IP, IB vs A Levels
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jtoh:
Out of around the 1200 places available in RJC, about 900 are reserved for the RGS/RI students from what I've heard.
What would you define as miniscule?AWSP:
Cohort size used to be around 360 some 20-30 years ago. % wise I understand to be around 1%.
But then RJC were not all filled with RI/RGS students; at least 30% of the cohort did not go to RJC even with a 2 points affiliation. Some crossed over to HCJC/NJC and a lot did not make it. And HCJC were an even more mixed lot.
Now 40-50% of the places in RI and RGS were \"booked\" from a test conducted in P3 which screens for the top 1% at the age of 9 years old. The entire cohort in RI/RGS/HCI/NYGH remains intact from Year1 to Year6 with a minuscule number of places available for O level entrants. -
Skyed:
Out of around the 1200 places available in RJC, about 900 are reserved for the RGS/RI students from what I've heard.[/quote]The information is in
What would you define as miniscule?jtoh:
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Cohort size used to be around 360 some 20-30 years ago. % wise I understand to be around 1%.
But then RJC were not all filled with RI/RGS students; at least 30% of the cohort did not go to RJC even with a 2 points affiliation. Some crossed over to HCJC/NJC and a lot did not make it. And HCJC were an even more mixed lot.
Now 40-50% of the places in RI and RGS were \"booked\" from a test conducted in P3 which screens for the top 1% at the age of 9 years old. The entire cohort in RI/RGS/HCI/NYGH remains intact from Year1 to Year6 with a minuscule number of places available for O level entrants.
http://www.moe.gov.sg/media/forum/2011/12/more-opportunities-in-diverse-education-landscape.php
The following is the article:
The commentary, ‘The runaway IP train’ (14 Dec), noted that only some 500 places were set aside for O-level students entering Hwa Chong Institution (HCI) and RI at JC1. We would like to point out that prior to IP, only 400 of HCI and RI’s students (at JC1) hailed from schools not offering the IP today.
There are 900 places reserved for RI/RGS cohort and probably 250 additional for \"O\" levels. I suppose the same applies to HCI.
I was an HCJC alumni. I could attest to the fact that during my time 20+ year ago, it was a diverse lot. I have schoolmates from catholic high, acs, saint andrews, mgs, SJI, TKGS, VS and what have you. it was possibly 100 from Chinese High and 1000 from everywhere.
Somehow, the statement from MOE appears to contradict with my own experience. Possibly the education system has stratified a lot. But reading between the statement (in RED) it could be a \"play of words\" from MOE. We can possibly assume that before hwa chong became IP, may be another 400 could have come from the other IP schools like dunman high, river valley high, victoria, cedar, acs (maybe also SJI, catholic high, st nicholas which have just turned ip).
The affiliation effect between chinese high, nygh and HCJC could have bumpeed up the number of chinese high and nygh students to 50%. That is after my time.
So is affiliation an unfair practice? I dont know.
Is 500 good enough for the likes of TKGS, Anderson and others? I dont know.
I dont think those in the other IP schools mind not going to the premier RI and HCI. Well, we used to have the option of crossing over from raffles to hwa chong last time as hwa chong is more premier than rjc.
Some sour grapes may also say that there is around 30% in HCI an RI who shouldnt be there in year 5 and 6 - it is not fair. I dont know if this is right or wrong and I dont want to participate in any arguments over all these.
I am a peaceful person
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Why is it that if they join after psle, they are not a diverse lot? Donch they also come from different pri schools?
Why about those who stay within the 'same' school throughout, eg, from affiliated schools such as acsp/acsi, acs, acjc? Did they end up being a liability to the society? :scratchhead: -
1girl1boy:
Hmmm.... going by your analysis... if you add back the demand from those from the new ip schools who still have O level batches in 2011, 2010, the number of 500 may be too low.... at most only half of the demand.
The following is the article:
The commentary, ‘The runaway IP train’ (14 Dec), noted that only some 500 places were set aside for O-level students entering Hwa Chong Institution (HCI) and RI at JC1. We would like to point out that prior to IP, only 400 of HCI and RI’s students (at JC1) hailed from schools not offering the IP today.
But reading between the statement (in RED) it could be a \"play of words\" from MOE. We can possibly assume that before hwa chong became IP, may be another 400 could have come from the other IP schools like dunman high, river valley high, victoria, cedar, acs (maybe also SJI, catholic high, st nicholas which have just turned ip).
The affiliation effect between chinese high, nygh and HCJC could have bumpeed up the number of chinese high and nygh students to 50%. That is after my time.
I am a peaceful person
Thanks for the input. Old schoolmate?
I will also not debate on the affiliation issue - too hot to handle. But interesting that it goes clearly against the meritocracy principle of Lee Hsien Loong. Too many vested interests makes it difficult to debat rationally.
Here are 2 interesting articles from OECD research and 1 from Dr Petunia Lee on early streaming and education stratification issues:
http://www.thelittleeducationreport.com/OECD.html
http://www.oecd.org/education/preschoolandschool/39989494.pdf
http://petunialee.blogspot.sg/2012/11/singapores-royal-jelly-education.html -
Came across a news article about the IB:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/schools/why-schools-love-the-international-baccalaureate-1784352.ht -
I found a reply from University of Oxford
https://uni-of-oxford.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/549/~/what-qualification-do-oxford-prefer,-a-levels-or-the-international
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A-levels and the International Baccalaureate are both eligible qualifications for entry to our undergraduate degrees. We do not weight either of these qualifications as ‘better’ than the other, since both are eligible for entry, and all applications are considered very carefully on their individual merits.
In general, however, the IB could be considered a good grounding for multi-disciplinary Arts subjects who involve elements of many different subjects at school. On the other hand, students who wish to specialise in a particular Science at Oxford may find that the concentration of three subjects at A-level provides them more with the focus necessary for an intense subject-specific degree.
Please note these comments are intended to be general. The success rates for students applying with the IB and students applying with A-levels are broadly similar, and that the choice of qualification (as long as it is an eligible qualification as specified on our website) plays no part in the selection criteria for our courses. We would advise students to select the qualification which they feel best offers the teaching style from which they would most benefit.
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julialai:
Came across a news article about the IB:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/schools/why-schools-love-the-international-baccalaureate-1784352.ht
Hi, Julialai.
Thanks for sharing the info... but I couldn't open the link
tried on both iPhone and PC.... can you copy the text and paste here to share?
Thank you. :thankyou: -
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twilight:
Thanks Twilight!This link should work.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/schools/why-schools-love-the-international-baccalaureate-1784352.html
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When one reads this article by the Independent Post, one must bear in mind tt the UK A levels is of a much lower std than the A levels tt S’pore students sit for.
Whether to pursue IB or S’pore’s A levels (w/c is widely acknowledged by all leading unis as being v rigorous) depends on the student’s interest and talents. The A levels allows math n science inclined students to pursue these subjects at a deeper level at H3 level. At the top IP schools tt offer A levels, independent thinking and learning is also much cultivated through a myriad of schemes and courses eg philosophy, research work etc. Many of these students, being so well prepared for tertiary education, excel in the many top unis.
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