76]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 15:50:05 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Apple Plus School - Discussion on Mon, 24 Dec 2012 02:37:13 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">VbusyMum,<br /><br /><br />Wow the Bt Timah Shopping Centre is a very old shopping centre which very glamourous in the day’s of 80’s 7 90’s. Now seem more like a maid shopping centre. I guess that would be the reason of the poor ventilation or aircon system.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/922955</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/922955</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[titank]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2012 02:37:13 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Apple Plus School - Discussion on Sat, 22 Dec 2012 13:53:36 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><b>VbusyMum:</b><blockquote style="border:1px solid black">Just to share....I signed up for 10 days holiday abacus workshop with BTSC after positive feedback from Titank (and please do not misunderstand me, I am not upset with titank).<br /><br /><br />I had the same experience that my dd has to wait outside the centre and the air on of BT shopping centre is not on yet so really stuffy as her lesson is at 9.30am. I feel the teacher or admin staff shd be there at least 15mins before the centre opened. Also, teacher didn't turn up for 2 lessons (although they offered us to at attend the 11am lesson instead). My dd is only 4 plus so it wld be too tiring to wait for another 1.5hrs....fortunately for us, my hubby waited with my dd when the teacher of another class said my dd teacher is on the way and asked him to leave my dd there...my hubby waited for half an hour till 10am ...teacher still not here. When he pressed for an answer, the other teacher made a call and then told him that my dd teacher can't make it for class. There was another poor kid (same class as my dd) being left in the class all alone all the time....she is also v young around 3 plus. My hubby was very upset and we did not finish all the 10 lessons.  Frankly, if it was my dd being left in the class alone for 30mins, I would have lodged an official complain to the relevant authorities or MOE. I felt so sorry for that kid....<br /><br />The branch manager called me to apologize but we decided not to continue.</blockquote></blockquote>That is what we went through too, and it was hot sun outside the centre! we were so mad! I should have stopped during then, sigh!<p></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/922359</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/922359</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[kudomo3]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2012 13:53:36 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Apple Plus School - Discussion on Sat, 22 Dec 2012 13:47:24 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><b>titank:</b><blockquote style="border:1px solid black">Maybe can share which outlet that you had such a bad experiences. My DD had started off with Apple Plus somewhere in Feb 12. Right now the teacher said have to learn timetable of 2 &amp; 3 if not would be difficult to proceed. Glad that I am having the same teacher all the time. We also had went to take part the competition that was held a few months ago.<br /><br /><br />For Abacus, I would stop once they reach around P3 where it involve in Maths problems sum. After all it help in doing the addition, subtraction, multiplication &amp; divison.<br />I also noticed that not many older kids like age 10 &amp; above still doing abacus.</blockquote></blockquote>Hi titank,<br /><br />Glad that you did not encounter any of the problems that i had gone through. i dont think they are all bad, but I have more or less come to the conclusion that in the minimum the HQ has poor quality control if i give them the benefit of the doubt, otherwise they are probably full of lies and just out to get money and totally not interested in teaching. I am still waiting for their last reply to make my final conclusion. Will update again probably next week. <br /><br />For timetable, I was told by that lady that there is no need to memorise, as their method will help you to derive the answers, and after u incorporate with mental, the answer just come naturally, without the use of the abacus. I can't verify that though, as my kids have not gone to that yet! <img src="https://forum.kiasuparents.com/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f61e.png?v=f4f27f6278e" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--disappointed" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":(" alt="😞" /> <br /><br />So which centre did u go to? Looks like u have not encountered a time when the teacher is not available? The one i went to is near to shunfu. I was told that the relief teachers were sent by HQ from other centres, coming over just to teach whenever the centre teacher is not available. So far, I did not find these teachers good. <br /><br />As for this lady whom I used to talk to (but had not call back since despite telling me she will always be a friend that i can always talk to if i have any problems in future), i was told that she is principal from the BT centre. Not very sure though, as I always thought she was from HQ. Anyway, she referred me to try out at the nearest centre (to the one that my kids were going). The teacher appeared to be a lot better than the teachers i have seen, at least the way she talked, she sounded like she knew the method very well. She should be since she is the trainer for all other teachers...but then...some issues that i need to sort out first before I comment further on this teacher. <br /><br />As for the competition, did u get back the results other than the trophies? From what i gather, every kid who attended that competition gets a trophy, but no one actually know exactly how they fare in the exams. There was also no official certificate after that to indicate what standard the kids had achieved. I was just told to prepare my kids to be able to answer more than 20 sums within 4 min (or 5? cant recall) and pay $40 for each exam the teacher had assigned my kids to take part. <br /><br />Anyway, I was glad that I attended this competition and got to talk to other parents. I just don't understand how a kid who only finished 14 or 15 out of the 20 questions and can still come in FIRST. So imagine what kind of standard the rest of the kids who did not get first. And yes, I was also puzzled why I didn't see any older kids when they said the method will benefit them not just the young ones. It was this competition that sets the alarm and leads me to find out the real truth about these people. <br /><br />You need to monitor the progress of your kids closely. According to this trainer teacher, the teachers are supposed to start teaching mental when your kid finished K102, and start multiplication when at K201. I was not informed of such thing before. I tried to ask for this kind of information to decide whether to continue but none of them is willing to tell me now.<p></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/922353</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/922353</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[kudomo3]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2012 13:47:24 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Apple Plus School - Discussion on Fri, 21 Dec 2012 07:17:03 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Just to share…I signed up for 10 days holiday abacus workshop with BTSC after positive feedback from Titank (and please do not misunderstand me, I am not upset with titank).<br /><br /><br />I had the same experience that my dd has to wait outside the centre and the air on of BT shopping centre is not on yet so really stuffy as her lesson is at 9.30am. I feel the teacher or admin staff shd be there at least 15mins before the centre opened. Also, teacher didn’t turn up for 2 lessons (although they offered us to at attend the 11am lesson instead). My dd is only 4 plus so it wld be too tiring to wait for another 1.5hrs…fortunately for us, my hubby waited with my dd when the teacher of another class said my dd teacher is on the way and asked him to leave my dd there…my hubby waited for half an hour till 10am …teacher still not here. When he pressed for an answer, the other teacher made a call and then told him that my dd teacher can’t make it for class. There was another poor kid (same class as my dd) being left in the class all alone all the time…she is also v young around 3 plus. My hubby was very upset and we did not finish all the 10 lessons.  Frankly, if it was my dd being left in the class alone for 30mins, I would have lodged an official complain to the relevant authorities or MOE. I felt so sorry for that kid…<br /><br />The branch manager called me to apologize but we decided not to continue.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/921757</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/921757</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[VbusyMum]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 07:17:03 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Apple Plus School - Discussion on Thu, 20 Dec 2012 06:34:05 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Maybe can share which outlet that you had such a bad experiences. My DD had started off with Apple Plus somewhere in Feb 12. Right now the teacher said have to learn timetable of 2 &amp; 3 if not would be difficult to proceed. Glad that I am having the same teacher all the time. We also had went to take part the competition that was held a few months ago.<br /><br /><br />For Abacus, I would stop once they reach around P3 where it involve in Maths problems sum. After all it help in doing the addition, subtraction, multiplication &amp; divison.<br />I also noticed that not many older kids like age 10 &amp; above still doing abacus.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/921213</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/921213</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[titank]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 06:34:05 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Apple Plus School - Discussion on Mon, 17 Dec 2012 17:03:47 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>Hi all, just want to share my bad experiences with Apple Plus School (艺泉语言艺术学校), not trying to bad mouth but just based on my personal encounter. It could be just me being very unlucky, but if its not, then hopefully can help to alert others from falling into the same plight. <br /><br /><br />I started researching for a better abacus method late last year, after discovering that my daughter hated the conventional method. it was a chore dragging her to go to class, and there were so many formulaes to remember and homework to do. I narrowed down to 3G Abacus and Apple Plus School Monkey Abacus, it has 9 beads and formulaes were much reduced. The only difference is the color of the beads, and Monkey Abacus appeared to be more professional with proper teaching material and own trained teachers. <br /><br />I went for a trial class and my daughter said it was much easier to pick up than the conventional method. They offered me a huge promotion of 50% and so I enrolled both my kids. Then nightmare starts. <br /><br />I encountered a lot of admin problems thereafter. Just quote some vivid examples, e.g. I was informed they forgot to charge me some deposit, also the duration of class was not what as stated on my receipts, it is 1.5hr instead of 2hr. They said they were all mistakes as they are a new centre. The branch manager also gave me wrong info on how my left hander kid should use the abacus, later when I found out the correct info from their own teaching material, she said she is just a branch manager doing admin and i should direct my question to the teacher instead. <br /><br />I also realised very often we have to wait outside the school under hot sun, because the teacher is late. There is no one else in the school and so the main door is locked. They also change the teacher very often as my kids' teacher was always not available. I requested for a permanent teacher and was told the only permanent teacher will be the branch manager herself. I was not convinced based on my previous encounter with her, and I do not think an admin person (who is also actively involving in roadshows getting new students) shd be involved in full time teaching. When she is doing roadshows, another teacher comes in to teach. <br /><br />I blew up finally when we had to wait outside the locked school for more than half an hour (can't remember if it was close to an hour) and wanted to withdraw after 1st term. Then a woman from HQ (later found out that she was a principal from another branch) called to convince me that Monkey Abacus is a very good method and it will benefit both my kids tremendously, even though my elder is already in P3. Their method conforms to MOE maths and so students will not be confused when they do sums at school. Also it will help to understand problem sum much better, understand the concept of number bonding, etc. In short, they advocated that Monkey Abacus is not just about speed in counting, it's much more. The branch gave me 10% disc and assured me that there will be no more changing of teachers, and we will not have to wait outside the school under hot sun. They also said they have fired that teacher who was late as it was not her first time. <br /><br />So I continued for a few more terms. Thats when I started to notice that the teacher (also the previous 3 other relief teachers during the first term) needed to check the answers at the back of the book when marking the worksheets. They are very simple sums that I can even come up with an answer within seconds without knowing abacus. I started to wonder if Abacus really help. For speed counting, if u don't practise it regularly, u still ended up having to use a calculator or conventional way. But then I did not question since I was told the method is not just about speed counting. <br /><br />Then I realise my P3 kid maths result in school dipped after taking lessons in Apple Plus School, what they had promised obviously did not happen. I asked the teacher if there's any problem in both my kids' learning, but the answer was always positive. However, the teacher started giving my P3 some problem sums to solve during the lessons. I thought he was very helpful and reponsible. But after an internal competition the school organised in Sep, and talking to other parents, I realised my kids' progress were pretty slow as compared to students from other branches. I also found out the teacher whom they said they had fired is still teaching. I checked with my other friends who decided to go with 3G abacus and was shocked to find that one of my friend's kid, who is the same age as my younger child, and started around 6 months later, is already doing mental with 3 numbers (eg 3+2+8). My kid can only do the same but with the use of Abacus, and without it, he can't even add or subtract beyond 10. Obviously, he can't do mental. <br /><br />I questioned the branch manager and was informed she will be teaching in future as the current teacher will not be teaching anymore. I had only one lesson left with them and so requested to try out in another branch. <br /><br />That was when I was confirmed that my kids were indeed very behind. There was a P1 kid who has just gone through 4 lessons and reached similar standard as my elder P3 who had gone through abt 30 lessons! I sent an email to the HQ and demanded for explanation and questioned how they control the standards in the franchise centres, and how do they determine the progress of the kids etc. The same woman who previously convinced me to stay called and said that the branch that I went to did not conform to the policies from HQ, it was unfortunate but I should continue my kids in the new branch and they will definitely benefit from their method thereafter, since the teacher in the new branch is also the trainer for other teachers and therefore I should not have to worry. However, I can choose to stop if i still do not feel confident, but it will be very sad as that means my previous investments going down the drain. They did not provide any resolutions or answers to the questions I posted earlier. I had requested to talk to the founder, but she never once emailed or called, although I was told she is fully aware of my situation in their weekly monday meetings. <br /><br />I was not very please with this answer, imagine after investing more than $2k and the only thing they tell u is to switch to another branch? But after a few correspondences, I have come to realise that I will be wasting time if I continue to delve on this, they avoided further discussions on the branch at fault, their committments are verbal and nothing official via email. As such, I requested that they at least give me an idea what my kids will learn after one term in the new branch, this shd give me the confidence to continue to invest. I mean how confident can I get when you keep telling me how wonderful your method is and my kids will definitely benefit, there shd be at least some KPIs that I can use to measure right? The woman agreed to discuss with the teacher and revert. <br /><br />I waited for 2 weeks, there was no response. I emailed the HQ again and this time, they don't even sign the email off with a proper name, just HQ, and asked me to call the teacher in the new branch directly (no number given), and that they will offer me a 10% disc for one term in conjunction with a roadshow. This is a clear take it or leave it. The woman never call back (which she normally would each time I sent an email to HQ). <br /><br />I started researching online on this school, to see if I am the only unlucky one, and came across this website (<a href="http://www.entrepreneur2011.sg/editorial/Apple%20Plus%20School%20International%20Pte%20Ltd.php">http://www.entrepreneur2011.sg/editorial/Apple%20Plus%20School%20International%20Pte%20Ltd.php</a>), the more i read the more mad i get, especially on this part \"she understands exactly the worries of parents and disappointment of a teacher when students underachieve.\"<br /><br />I decided to tell my story so that no one else will fall into the same plight as I did. I still think the method is good if ur kid wants to learn speed counting (not so sure about the other benefits they advocate since I do not see it happen on my kids yet), but then parents should follow and monitor closely to ensure the kids are learning what they should be learning, and how qualified the teacher is. <br /><br />I still cannot decide if to stop or continue. I have emailed back asking for the teacher's contact (still no news after 4 days), and will make my final decision after talking to this teacher. All my friends said I am stupid and I should just stop, but I just cant decide. After wasting almost 1 year and money and realised my kids are not learning what they should have learnt, and now they tell u that u just need to try one more term and i will see my returns, so how???? sigh....</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/919687</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/919687</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[kudomo3]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 17:03:47 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Apple Plus School - Discussion on Tue, 30 Oct 2012 09:55:33 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p></p><blockquote><b>titank:</b><blockquote style="border:1px solid black"><span style="color:#0000BF">Yes I did signup the abacus course by Apple Plus School for my DD.<br /><br />So far I would said it really benefit in a way in which the kid enjoy the lesson.</span> :rahrah:</blockquote></blockquote>Thanks alot for your response.<p></p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/886863</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/886863</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[VbusyMum]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2012 09:55:33 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Apple Plus School - Discussion on Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:09:44 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span style="color:#0000BF">Yes I did signup the abacus course by Apple Plus School for my DD.<br /><br />So far I would said it really benefit in a way in which the kid enjoy the lesson.</span> :rahrah:</p>]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/886319</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/886319</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[titank]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:09:44 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Apple Plus School - Discussion on Sat, 20 Oct 2012 02:53:58 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Hi titank<br /><br /><br />Did you eventually sign up your kids for apple plus monkey abacus? If yes, appreciate if you can let me know if you are happy with them.  I am thinking of signing up my 4yrs old gal soon turning 5 with the main branch at BT Timah shopping centre. Thanks.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/880282</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/880282</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[VbusyMum]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2012 02:53:58 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Apple Plus School - Discussion on Mon, 08 Oct 2012 04:45:20 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">My 6yr-old son has been attending since a yr ago. He likes it because there is no numerous formula to be remembered as compared to the traditional abacus. He likes the caring teacher. My son is attending their Serangoon branch.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/871091</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/871091</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[rbert25sg]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 04:45:20 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Apple Plus School - Discussion on Fri, 05 Oct 2012 04:50:18 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">My eldest (6) has been attending abacus while my youngest (4) has been attending Chinese since last year. They love it and I can see their improvement. Especially my youngest, from hate to love Chinese. Thumb up for the teachers. Both my sons are attending their Serangoon branch.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/869062</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/869062</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[rbert25sg]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 04:50:18 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Apple Plus School - Discussion on Thu, 04 Oct 2012 09:49:00 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Hi - Does anyone have feedback on the Chinese classes offered by Appleplus? I’m wondering if I should send my children there given that they’re very new on the market. Not sure if their syllabus or teaching style is any good.<br /><br /><br />Thanks!</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/868399</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.kiasuparents.com/post/868399</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[jeannietsy]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 09:49:00 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Apple Plus School - Discussion on Thu, 04 Oct 2012 09:45:49 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Hi there - Has anyone heard of the Appleplus Monkey Abacus program? They take in kids from 2.5 years onwards. Has anyone tried the program? Would appreciate the feedback. Thanks</p>
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