Im not here to give you new updates on Nyjc results.

Wat we kn, you heard too.

Im here to get you to comment VJC dropping 3H2 A % and you yet to comment and avoid.
Why dw comment?
Speechless. Then bring your own up h/wk list.

To avoid , tell us you:
- act blur
- biased

I sign you off.

floppy\" post_id=\"1935359\" time=\"1568531007\" user_id=\"97579:

theladydatejust\" post_id=\"1935358\" time=\"1568529257\" user_id=\"181076:

You concluded VJC median RP >85, thats similiar to Nyjc.
This batch VJC graduates cop was 7/5, so wats your comment???
Nyjc cop 7/6 you said gd but not outstanding.
So VJC median smiliar to Nyjc but cop 7/5, will be no value added or no gd or not as gd as expected?\"

Why dont you comment abt this ah? Dont want say VJC not outstanding ah or?

How abt VJC dropping 3 H2 A%?
No comment ah too?
You very gd advisor. Wats up?

Another classic \"but he also what\" argument. TBH, it's getting tiresome.

\"How abt VJC dropping 3 H2 A%?\"
> This is what VJC says:
2018: 1 in 2 students scored at least 3 H2 distinctions
2017: 1 in 2 students scored at least 3 H2 distinctions (sleuthing online shows 354 / 748 or 47.3%)
2016: 1 in 2 students scored at least 3 H2 distinctions (ditto 394 / 744 or 53.0%)
2015: 1 in 2 students scored at least 3 H2 distinctions
Inconclusive.
Nevertheless, since you hoot a statement like that, I assume you have the numbers to fill in the blanks and back your claim up. Seriously, if you don't know, say don't know. It's no shame.


Now's your turn to show us your school's numbers. 6 posts already wor... nothing to share? Still waiting for the num to pop out? Doesn't reflect well of you leh. I've a much higher opinion of NYJC student.

\"So VJC median smiliar to Nyjc but cop 7/5, will be no value added or no gd or not as gd as expected?\"
Tiresome? Can see you avoid to comment on my abv statement on vjc again. Speechless.
Bet if its Nyjc instead of vjc, you sure no 1 to appear to comment.

\"How abt VJC dropping 3 H2 A%?\"
> This is what VJC says:
2018: 1 in 2 students scored at least 3 H2 distinctions\".....
Yes, thats wat vjc web site stated but not so true.
I aldry given you 44.6% for 2018.
Uncle, see the num.
Can see % dropping fr 2016-1018 ah?
So again, I asked you comment as you bo liao like to comment on schools.

I dont have num on Nyjc.
Go ask pple outside. Don sit here ksp n wait.
Whose from Nyjc?

I've a much higher opinion of NYJC student.
[/quote]
Omg, finally you sing praise for Nyjc kid. Thanks lei. Lollll

You concluded VJC median RP >85, thats similiar to Nyjc.

This batch VJC graduates cop was 7/5, so wats your comment???
Nyjc cop 7/6 you said gd but not outstanding.
So VJC median smiliar to Nyjc but cop 7/5, will be no value added or no gd or not as gd as expected?"

Why dont you comment abt this ah? Dont want say VJC not outstanding ah or?

How abt VJC dropping 3 H2 A%?
No comment ah too?
You very gd advisor. Wats up?

floppy\" post_id=\"1935355\" time=\"1568527661\" user_id=\"97579:

theladydatejust\" post_id=\"1935353\" time=\"1568526298\" user_id=\"181076:

[quote=floppy post_id=1935351 time=1568524278 user_id=97579]

\"Notwithstanding, here's the problem of using a single data point to substantiate an argument, it's meaningless. There's lies, damned lies and statistics. Until there's a further breakdown in the numbers, you can formulate any conclusion you want.\"

I'll leave it at that.

If you want to stan for NYJC, you are definitely welcome to do so. However, would be better if you show up and say why the school is better rather than fall back on a \"he also what\" argument.

\"No num shared on Nyjc doesnt mean nobody kn its rough rp wh is better. Probly you have no frds to share with you.\"
> Feel free to share the numbers - even those that you have heard and are unsubstantiated. While KSP forumers are avid number collectors and serious number crunchers, we are also not stubborn and would be willing to change our mind / opinion. Unfortunately, what we have gotten so far over the years are lots of 'tua kang' statements and hearsay from people who are supposedly ITK, and nothing else. If you don't have the numbers to back up your opinion, there's no shame in saying so.

\"You concluded VJC median RP >85, thats similiar to Nyjc.
This batch VJC graduates cop was 7/5, so wats your comment???
Nyjc cop 7/6 you said gd but not outstanding.
So VJC median smiliar to Nyjc but cop 7/5, will be no value added or no gd or not as gd as expected?\"
Reply my post lei...

Its you, living in de oldies, still waiting for num to pop out to show you.

Read again:
I conclude that VJC median RP is between 83.6 and 87.5 (and if assume a split down the middle, median RP would be slightly > 85).
You can challenge the assumption if you like, but don't obfuscate that with the conclusion.

With the exception of EJC, all of the JC are producing what it is expected to produce based on COP - nothing more, nothing less. I did said it is not a bad thing. As for EJC, I also said it could be a case of IP students pulling up the averages.

Lastly, if you want to stan for your school, by all means do so. I don't think it should be difficult for you to produce the numbers to back you up. I'm happy to wait for those numbers to pop out but I won't be holding my breath for sure. As per qms post from a couple of pages earlier:

qms\" post_id=\"1935202\" time=\"1568413482\" user_id=\"5718:

When you said non-IP JC, I suppose you were referring to NYJC? From where did you obtain information on this JC's results, in particular? Every year, you see a lot of discussion here whenever A level results are released and every year, nobody seems able to provide information on NYJC's results that enable fair comparison to other JCs.

TBF, I don't think facts differ between an oldie or a strawberry.[/quote]Now you said
\"all of the JC are producing what it is expected to produce based on COP - nothing more, nothing less.\"
Earlier post on Nyjc was \" ..... BUT not outstanding\"
Aware of wat you said next time.

If you oldies wish to wait here in KSP for JCS results, then continue to wait.
No num shared in KSP doesnt mean no news shared outside.

floppy\" post_id=\"1935351\" time=\"1568524278\" user_id=\"97579:

theladydatejust\" post_id=\"1935347\" time=\"1568523560\" user_id=\"181076:

U int in numbers, go buy 4 D.

Its obvious Im referring to VJC last 3 yrs results, derrr. So no wrong statement on my pt.

Why dont you comment abt VJC 3 H2 Dist % dropping?

You concluded VJC median RP >85, thats similiar to Nyjc.
This batch VJC graduates cop was 7/5, so wats your comment???
Nyjc cop 7/6 you said gd but not outstanding.
So VJC median smiliar to Nyjc but cop 7/5, will be no value added or no gd or not as gd as expected?

Your comment \"VJC general trend line is good\"- no justification. Nyjc,Dhs... also produced 90 pters so can use this statement too?

You want to praise, just do it. Dont praise n then throw a wet blanket at same time.
Dont be 'gu niang'.

\"Notwithstanding, here's the problem of using a single data point to substantiate an argument, it's meaningless. There's lies, damned lies and statistics. Until there's a further breakdown in the numbers, you can formulate any conclusion you want.\"

I'll leave it at that.

If you want to stan for NYJC, you are definitely welcome to do so. However, would be better if you show up and say why the school is better rather than fall back on a \"he also what\" argument.

\"No num shared on Nyjc doesnt mean nobody kn its rough rp wh is better. Probly you have no frds to share with you.\"
> Feel free to share the numbers - even those that you have heard and are unsubstantiated. While KSP forumers are avid number collectors and serious number crunchers, we are also not stubborn and would be willing to change our mind / opinion. Unfortunately, what we have gotten so far over the years are lots of 'tua kang' statements and hearsay from people who are supposedly ITK, and nothing else. If you don't have the numbers to back up your opinion, there's no shame in saying so.

\"You concluded VJC median RP >85, thats similiar to Nyjc.
This batch VJC graduates cop was 7/5, so wats your comment???
Nyjc cop 7/6 you said gd but not outstanding.
So VJC median smiliar to Nyjc but cop 7/5, will be no value added or no gd or not as gd as expected?\"
Reply my post lei...

Its you, living in de oldies, still waiting for num to pop out to show you.

floppy\" post_id=\"1935344\" time=\"1568522005\" user_id=\"97579:

edifice\" post_id=\"1935323\" time=\"1568481016\" user_id=\"181061:

Dude, IDK how u come up NY RP between 80-83. Haaha.
Only u can formulate such baseless conclusion.
It's known NY RP better.
U better spend more time to give more advice to Ejc how to close up disparity gap between IP, JAE kids.

\"Only u can formulate such baseless conclusion.\"
The baseless conclusion is called a negative skewed normal distribution. If median is 85, the mean RP would have to be left of 85. BTW, mommyNg is right that I shouldn't call them \"disingenuous\" (apologies to the choice of word) but she is also right that \"the mean can be skewed badly by a few outliers\". The challenge with NYJC is we don't know how long that tail stretches and thus, how badly the average may be affected. Considering that ACJC / TJC is in the 80s, and VJC is in the 83s, 80 to 83 is a reasonable estimate (for both NJC and NYJC).

\"It's known NY RP better.\"
It's not known. Do share if you know, most of us have been eagerly waiting for the 'known' number to change our mind. BTW, you aren't the first to stan for NYJC, and probably not the last, without being able to produce the numbers.

\"VJC is in the 83s, 80 to 83 is a reasonable estimate (for both NJC and NYJC).\"
Again baseless assumption. Dont use ACJC/TJC 80 rp for Nyjc rp range.

Dont live in dinosaur time. No num shared on Nyjc doesnt mean nobody kn its rough rp wh is better.
Probly you have no frds to share with you.

floppy\" post_id=\"1935339\" time=\"1568520961\" user_id=\"97579:

\"Mr Know All\"?
> Hardly but I look at the numbers and comment accordingly. If you want to stan for other JC, feel free to put up the numbers.

Biased towards certain JC.
> Given that I neither studied in VJC, EJC nor NYJC, no reason to like / dislike any of them. It's just the numbers that I'm interested in.

Now... \"Its obvious VJC std dropping\"
> These are VJC mean rank points over the last 5 years:
2014 (class of 2013, COP 6 / 5): 83.8
2015 (class of 2014, COP 6 / 5): 84
2016 (class of 2015, COP 6 / 5): 84.4 (n.b. VJC best performance in 10 years)
2017 (class of 2016, COP 7 / 5): 83.7
2018 (class of 2017, COP 7 / 5): 83.6 (let's fix that for ya)
\"Rp dropping yearly too\" is a factually wrong statement (unless you are only considering a narrow 3-year window).

Comparing 2018 examination results with the other 4 years:
2014: down 0.2 ppt
2015: down 0.4 ppt
2016: down 0.9 ppt
2017: down 0.1 ppt
2018 result is less than 1% drop even against 'VJC best performance in 10 years'. That's hardly a doomsday's scenario. I stand by my statement: \"VJC may have a blip in terms of their average RP last year but their general trend line is good\".

Lastly, with regard to median:
2017 (class of 2016): 2 out of 5 > 87.5
2018 (class of 2017): 2 out of 5 > 87.5
Not much shared by VJC but together with the mean RP and a negative skewed distribution, enough for us to conclude that VJC median RP is between 83.6 and 87.5 (and if you assume a split down the middle, median RP would be > 85).

U int in numbers, go buy 4 D.

Its obvious Im referring to VJC last 3 yrs results, derrr. So no wrong statement on my pt.

Why dont you comment abt VJC 3 H2 Dist % dropping?

You concluded VJC median RP >85, thats similiar to Nyjc.
This batch VJC graduates cop was 7/5, so wats your comment???
Nyjc cop 7/6 you said gd but not outstanding.
So VJC median smiliar to Nyjc but cop 7/5, will be no value added or no gd or not as gd as expected?

Your comment \"VJC general trend line is good\"- no justification. Nyjc,Dhs... also produced 90 pters so can use this statement too?

You want to praise, just do it. Dont praise n then throw a wet blanket at same time.
Dont be 'gu niang'.

floppy\" post_id=\"1935217\" time=\"1568430966\" user_id=\"97579:

edifice\" post_id=\"1935213\" time=\"1568425200\" user_id=\"181061:

Dude, if u deemed Nyjc as abv avg based on cop, then JCS VJC, NJC, EJC n lower cop JCS re only Avg JCS too.
If based on results, Nyjc RP is abv EJC ( u go find out ), then EJC is considered Avg JC too.

I've looked it up: https://www.cocotutors.com/average-rank-points-rp-of-junior-colleges-across-sg/

VJC average RP is 83.8.
VJC COP is 7 /5.

NJC median RP is 84.4*
NJC COP is 7 / 6.

NYJC median RP is 85**
NYJC COP is 7 / 6.

ACJC average RP is 80.9.
ACJC COP is 8 / 7.

EJC average RP is 82.4.
EJC COP is 9 / 9.

TJC average RP is 80 (cohort), 83 (IP)
TJC COP is 9 / 9.

*Median =/= Average. Average is always going to be lower than median for A Levels.
**Should be median not average... but I'll fix that for them.

On the premise, NYJC median RP is good, but not outstanding (I'm also generally skeptical of rounded up / down whole numbers). It is producing what it is expected to produce based on COP - nothing more, nothing less (which isn't a bad thing). EJC, on the other hand, has good reasons to be proud of itself. It's performing better than JCs with similar COP - it is punching above it's weight (but it could also be a case of IP students pulling up the averages). I see both JC as above average JC BUT given the room to grow, there's definitely more upside to EJC than NYJC in the mid / long run.

Notwithstanding, here's the problem of using a single data point to substantiate an argument, it's meaningless. There's lies, damned lies and statistics. Until there's a further breakdown in the numbers, you can formulate any conclusion you want... and you aren't the first NYJC stan trying to 'big' the JC here.

P/S: All these talk about VJC and NJC dropping out of the top rankings are premature. That said, given the general trend, there's a good case to be made for TJC not being a top JC anymore. VJC may have a blip in terms of their average RP last year but their general trend line is good, and it did produce 1 of the 4 President Scholars last year. Therefore, it could very well be a small handful of students (or even 1 student) not putting in their weight last year (pulling down the average).

P/P/S: The term \"Big 5\" used to be meaningful when there are 20 schools of similar size (18 JCs and 2 Institutes) offering A Level or equivalent. Today, there are only 19 such schools, including 2 IB schools and 2 ‘special’ schools with much smaller cohort than a typical JC.

U sound like \" Mr Know All \" + biased towards certain JC.

Why you never fix VJC actual rp to 83.6? You knew its rp but choose to act blur.

\"Nyjc Median > 85 is gd but not outstanding to u\", then which jcs are outstanding to you?
Gd is enough dont need outstanding.

\"Based on cop you said, Nyjc is producing what it is expected to produce based on COP.\"
So ACJC, VJC, NJC, TJC arent producing results as expected, right to say?
RI, HCI very gd results expected as take in cream of crop students, so nothing outstanding izit?

VJC produced 1 Pres Scholar. Well, its expected as its IP jc and potential is there.
Its obvious VJC std dropping, but come up excuses like small handful vjcian not putting in weight blr blr blr....
VJC A Level 3 H2 Distinctions:
2016( ard 50% )
2017( ard 47%)
2018( 44.6%)
Rp dropping yearly too.

You want to be advisor, first be fair and learn to earn pple's respect.